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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:05 am

Does anyone expect CO to add another order for 10 787s next year?
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:07 am

Beside the 2 777's coming on line next year, does anyone anticipate that CO will order anymore 777's?
 
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:12 am

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 36):
I was told that by a V.P of Delta last week on a very full flight that DL intends to move everything widebody to international (he actually explicitly mentioned MCO). DL wants 40+% of their business to be international over the next two to three years. Take it up with him. Or look at how many more 767s are stacked up at E concourse or in maintainence at ATL.

The 752 (which are not widebodies) will continue to be used for MCO.

DL's 24 domestic 767-300s will never be moved to international service, they are not ERs which means they likely couldn't even make it over the Atlantic except to a few destinations from JFK. They are also not ETOPS equipped and are old, there's no way in hell that DL will be moving those to international service, it would be very expensive. Considering at least 2-3 if not more of the international routes will not come back next year or will be reduced, DL will likely have a few 767-300ER aircraft to reposition if needed.

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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:16 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 45):
Airlines like AA, DL and UAL if and when they order 787s will need them to replace their 20+ year old 767s and A300s. So they need them more for fleet modernization than growth, CO is using them for pure growth.

In the case of DL, they have already gotten rid of their oldest 767s (the -200s)
Maybe DL would start replacing their fleet of 28 767-300s but otherwise I would think that they would do as someone else had suggested and put the new 787 on a route that the 757 service had successfully developed and move that 757 onto a new route to develop.

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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:16 am

Quoting Tockeyhockey (Reply 25):
will the 900ER go across the pond? if so, will CO start flying it from EWR to second and third tier cities in western europe?

No, but...

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 37):
i hope they get 900ER'S. They'd like these i bet no they could convert the other few -900 orders. Move 757s to international ops.

Yes. Every 739ER they buy and run on domestic routes would free up a 752 to start or increase an international route. But they would need to have a large enough 739ER fleet to make that work, first.

Quoting CLE757 (Reply 43):
The first of the 20 Boeing 787 aircraft is scheduled for delivery in 2009, and the first additional 737NG will be scheduled for delivery in 2008.

Does anyone else read this to mean that the original 40 737NGs they have on order will now be delivered PRE-2008? Right now, they only had 6 scheduled for deliver pre-2008.
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:25 am

Quoting AirMailer (Reply 53):
Maybe DL would start replacing their fleet of 28 767-300s but otherwise I would think that they would do as someone else had suggested and put the new 787 on a route that the 757 service had successfully developed and move that 757 onto a new route to develop.

I assume you are referring to CO but you should probably edit that.
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:26 am

Quoting CB777 (Reply 51):
Beside the 2 777's coming on line next year, does anyone anticipate that CO will order anymore 777's?

I don't think for now. They are two pending for next year that should be allocated to the Shangai flight if granted. If that doesn't happen those 777 will go to Europe
 
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:32 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 47):
And throw away the hub they have spent years building? What you suggest makes sense in key business cities like NYC...But not MCO.

I respectfully disagree.

ATL is nearing it's capacity limit, the new runway is great but they don't have any new gates to go with them yet.

Think of it this way, let's say that they have 5 flights a day from STL to ATL, and that 70% of those passengers connect in ATL to MCO.
Now if they had a similar situation in MCI-ATL-MCO, and they switched only 1 flight per day from STL and MCI to be direct to MCO (say a 7 a.m. flight), that might reduce capacity enough for that 1 slot from ATL-MCO (at say 9 a.m.) to need only a 757 instead of an entire 767-400ER.
(this is just an example, I'm not factoring in time zones and stuff)

The rest of the flghts for the day from STL and MCI still go tho ATL for people to connect to MCO, but that one early morning flight of people trying to get to Disney/Universal/Sea World all get to get there even faster because they went direct.

Does that seem more plausible?
 
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:32 am

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 36):
I was told that by a V.P of Delta last week on a very full flight that DL intends to move everything widebody to international (he actually explicitly mentioned MCO). DL wants 40+% of their business to be international over the next two to three years. Take it up with him. Or look at how many more 767s are stacked up at E concourse or in maintainence at ATL.

Even if they did move every widebody intl (which they won't..see below), some of those aircraft will still do the MCO run rather than sit over at TOC ramp waiting for another intl run.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 52):
DL's 24 domestic 767-300s will never be moved to international service, they are not ERs which means they likely couldn't even make it over the Atlantic except to a few destinations from JFK. They are also not ETOPS equipped and are old, there's no way in hell that DL will be moving those to international service, it would be very expensive. Considering at least 2-3 if not more of the international routes will not come back next year or will be reduced, DL will likely have a few 767-300ER aircraft to reposition if needed.

My point exactly. The domestic 763's will always stay domestic.
 
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:38 am

Quoting AirMailer (Reply 57):
Does that seem more plausible?

No, because I seriously doubt 70% of passengers flying XXX-ATL are specifically connecting to MCO. But when you add up a small percentage of people from many, many cities arriving at ATL it can and does fill a 764.

To be fair though, I have flown Delta during Easter/Passover week when A TON of people fly NYC-FLL. I remember what seemed like 75% of my FLL-CVG flight continuing CVG-LGA. But I think that was just a special case because I imagine Delta's many NYC-FLL flights were all sold out (and they were operating a 763 LGA-FLL at this time).
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:59 am

Quoting B777ER (Reply 58):
Considering at least 2-3 if not more of the international routes will not come back next year or will be reduced

Based on the Load Factor numbers that DL just released for May I disagree.

DL did better load factors with more service to Latin America (than they did during the same period last year), and they did only slightly lower load factors to Europe on their expanded service last month.
June's numbers will definitely give us more insight than May's numbers but I think that next year DL will add more Europe and Latin America than they will take away.

Man we are way off topic!

I stick by my prediction that CO will replace 757s with 787s on international routes and redeploy the 757s to develop new international routes for the 787.
... and that DL will eventually buy the 787 and do the same.
 
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:06 am

Quoting AirMailer (Reply 60):
I stick by my prediction that CO will replace 757s with 787s on international routes and redeploy the 757s to develop new international routes for the 787.

That was my prediction in reply 27, but it's ok to share  Smile

Quoting AirMailer (Reply 60):
... and that DL will eventually buy the 787 and do the same.

Except Delta has a very large fleet of 767s that will need replacement. That doesn't leave much room for growth. CO's 767s, on the other hand, were delivered in recent years and have a long future with CO.

And besides, Delta has very limited options for flying 757s across the Atlantic. They can't make it from Atlanta and their temporary international hub at JFK has not proven effective in the longrun yet.
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:11 am

I fail to see how Delta's domestic 767 operations have any relevance to today's order to Boeing from Continental.


On topic, good to see CO expand their forthcoming 787 fleet. I always felt that a larger fleet was in the cards, but the initial order for 10 was the most CO could squeeze out during a time of greater financial problems, just to get their foot in the door, so to speak.

I'd have to believe the 737s will be predominantly -800 variants. The -900ER is a consideration, with -700s coming in a distant third. CO loves the economics of the longer 737 models, and they fit well into their capacity growth plans for the near future.
 
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:13 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 61):
That was my prediction in reply 27, but it's ok to share

I thought that I quoted you when I origionally started sharing that prediction, sorry if I didn't.
 
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:14 am

This quote from CO I found interesting

Quoting CLE757 (Reply 43):
the 787s will allow the company to replace less efficient widebody aircraft, such as the company’s 767-200 aircraft

Those 762's are pretty new, but apparantly not very efficient (high CASM).

Quoting STT757 (Reply 45):
CO 767-200s and 767-400s are 6 years old or younger, they will be around another 12-15 years at the least. These 20 787s will substantially grow CO's widebody fleet.

I gues CO disagrees, or am I reading the press-release wrong?
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:32 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 61):
And besides, Delta has very limited options for flying 757s across the Atlantic. They can't make it from Atlanta and their temporary international hub at JFK has not proven effective in the longrun yet.

We eill have to wait and see.
 
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:42 am

Quoting Kappel (Reply 64):
I gues CO disagrees, or am I reading the press-release wrong?

These second 10 788s will be able to replace the 10 762s. The first 10 will start arriving in 2009. One can assume the second ten don't start arriving until 2012, which isn't a bad time to start replacing the 762s at 12 years old, if the 762s are that less efficient.

The 788 will hold more pax than the 762 and less than the 764, and that will help CO who feels constrained on some of the 762 routes (too low capacity, not enough cargo space).
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:47 am

Anyone else thing that the 73NG order might be to help replace some of the lost XJ capacity? sure would be nice to see mainline grow at the expese of the regional fleet, might be the first time in years except for HP....
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:01 am

Quoting AA777 (Reply 1):
Wow! Congrats to CO.

Just a query - why would you congratulate an airline for ordering aircraft? Do you also congratulate Avis when they buy new cars?
 
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:02 am

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 36):
I was told that by a V.P of Delta last week on a very full flight that DL intends to move everything widebody to international (he actually explicitly mentioned MCO). DL wants 40+% of their business to be international over the next two to three years. Take it up with him. Or look at how many more 767s are stacked up at E concourse or in maintainence at ATL.

The 752 (which are not widebodies) will continue to be used for MCO.

Sounds like the Northwest way of fleet utilization.  Smile

Merger? (Just kidding)

NWA gets its first 787 in 2008.

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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:05 am

Quoting HS748 (Reply 68):
Just a query - why would you congratulate an airline for ordering aircraft? Do you also congratulate Avis when they buy new cars?

Seeing as how most US majors are in some form of bankruptcy, it is an accomplishment for CO to place a major aircraft order for growth plans.
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:06 am

Quoting HS748 (Reply 68):
Just a query - why would you congratulate an airline for ordering aircraft? Do you also congratulate Avis when they buy new cars?

Well, sure, if the car rental industry had lost dozens of billions of dollars in the previous five years. The fact that any U.S. legacy carrier is in the position to buy new aircraft and expand its operations is a minor miracle and worthy, in my mind, of congratulations.
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:06 am

Quoting HS748 (Reply 68):
Just a query - why would you congratulate an airline for ordering aircraft? Do you also congratulate Avis when they buy new cars?

Well, concidering the state of the US Airline industry over the past 5 years I think they deserve props for being in a position where the can feel comfortable ordering a/c that will start delivery a year and a half from now.... no one else except WN FL and F9 can say they've done that...
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:09 am

Quoting CB777 (Reply 51):
Beside the 2 777's coming on line next year, does anyone anticipate that CO will order anymore 777's?

I do not see cal getting any more 777's. The 787 has more range then the 777 and is half the price. I know talking to larry he would like to get rid of the 767s but i do not see this any time soon. I wonder if cal will have iah do all the 767 flying in 2010 like they did with the md80 to keep cost down. Also helps with scheduling pilots.
 
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:21 am

Quoting HS748 (Reply 68):
Just a query - why would you congratulate an airline for ordering aircraft? Do you also congratulate Avis when they buy new cars?

Because this is an Aviation Lovers Site. And we aviation freaks like to celebrate when something big happens. After all it is a 787 not a Pinto !


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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:26 am

I would expect the B 739s to replace the B 752 on high density domestic and regional routes to Mexico and the Caribbean as more B 752s eventually get reconfigured for trans-atlantic operations.

The B 788s I would expect to be the initial replacement for all of the B 762ER operated flights to Latin America and Europe from IAH and EWR which see good yields and loads especially in J class.

The B 788s too I would imagine being used to expand COs international network to the Far East, Middle East, Africa and India from EWR or IAH.
 
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:47 am

Quoting N1786b (Reply 2):
The article states they are 787-8s

Funny thing is today I was flying CO (CLE-MCO, for the InfoComm tradeshow) and flipped through the inflight magazine... in CO's fleet info was the 787-8 and a brief writeup.

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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:51 am

Quoting HS748 (Reply 68):
Just a query - why would you congratulate an airline for ordering aircraft? Do you also congratulate Avis when they buy new cars?

If they are nice new ones why not?

Quoting FlyGuyClt (Reply 74):
Quoting HS748 (Reply 68):
Just a query - why would you congratulate an airline for ordering aircraft? Do you also congratulate Avis when they buy new cars?

Because this is an Aviation Lovers Site. And we aviation freaks like to celebrate when something big happens. After all it is a 787 not a Pinto !

It's like they just announced that they are going to have a bunch of new kids!
It's exciting.

[Edited 2006-06-06 20:55:45]
 
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:00 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 70):
Seeing as how most US majors are in some form of bankruptcy, it is an accomplishment for CO to place a major aircraft order for growth plans.

Most?
  • AA: Solvent
  • CO: Solvent
  • DL: Chapter 11
  • NW: Chapter 11
  • UA: Solvent
  • US: Solvent
  • WN: Solvent
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:03 am

Quoting HS748 (Reply 68):
Just a query - why would you congratulate an airline for ordering aircraft? Do you also congratulate Avis when they buy new cars?

My neighbor congratulated me for buying a brand new Toyota.
I congratulated another neighbor for buying a Porsche.
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:16 am

Great News - I wonder if the 78's will be flown across the pond to European destinations.

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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:20 am

Quoting HS748 (Reply 68):
Just a query - why would you congratulate an airline for ordering aircraft? Do you also congratulate Avis when they buy new cars?

I like that comparison. I also don't congratulate airlines for buying things.

Quoting Saturn5 (Reply 79):
Airlines can be seen as individuals ...

Okay.

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 76):
Funny thing is today I was flying CO (CLE-MCO, for the InfoComm tradeshow) and flipped through the inflight magazine... in CO's fleet info was the 787-8 and a brief writeup.

That's been there for a year or so. They are really proud of this plane.
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:29 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 78):
Most?
AA: Solvent

CO: Solvent

DL: Chapter 11

NW: Chapter 11

UA: Solvent

US: Solvent

WN: Solvent

Truth be told. In that list only WN and AA have never filed.

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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:33 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 78):
Most?
AA: Solvent

CO: Solvent

DL: Chapter 11

NW: Chapter 11

UA: Solvent

US: Solvent

WN: Solvent

You are well aware that UA and US were recently in bankruptcy; AA came close to it.
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:01 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 70):
Seeing as how most US majors are in some form of bankruptcy, it is an accomplishment for CO to place a major aircraft order for growth plans.



Quoting RJpieces (Reply 83):
You are well aware that UA and US were recently in bankruptcy; AA came close to it.

It doesn't matter if they were in bankruptcy in the past or were near it: You stated that most of them were in bankruptcy [now], which is false.
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:20 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 84):
It doesn't matter if they were in bankruptcy in the past or were near it: You stated that most of them were in bankruptcy [now], which is false.



Quoting N328KF (Reply 84):
Seeing as how most US majors are in some form of bankruptcy, it is an accomplishment for CO to place a major aircraft order for growth plans.

Reread:

I said:Seeing as how most US majors are in some form of bankruptcy, it is an accomplishment for CO to place a major aircraft order for growth plans.

I never said "now". An airline that recently exited bankruptcy, though, does count as having been in some form of bankruptcy in my book.
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:33 am

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 29):
Does anyone here know what economy layout will CO have in their 787s? Are they going for 2-4-2 or 3-3-3?

My vote is for 2-4-2, but I think I'm in the minority. I don't like sitting so far from the windows or aisles. (That's why I love the 767)

Thanks CLE757, for posting the employee bulletin.

Quoting CLE757 (Reply 43):
...bringing to 20 the total number of 787s the company has ordered from The Boeing Company and making Continental the largest U.S. customer for Boeing’s newest widebody aircraft.

So, does anybody know what happened to the 30 from Primaris? Even if (as most on this site suspect) Primaris doesn't take up all of the hulls, they are still the largest current customer with 30 right?

Quoting CLE757 (Reply 43):
Since announcing its fleet modernization program a decade ago, Continental has reduced the number of airplane types in its fleet from nine to three

I counted four, 737, 757, 767, and 777...

Quoting CLE757 (Reply 43):
Continental Airlines, together with Continental Express and Continental Connection, has more than 3,200 daily departures throughout the Americas, Europe and Asia,

There's a big hole in Africa, does anyone know of any plans to start service to any city in Africa other than the long awaited Lagos service? Is there much of a demand for Capetown service or even Cairo or Morocco?

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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:40 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 85):
I said:Seeing as how most US majors are in some form of bankruptcy, it is an accomplishment for CO to place a major aircraft order for growth plans.

I never said "now". An airline that recently exited bankruptcy, though, does count as having been in some form of bankruptcy in my book.

The key word here is "are", as in "most US majors are in some form of bankruptcy." In actuality, most US majors are NOT in some form of bankruptcy.
 
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:43 am

Okay, Mr. Clinton, last I check the word "are" is in what we call the PRESENT TENSE.

Notice how you yourself pull the old switch-eroo, going from ARE IN to HAVING BEEN... that's present to past tense, sir. Or ma'am.

Actually, AA was in the eleventh hour, and Conti came close, too... if you believe what they say... and I do.

I believe only TWO US MAJORS ARE IN SOME FORM OF BANKRUPTCY, and that would be NW and DL.

Saying that an airline was once in bankruptcy is like saying my grandmother had cancer once... yeah, she did, but she's doing fine now.


Back on topic...
I wish the airlines could order more of these... I think they'd save Delta a bundle o' cash.
 
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:46 am

Quoting Mush (Reply 86):
I counted four, 737, 757, 767, and 777...

Mush, Continental counts the 757 and 767 as one type, since they have a common type rating, and many similar systems. I think most airlines crews their 757-767 fleets as one common aircraft.
 
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:00 am

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 88):

I do not mean to play word games. I view UA and US as counting as "some form of bankruptcy" even though they are in the post-bankruptcy period. We're not talking about a bankruptcy twenty years ago; both airlines are still in fragile territory.
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:09 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 90):
I do not mean to play word games. I view UA and US as counting as "some form of bankruptcy" even though they are in the post-bankruptcy period. We're not talking about a bankruptcy twenty years ago; both airlines are still in fragile territory.

I can potentially see that in the case of UA, but this US is not the same US that exited Chapter 11, as we all know.
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:09 am

In regards to part of the order being 900ER's, I found this post on Yahoos stock message board. Obviously it is not a confirmation , but it does seem to offer some insight regarding this matter:

http://finance.messages.yahoo.com/bb...02&tid=caib&sid=7081502&mid=112051
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:29 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 27):
I was wondering this too. My thought would be that they will put the 787 on some current 757 transatlantic runs that can use the upgraded capacity; perhaps then start some more new secondary cities with the 757s until they are retired?!

This is just a reminder about how there is no good replacement for the 757 out there....

As it appears now this is how CO's 20 787-800s will be utilized, the first 10 which start arriving in '09 will be used for new Asian flights for example.

EWR-
Taipei, Seoul, Osaka, Nagoya, Mumbai, Bangalore

IAH-
Beijing, Auckland, Sydney

The next batch of 10 787-800s would replace their 767-200s which while only 4-6 years old and with new 777 style interiors the economics of such a small widebody are not that good considering their Trans-Atlantic 757s have about the same capacity at a fraction of the 767-200s operating cost.

As for the additional 34 737s which is on top of the 40 current 737 orders Im speculating that some of them are for the 737-900ER, CO already has 12 737-900s in their fleet with 3 more on order which will probably be converted to 737-900ER orders. The 737-900s and the 757-300s will handle most of the Domestic heavy lifting while they move more of their 42 757-200s to International Routes.

The rest of the additional 737s they announced today and the 40 they already have on order will replace the 737-300s and 737-500s.

CO also has two 777-200ERs on order which are for EWR-Shanghai.
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:36 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 93):
The next batch of 10 787-800s would replace their 767-200s

An updated press release came out at 12:50P that states Continental did not state what type of 737 and 787s they ordered.
 
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:17 am

First off I find it interesting that James Wallace of the Seattle PI broke the news. He is often looked upon harshly here on this website, even though the PI has some of the best aviation reporting out there.

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 23):
UA still has some domestic wide bodies, but these are usually positiong flights between hubs to get ready for the international flights later in the day

People started arguing about Delta and ignored this wrong statement. United has 2-class domestically configured 777s and 767s. The 777s almost exclusively operate to Hawaii, while the 767-300s operate to both Hawaii and around the continental 48 states. They fly high capacity routes, which are mostly between United hubs and focus cities, but these are not positioning flights as these 2-class 767s are dedicated to two class service and do not fly international. They replaced DC10s and 742s that use to fly domestic service up until about 5 years ago.

You are right though in that United does operate some internationally configured 767s, 777s and 747s between the hubs on positioning flights as well as to increase fleet utilization. Continenetal does the same thing.
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:41 am

Quoting Mush (Reply 86):
My vote is for 2-4-2, but I think I'm in the minority. I don't like sitting so far from the windows or aisles. (That's why I love the 767)

I wish you were on the CO board. I live near IAH and fly CO often enough. IMO, it will be 3-3-3 and "rack 'em and stack 'em"....
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:54 am

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 23):
Doubtfull. The American carriers are really starting to stick to the widebodies for international only trick. Even DL has moved all of their 767s (which used to do MCO - ATL) to international. UA still has some domestic wide bodies, but these are usually positiong flights between hubs to get ready for the international flights later in the day.

I believe AA only uses 767 between JFK and LAX.

Quoting Saturn5 (Reply 79):
Quoting HS748 (Reply 68):
Just a query - why would you congratulate an airline for ordering aircraft? Do you also congratulate Avis when they buy new cars?

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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:04 am

Quoting B707Stu (Reply 97):
I believe AA only uses 767 between JFK and LAX.

ORD -LAX 1x
ORD- SFO 1x
777 on ORD- DFW 1x

JFK - MIA
JFK - SFO
JFK - DFW

DFW - SFO
777 on DFW - MIA

MIA - LAX
AB6 's on the following
MIA - JFK
MIA - MCO


Those are just some of the other routes I remeber off the top of my head where the widebodys still run within the 48 states
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RE: CO Orders 10 More 787s + 34 737s

Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:09 am

Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 98):
Those are just some of the other routes I remeber off the top of my head where the widebodys still run within the 48 states

add LAX-MIA-LAX (flight 252/283) 763 to the mix... Smile
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