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NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Fri May 26, 2006 8:22 pm

EWR-AMS Operate "2" each day
DTW-AMS
DTW-SNN
DTW-DUB
DTW-MAN
DTW-BHX
DTW-BRU
AMS-BDL

10 A/C will get winglets/ETOPS
5635
5636
5637
5638
5644
5645
5646
5647
5648
5649

They are going to start putting on winglets DEC06.
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Fri May 26, 2006 8:33 pm

Northwest in Dublin - nice! When do the flights start?

That leaves my favourite US based airlines - United as the only major without service to Dublin - shame!

[Edited 2006-05-26 13:38:07]
 
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Fri May 26, 2006 8:34 pm

Nice, but how about substantiating the claim!

Quoting Nwab787techops (Thread starter):
AMS-BDL

This one seems a stretch IMHO - a stretch of the market that is...
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Fri May 26, 2006 8:36 pm

Quoting Nwab787techops (Thread starter):
DTW-MAN

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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Fri May 26, 2006 8:41 pm

This is excellent news:D

Quoting Nwab787techops (Thread starter):
DTW-BHX

I can't wait to fly this route  Smile

Will the AMS-EWR flight take over from NWA's A330/KLM'sA330 route?

BTW - Do you have a source for these plans, or are you from NWA  Wink

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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Fri May 26, 2006 8:42 pm

I have heard this plan, but are you sure about the a/c?
5644-5649 are Asia configured a/c and the plan is to keep 4-5 757's in Asia.
I know 5644 is returning to the mainland this week. I did hear that it would be the first to be configured with winglets and undergo flight evaluations prior to the full implementation of the 757 TALT program. More to come!

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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Fri May 26, 2006 8:57 pm

This was very similar to what I had heard also. 10 aircraft and similar plans. The only suprise on there was I heard maybe BWI-AMS.
 
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Fri May 26, 2006 9:09 pm

Too bad BOS isn't on the list.
 
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Fri May 26, 2006 9:11 pm

BDL international service was rumored through KL -- so NW makes sense given alliance. It's the right aircraft for the route, with great connections.
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Fri May 26, 2006 9:17 pm

They'll be the first with PW birds to do this huh? If this is true....
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Fri May 26, 2006 10:20 pm

Oh boy, zero IFE on a Trans-Atlantic flight. That is, however, if they don't retrofit their birds with some form of it. I'd like to hope (hope being emphasized here) that they'd want to keep their product international product consistent with their A330s and install PTVs throughout, but that's just a pipe dream at this point in time.

BTW, do you have a solid source?
 
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Fri May 26, 2006 10:47 pm

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 9):
They'll be the first with PW birds to do this huh? If this is true....

TWA flew PW birds across the pond.
 
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Fri May 26, 2006 10:53 pm

Hartford/Springfield to AMS makes a lot of sense. That airport serves a big, rich and underserved market with lots of business travelers. Great move by NW if this is true.

I remember suggesting this last time this topic was brought up.
 
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Fri May 26, 2006 11:10 pm

Boy, I dont know about this move. I am gold with NW as most of you know, but a center seat on a cramped and full 757 with little in-flight entertainment
for 7 1/2 to 9 hours(from the time you sit down to the time you get off), is not on my list of fun-on-an-airplane.
Any comments on this?
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Fri May 26, 2006 11:13 pm

Quoting Nwab787techops (Thread starter):
AMS-BDL

YEEEEEEEEES!!! Finally! trans=atlantic from BDL and its a skyteam partner! Sweet!!!
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Fri May 26, 2006 11:24 pm

Am I right in thinking that NW 757s have no IFE whatsoever? I have flown on their Airbus narrowbodies countless times which do not have IFE and seat guru claims the 757s don't either (although this source has been known to be wrong on more than a few occasions). If they don't will they install overhead monitors or something for the long TA flights? Unlike some I can live without PTVs but its always good to watch a movie or two.

Would be good to see NW in MAN although I can't see myself flying them. Would much prefer CO for my transatlantic 757 fix.
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Fri May 26, 2006 11:31 pm

NW does have the drop down moniters in some of there 757-200 but they are disabled. I am almost positive they would at the minimum hook them up.
 
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Fri May 26, 2006 11:54 pm

I would think (hope) there would be some major re-configuration of these aircraft interiors. People complain about the 757s to HNL / OGG. I flew PDX-HNL in F and it was uncomfortable, and that was only 5 hours. I can't imagine 7 hours to BRU, even in the current F on the 757. Perhaps they will have a scaled down version of their WBC product, but I would hope they would add something to the cabins to make them more appealing.
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 12:02 am

The 757 and a major codeshare hub was BDL's only shot at Intl service, Only problem is NW doesnt have a very large presence at BDL so hopefully DL will codeshare. The best scenario for BDL would have been a DL 757 to CDG since DL is # 1 there and then AF codeshares throughout europe.
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 12:05 am

Quoting NLINK (Reply 16):
NW does have the drop down moniters in some of there 757-200 but they are disabled. I am almost positive they would at the minimum hook them up.

We have the stationary overhead monitors on ships 5636-49, and the high resolutionn flatscreens on ships 5650-57. The dropdown screen are on the 5800 series 757's. The 5500 series 757's are losing their monitors altogether as evidensed by 5519 yesterday morning
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 12:10 am

What's the likelyhood of DL doing RDU- or CMH-AMS with a 757? With BDL covered, would RDU or CMH be next considering RDU, CMH, and BDL are usually done in 3's (SLC, LAX)??

Could I begin to imagine??? Should I begin to imagine?? Ohhh.. that would be GREAT!!!
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 12:14 am

I was mentioned DTW-AMS as a 757. Would NW bring back a 6:30pm flight? Or where would they place the 757 to AMS?
 
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 12:32 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 20):
What's the likelyhood of DL doing RDU-

The likelyhood of RDU to europe is slim, and definately not with a 757. To far for the 757 without a fuelstop.
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 12:39 am

Off topic, but try 10 hours in Y on a Olympic 707 with zero IFE (YUL/ATH-1973)!
 
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 12:49 am

Quoting RL757PVD:
The 757 and a major codeshare hub was BDL's only shot at Intl service, Only problem is NW doesnt have a very large presence at BDL so hopefully DL will codeshare. The best scenario for BDL would have been a DL 757 to CDG since DL is # 1 there and then AF codeshares throughout europe.

It's great to see BDL with international service, but I also think BDL-CDG on DL might work better. Still, happy to see the route, and maybe DL will follow soon.
 
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 1:05 am

It seems as though Northwest is taking a page from Continental's book here. I think it's safe to say that Continental has done well fitting part of their 757-200 fleet and taking them across the pond to lesser-traveled European destinations from their New York/Newark hub. Now, with this rumored BDL-AMS nonstop, could it be possible that Northwest might be willing to do the opposite of Northwest, i.e. taking mid-sized cities stateside across the pond to Northwest/KLM's global network in Amsterdam. Assuming a wingleted 752 can make, IND-AMS would be a shoe-in, as well as MKE-AMS. This could make for some interesting developments as far as netting transatlantic service from smaller cities.

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What's the likelyhood of DL doing RDU- or CMH-AMS with a 757? With BDL covered, would RDU or CMH be next considering RDU, CMH, and BDL are usually done in 3's (SLC, LAX)??

Could I begin to imagine??? Should I begin to imagine?? Ohhh.. that would be GREAT!!!

That would certainly be nice. However, if Delta were to do it, I would guess CDG would be a more appropriate destination. Here's hoping though. If Northwest can succeed flying BDL-AMS, it might pave the way for more mid-sized cities like RDU, CMH, IND, MKE, and others to receive transatlantic flights.
 
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 1:58 am

It will be nice to see NW at MAN.

Quoting NLINK (Reply 11):
Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 9):
They'll be the first with PW birds to do this huh? If this is true....

TWA flew PW birds across the pond.

In addition to TWA's operations, EOS currently flies PW 752s across the Atlantic, and Finnair (operating for Air Scandic from the UK) have flown PW 752s into Sanford as well.


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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 2:01 am

Quoting Nwab787techops (Thread starter):
DTW-AMS

I'm very curious if they're going to replace the A330 with the 757-200 on some AMS-DTW flights (which seems very unlikely to me) or if they're going to bring back the 5'th AMS-DTW (NW35) flight in summer '07
 
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 2:12 am

BDL must have a nice sexual relationship with NW to get AMS.

Quoting FlyCMH (Reply 25):
If Northwest can succeed flying BDL-AMS, it might pave the way for more mid-sized cities like RDU, CMH, IND, MKE, and others to receive transatlantic flights.



Good luck getting a 752 RDU,CMH,IND, and even AMS-MKE without some fuel stops or serious restrictions. I don't see how AMS-DTW is going to make it without restrictions in the winter either.

[Edited 2006-05-26 19:13:20]
 
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 2:20 am

Quoting Cs03 (Reply 23):
Off topic, but try 10 hours in Y on a Olympic 707 with zero IFE (YUL/ATH-1973)!

I did (JFK/ATH 1973). As a kid, my IFE was watching the constatntly moving air inlets on the 707's JTD-3. Somehow that kept me entertained for a while.

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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 2:32 am

Is there a link?

But this is *exactly* what NW and DL should be doing. With the DTW hub, NW has a nice jumpoff point across the pond.

DL should be doing the same thing. The 752 w/winglets and ETOPS is an ideal candidate for quite a few trans-Atlantic routes.

These are the very routes where the Pratts fuel burn advantage finally overcomes the RB211's MX advantage.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 14):
YEEEEEEEEES!!! Finally! trans=atlantic from BDL and its a skyteam partner! Sweet!!!

I would love to see this, if true...

I agree with FlyCMH that there should be quite a few mid-size cities that could would be excellent feeder markets for AMS.

Now if only LHR would build the 3rd runway? Think of how many new markets the 752 could open for BA (or whomever).

I am curious what is the limit of the effective range of the Pratt powered 752 with winglets...  scratchchin  Unfortunately, my data is too ballpark for me to trust 100%. But if DL joins in and RDU is in range...  scratchchin  I see a lot of markets opening up.

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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 2:34 am

Oh no one belived me when I told you all before! Regardless great news for NWA
 
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 2:45 am

Quoting EGNR (Reply 26):
If Northwest can succeed flying BDL-AMS, it might pave the way for more mid-sized cities like RDU, CMH, IND, MKE, and others to receive transatlantic flights.

Overall this would be a much better solution for everyone in those US cities, since connecting at a big hub in Europe vs. one in the US you don't need to do the customs/immigration claim/re-check song & dance. TXL-AMS-BDL must be a lot smoother than TXL-EWR-BDL. How much cost does the airline have, though, to support customer/immigration in a city that doesn't already have any regular scheduled international arrivals? Or is that just another tax/fee paid by the passenger?
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 3:06 am

Quoting Cs03 (Reply 23):
Off topic, but try 10 hours in Y on a Olympic 707 with zero IFE (YUL/ATH-1973)!

Or 12 hours in a CX 747 with zero IFE (HKG-LHR) in Jan this year when the system broke down!

DTW-MAN & BHX is great news - I have no problem at all with a 757 on a transatlantic leg. Even on a 747 you are in a bank of at least 3 with the same seat pitch - and at least with a 757 you have only 200 passengers to board/deplane/fight with at the baggage claim as opposed to 400!

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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 3:40 am

Last time I checked the range of the NW 757-200 I seem to remember it falling well short of the distance between DTW and AMS. For some reason I think it was in the area of 2000 miles short. I don't see winglets making up that kind of difference. And even if it can make it from IND to AMS on an 8 hour flight how will it do from AMS to IND when its 9 hours? Sorry if this doesn't make sense yet. I haven't had my first drop of caffeine Big grin
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 3:58 am

Quoting Neilalp (Reply 21):
I was mentioned DTW-AMS as a 757. Would NW bring back a 6:30pm flight? Or where would they place the 757 to AMS?

It would make sense for NW to have at least one of the AMS bound 757s connect to DTW for maintenance purposes, for sure if NW is planning to operate AMS-BDL and AMS-EWR with these same airframes. Alternatively, NW could feed both BDL and EWR with internationally configured 757s, but that would constitute a non-optimal use of available resources. It makes more sense to feed the non-hub stations BDL and EWR through AMS.
 
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 4:01 am

Do we have any PR here or is this all rumor/speculation?
 
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 4:05 am

According to this...

http://www.nwa.com/travel/trave/seatm/756int/index.shtml

The range is 2800 miles. The distance from DTW to AMS is 3930. So its 1130 miles difference. MKE and IND are going to add to that distance making it just over 4,000 miles. Would the 757-200 with winglets have that kind of range?
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 4:24 am

So then what will the 787s that NW ordered be used for? I was thinking that these route pairings would be typical for 787 type routes.
 
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 4:27 am

Winglets will look quite awesome on the Northwest 757 fleet.

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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 4:28 am

Boy, CO has got it coming from 2 Skyteam "partners".

DL has dozens of 767s to deploy on int'l routes before it even starts thinking about 757s.

BDL is long overdue for transatlantic service but LON is the primary destination.... BDL has lots of financial service related businesses.
 
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 4:39 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 37):
The range is 2800 miles. The distance from DTW to AMS is 3930. So its 1130 miles difference. MKE and IND are going to add to that distance making it just over 4,000 miles. Would the 757-200 with winglets have that kind of range?

I think NW is wrong in their stats. According to Boeing, the 752 range is 3900 miles. So to answer your question, yes the 752 would.
 
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 4:42 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 20):
What's the likelyhood of DL doing RDU- or CMH-AMS with a 757? With BDL covered, would RDU or CMH be next considering RDU, CMH, and BDL are usually done in 3's (SLC, LAX)??

Could I begin to imagine??? Should I begin to imagine?? Ohhh.. that would be GREAT!!!

RDU has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. And no, Delta is not going to fly from Raleigh to Amsterdam... Please stop trying to slant every possible thread towards your home airport when it is in no way relevant.
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 4:51 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 37):
Would the 757-200 with winglets have that kind of range?

Or, couldn't extra fuel tanks be added? I know it would cut down on cargo space, but honestly, deploying a 757 on a route isn't asking for much cargo hauling.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 38):
So then what will the 787s that NW ordered be used for?

From what I've heard, the 787s will be used on routes to Asia, especially from DTW.
 
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 5:07 am

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 41):
I think NW is wrong in their stats. According to Boeing, the 752 range is 3900 miles. So to answer your question, yes the 752 would.

Thanks. I thought the listed range seemed a bit low. But I didn't know if maybe their configuration greatly impacted the range. Wouldn't the flights be relatively low yield? Basically you'd have little or no room for cargo which is supposed to be a big plus in international service. You'd still have 2 pilots and maybe a couple fewer FAs. Wouldn't those 757's be best served in flying to lower yield domestic markets?

Doesn't NW have a bunch of A330's and 787's on order? Would they use valuable space at DTW when those other jets (especially the A330's - I know the 787's are still a few years out) are due for delivery?
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 5:24 am

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 40):
BDL is long overdue for transatlantic service but LON is the primary destination

London is a problem -- it probably has the most O&D for any medium US city getting its first trans-Atlantic, but a slot at LHR isn't worth spending on a smaller US city and LGW doesn't give as many connections to Europe, Africa, and the Middle East as one of the bigger hubs in Europe like AMS, CDG, or FRA.

The other question is whether people would prefer LHR-AMS-BDL vs. LHR-NYC or LHR-BOS with either ground transit to BDL or a post-customs connecting flight. The AMS flight might actually be the best option for London-BDL traffic.
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 5:36 am

I would much prefer LHR-AMS-BDL over the other options. Arriving at JFK or BOS at prime time would mean a long immigration/customs process followed by a long drive fighting traffic. I'd rather make a hassle-free connection in Europe then arrive at BDL with a very short stroll through customs, even if it is an hour or two longer.
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 5:37 am

Quoting Web (Reply 43):
From what I've heard, the 787s will be used on routes to Asia, especially from DTW.

The 787's ideally will be used for routes like these:
DTW-ICN
DTW-PEK
DTW-HKG
JFK/SEA/PDX-NRT
SEA-AMS
DTW-SVO
DTW-SDA
MSP-HNL

Routes that are out of range for the A333, but not able to be supported by a 744. The A332's will most likely be sold off as the 787 makes it's way into the fleet, and the A333 would be relagated to transatlantic and to some high density domestic routes. One route I could see being upgraded to a 744, is SFO-NRT.

[Edited 2006-05-26 22:41:06]
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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 5:51 am

Quoting Nwab787techops (Thread starter):
10 A/C will get winglets/ETOPS

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RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming!

Sat May 27, 2006 5:52 am

I'm thinking that NW would keep A332s and open somewhat 'thinner' routes (than their normal A333 routes) to EU with them. Something like DTW-MAD, DTW-FCO year around, MSP-CDG, maybe even MEM-CDG, DTW-PRG, DTW-MXP, DTW-ATH. And maybe even try what UA did, which is to introduce a route to Middle East.
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