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BD - MAN-Toulouse

Wed May 31, 2006 6:59 am

Is BD's MAN-Toulouse successful? It seems a rather oddball route and doesnt fit into the rest of their network. Is there a business contract supporting it (maybe Airbus?). When did the route start?

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RE: BD - MAN-Toulouse

Wed May 31, 2006 7:03 am

Quoting Humberside (Thread starter):
It seems a rather oddball route and doesnt fit into the rest of their network.

And? It's BD.  duck 
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RE: BD - MAN-Toulouse

Wed May 31, 2006 7:38 am

Yes, there's a contract with Airbus on this route - they purchase a number of seats on each flight. It also attracts a number of leisure travellers - the ERJ-145 is ideal for the route.
 
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RE: BD - MAN-Toulouse

Wed May 31, 2006 4:28 pm

MAN is close to Airbus's UK plant in Merseyside
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RE: BD - MAN-Toulouse

Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:40 am

It began in October 2002 - 1st full year of operations saw about 13,000 passengers and the following year 18,000 passengers. Don't have last years figures to hand.
 
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RE: BD - MAN-Toulouse

Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:58 am

Quoting David_itl (Reply 4):
It began in October 2002 - 1st full year of operations saw about 13,000 passengers and the following year 18,000 passengers. Don't have last years figures to hand.

Don't know the annual figures, but April 2006 was 27pc down on the previous year. We mustn't read too much into that however as Easter 2005 was in March as against April this year and that will have no doubt effetced the number of business travellers - probably lost that percentage in EADS passengers alone.

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RE: BD - MAN-Toulouse

Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:48 pm

I can assure you that it is a very popular service.
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RE: BD - MAN-Toulouse

Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:05 am

Its a perfect route for a 145 - no competition - feeding long haul services, high business traffic. Pity BMI couldn't make other wise decisions like this.
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RE: BD - MAN-Toulouse

Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:10 am

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 3):

the airbus plant is in north Wales not on merseyside
 
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RE: BD - MAN-Toulouse

Fri Jun 02, 2006 4:06 am

Quoting ScottieDog (Reply 5):
but April 2006 was 27pc down on the previous year.

Looking at the CAA figures, it shows 914 charter passengers last year with 0 charter passengers this year. The BD service grew from 1442 passengers to 1698 passengers (I make that around 28 passengers a flight.....60-70% loads or thereabouts).

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RE: BD - MAN-Toulouse

Fri Jun 02, 2006 4:09 am

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 3):
MAN is close to Airbus's UK plant in Merseyside



Quoting Gooner (Reply 8):
the airbus plant is in north Wales not on merseyside

The plant is in the county of Flintshire to be precise.
 
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RE: BD - MAN-Toulouse

Fri Jun 02, 2006 4:13 am

How is it that BD have managed to come up with a route that works?
 
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RE: BD - MAN-Toulouse

Fri Jun 02, 2006 4:21 am

Quoting Flycro (Reply 11):
How is it that BD have managed to come up with a route that works?

A route development awayday was held for all the senior managers at bmi. After lunch, they all gathered around the flipchart to play the parlour game 'pin the tail on the donkey' but using a map of Europe instead of a picture of a donkey. One by one, each of the managers put on the blindfold and pinned their 'tail' onto the map of Europe. Obviously, one of them managed to hit Toulouse.

Now, some aviation consultancies would charge a fortune for that kind of strategy development!
 
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RE: BD - MAN-Toulouse

Fri Jun 02, 2006 4:24 am

Was the MAN-TLS route once operated by a A321 of bmi, or is this during the summer months?
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RE: BD - MAN-Toulouse

Fri Jun 02, 2006 5:31 am

Quoting HS748 (Reply 10):

if you want to be really pedantic the plant is in Broughton
 
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RE: BD - MAN-Toulouse

Fri Jun 02, 2006 5:37 am

Quoting HS748 (Reply 10):
Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 3):
MAN is close to Airbus's UK plant in Merseyside



Quoting Gooner (Reply 8):
the airbus plant is in north Wales not on merseyside

The plant is in the county of Flintshire to be precise.



Quoting Gooner (Reply 14):
if you want to be really pedantic the plant is in Broughton

... which was about 2 miles from where I lived (Hough Green, Chester) for 5 months.
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RE: BD - MAN-Toulouse

Fri Jun 02, 2006 5:40 am

Quoting Gooner (Reply 14):
if you want to be really pedantic the plant is in Broughton

...and it's in which county?
 
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RE: BD - MAN-Toulouse

Fri Jun 02, 2006 5:57 am

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 2):
the ERJ-145 is ideal for the route.

I'd personally lean toward operating that route with anything by Boeing...  stirthepot 

(BD had 737s as late as 2001, IIRC, but I suspect they don't now).
 
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RE: BD - MAN-Toulouse

Fri Jun 02, 2006 6:03 am

Quoting HS748 (Reply 12):
A route development awayday was held for all the senior managers at bmi. After lunch, they all gathered around the flipchart to play the parlour game 'pin the tail on the donkey' but using a map of Europe instead of a picture of a donkey. One by one, each of the managers put on the blindfold and pinned their 'tail' onto the map of Europe. Obviously, one of them managed to hit Toulouse.

Now, some aviation consultancies would charge a fortune for that kind of strategy development!

Exactly the type of response I have come to expect from you. I applaud your consistency.
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RE: BD - MAN-Toulouse

Fri Jun 02, 2006 6:17 am

Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 17):
(BD had 737s as late as 2001, IIRC, but I suspect they don't now).

They have been transfered to bmi baby
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RE: BD - MAN-Toulouse

Fri Jun 02, 2006 7:22 am

Quoting DptMAN (Reply 13):
Was the MAN-TLS route once operated by a A321 of bmi,

Always ERJ145/ERJ135. Think the ERJ135 was typically used at the weekend.

Useless info: The only other time TLS has shown as a MAN scheduled service in the last 20 years was in 1991, when I believe Air Littoral may have flown perhaps 2 or 3 weekly during the summer using Emb120s (only around 800 passengers used the service).
 
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RE: BD - MAN-Toulouse

Sat Jun 03, 2006 5:44 am

Quoting Cainanuk (Reply 18):
Exactly the type of response I have come to expect from you. I applaud your consistency.

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RE: BD - MAN-Toulouse

Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:23 am

Quoting DptMAN (Reply 13):
Was the MAN-TLS route once operated by a A321 of bmi, or is this during the summer months?
dptMAN

It has always been the ERJ-135 / 145.
 
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RE: BD - MAN-Toulouse

Tue Jun 06, 2006 4:01 pm

Quoting DptMAN (Reply 13):
Was the MAN-TLS route once operated by a A321 of bmi, or is this during the summer months?

Never seen a BD A321 in TLS flying this route. What ever happened to Bmibaby on East Midlands-TLS. I flew that route the day they inaugurated the service which was actually flown on a BMI Fokker 100 in lieu of a Bmibaby 737?
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