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Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:04 am

A friend of mine who works at JetBlue says that JetBlue is going to announce service from JFK-GYY soon.

Can anyone confirm this? I think that this would be an awesome addition to JetBlue's route map. It's close to Chicago, and they would be the only carrier in the airport. It would have a major advantage to ORD/MDW because they wouldn't be affected by ATC delays, etc.

http://www.garychicagoairport.com/default.asp
http://www.garychicagoairport.com/fast_facts2006.pdf

Chicago is the one major city that I'd love to see JetBlue add service to. And, I think some people (including myself) would be happy to see them in GYY.

I hope someone has more information on this....

Rob
 
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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:13 am

Quoting InTheSky74 (Thread starter):
Can anyone confirm this?

Get serious. Jetblue flies to high density markets. Gary can't support any flights to anywhere.

No way. Never gonna happen. (and yes, I have a crystal ball)
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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:29 am

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 1):
Get serious. Jetblue flies to high density markets. Gary can't support any flights to anywhere.

No way. Never gonna happen. (and yes, I have a crystal ball)

Have to agree here as well. Though no crystal ball as of yet.
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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:38 am

I have to admit I don't entirely understand why GYY hasn't caught on a little better than it has - it's only 8 miles further from downtown Chicago than ORD is.

On the other hand, ORD has a rail connection to downtown and GYY doesn't.

If Southwest was just starting up service to Chicago today and they couldn't get space at MDW, I suspect they'd take a good, long look at GYY, perhaps a GYY/MKE bracket strategy. But they have MDW, so does AirTran, and JetBlue's made it pretty clear that they want ORD.

I'd say someone like Allegiant would be GYY's best shot, but G4's already in South Bend, so I'm not so sure GYY would be that attractive.
 
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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:41 am

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 3):
I have to admit I don't entirely understand why GYY hasn't caught on a little better than it has - it's only 8 miles further from downtown Chicago than ORD is.

Have you been to GYY? If so you would not be asking the question.
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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:41 am

Believe it or not, I would not be surprised. This could very well work out if B6 plays its cards correctly, aka lots and lots of marketing.

Look how well LGB is doing for B6. Could GYY be the next LGB (without slots!)?

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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:44 am

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 1):
Get serious. Jetblue flies to high density markets. Gary can't support any flights to anywhere.

You are absolutly right! Gary alone cannot support flights. However, you overlooked one slight detail. Pax also come from outside the home city of a airport. There are 1.5 million people within a 30 minute drive time of GYY. The Chicago Loop is 35 minutes during the day and the actual city limits of Chicago are less than 5 miles from GYY.
 
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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:44 am

I would personally take JetBlue to GYY if I were going to Chicago... I'm sure that it would be quicker and easier than going to ORD!

Rob
 
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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:50 am

Quoting BravoGolf (Reply 6):
There are 1.5 million people within a 30 minute drive time of GYY.

While this is true... think of the population that is ~30 minutes from MDW or ORD. Also think of the major corporate operations within a 30 minute drive of MDW or ORD. Also think of the socio-economic demographics of those folks within a 30 minute drive of MDW or ORD. Then you will see why nobody is flying into GYY as of yet.
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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:53 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 4):

Have you been to GYY? If so you would not be asking the question.

Sir. exactly what did you find so distressing about GYY. Have you actually been to GYY or are you stating that if it is Gary it must not be good?

For ExFATboy

The South Shore interurban railroad runs right by GYY into the loop. Its east end is at SBN.
 
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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:55 am

Quoting BravoGolf (Reply 9):
Sir. exactly what did you find so distressing about GYY. Have you actually been to GYY or are you stating that if it is Gary it must not be good?

Yes I have! Thank you.
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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:01 am

DesertJets

I did not say that GYY was going to replace ORD or MDW but will compliment each other. This is the reason that Mayor Daley pushed for the Chicago Gary Regional Airport Authority in April of 1995. Also please do check the demographics as you appearently have not. Also there is this little airplane outfit called Boeing that bases their corporate fleet at GYY.
 
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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:07 am

There was a thread about this not to long ago.

Delta and JetBlue at GYY?

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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:09 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 10):

Yes I have! Thank you.

Good. You have been to GYY. When? You still didn't state what you found so distressing.
 
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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:11 am

One thing to remember, who would have thought that JetBlue would have chosen LGB over LAX?
 
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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:13 am

Quoting BravoGolf (Reply 13):
Good. You have been to GYY. When? You still didn't state what you found so distressing.

The only good thing I can find for GYY is it is close to Chicago!
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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:20 am

The city of Gary is pretty bad - no, I have not seen the airport - only responding here because none of the airport people at Gary have responded, so I guess, until further notice. we have to make the assumption that the airport is just as bad as the city
 
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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:27 am

Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 16):
The city of Gary is pretty bad - no, I have not seen the airport - only responding here because none of the airport people at Gary have responded, so I guess, until further notice. we have to make the assumption that the airport is just as bad as the city

And what gives you the idea that no one from GYY has responded? Please also be aware that there are nice areas in Gary and they are all not like the distressed central city that you may have seen on TV.
 
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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:28 am

I can see a GYY Midwest focus city happening soon for B6. But, then again, I used to live in Northwest Indiana before moving to the FWA area, so I'm a bit biased.

Paul Karas (GYY's director) said a few months ago to WBBM-TV (the Chicago CBS affiliate) after Hooters Air went bust that "by summer, we'll announce a new carrier that's far bigger than previous ones and will have a product that people will love." Sounds an awful lot like B6...

Anyhoo, I could see B6 starting with 5x daily to JFK, 2x to BOS, IAD, and MCO, and possibly a flight to LGB or BUR. Most of the flights would probably be E190s (with some A320s mixed in).

P.S.: JetBlue has also been approached many times by the people who want the south suburban airport (Peotone) built. However, B6 will not commit to it, as Neeleman calls the proposed airport "a pipe dream" that "will not be built".
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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:34 am

Quoting BravoGolf (Reply 17):
Please also be aware that there are nice areas in Gary and they are all not like the distressed central city that you may have seen on TV.

And there are also nice areas in Northwest Indiana as a whole. In Lake County, Schererville, Munster, and Highland are experiencing rapid growth as affordable, safe, and good alternatives to the higher-priced Chicago suburbs. Same goes for Valparaiso, Chesterton, and Portage in Porter County. For example, you could get a custom home in Northwest Indiana for the same price as Pulte Homes or the like will sell you a model plan home on the other side of the state line.

Don't forget that GYY itself is in one of the safest areas of the city (near the Majestic Star casino).
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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:35 am

Quoting BravoGolf (Reply 9):
Sir. exactly what did you find so distressing about GYY. Have you actually been to GYY or are you stating that if it is Gary it must not be good?

Ill spell it out for you since Ive lived in Chicago for over a decade.

GYY is in the WORST possible position in Chicago Metro area. Several factors.

1. The amount of people who take the South Shore railroad is almost nonexistant in the grandscale of things.
2. The major corporate centers are the loop, and the North and Northwest suburbs (where I live, Schaumburg) we are talking about Allstate, United Airlines, Motorola, McDonald's, Wal-greens, former BankOne offices etc etc. The biggest amount of traffic generated for ORD comes from these Northern suburbs along with West and far SW suburbs (such as Orland Park).
3. Getting to GYY is a hassle and a half. What you dont understand (which I find surprising if you live in Metro Chicago) is that getting to downtown from ORD is a straight shot down I-90 (which sees traffic jams but is almost never in construction) or I-290/I-90 interchange in Hoffman Estates/Schaumburg to downtown which again is a breeze. I-94/and I-90 just south of downtown Chicago is a hellhole that often takes 1.5-2hrs to get to Indiana.
4. Neighborhood of GYY, It speaks for itself, and yes, I have been there many times.
5. Connections, ORD offers such a powerload of connections that airports farther away like MSN, STL, MKE suffer. MDW covers domestic LCC flights in the same category.

Quoting BravoGolf (Reply 13):
Good. You have been to GYY. When? You still didn't state what you found so distressing.

Man, it sucks....all the way from Stony Island Road to the Port of Hammond (and the BP/Citgo oil storages to the casinos) all the way down to the city hall of Gary. Eternal construction, eternal garbage, and eternal fields of uncut open fields filled with junk.

Quoting BravoGolf (Reply 11):
Also there is this little airplane outfit called Boeing that bases their corporate fleet at GYY.

Which is about all that there is..GYY has a higher turnover rate than RFD and that is saying alot...look at Pan-Am, Casino Express, Hooters Air etc etc.

Quoting BravoGolf (Reply 11):
Also please do check the demographics as you appearently have not.

Go look at the demographics of Schaumburg, Hoffman Estates, Oakbrook, Winnetka, Highland Park, Palatine, Barrington, S. Barrington, Elk Grove Village, The loop, Palatine, Roselle, Orland Park, Arlington hts and then compare them to Hammond, Chicago Heights, Gary, S. Chicago.
 
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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:36 am

To quote - 'the distressed central city that i've seen on tv" if one that i have visited - an elderly relative lives there , and this is her 'home', so she will not leave. In the meantime, driving to and from her apartment is treacherous - no matter what route I take. I have yet to see a 'friendly part of Gary"
 
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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:38 am

Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 21):
To quote - 'the distressed central city that i've seen on tv" if one that i have visited - an elderly relative lives there , and this is her 'home', so she will not leave. In the meantime, driving to and from her apartment is treacherous - no matter what route I take. I have yet to see a 'friendly part of Gary"

Anyone that drives Chicago's toll roads (and the few free ones (I-290)) knows that Downtown-GYY time is 1 hour when downtown-ORD time on I-90 is more like 30 minutes with express lanes.
 
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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:49 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 20):
GYY has a higher turnover rate than RFD and that is saying alot...look at Pan-Am, Casino Express, Hooters Air etc etc.

The fact of the matter is that passengers loved flying out of GYY and that the GYY routes were some of the best performers of the airlines that did business there... most of the flights were profitable and had 90%+ load factors. It's just that the airlines that served GYY in the past all had very deep troubles elsewhere that had a ripple effect on their entire operations.

Compared to the troubles of Pan Am III/Southeast/Hooters/etc., B6's current troubles are nothing. Even better, Neeleman and the gang are working to fix them ASAP before they get worse.
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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:54 am

It is a nice idea but I don't see it now, but down the line if they fail to get into ORD after years but they should soon enough. Nice idea but not just now.

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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:08 pm

Quoting BravoGolf (Reply 9):
Sir. exactly what did you find so distressing about GYY. Have you actually been to GYY or are you stating that if it is Gary it must not be good?

Seriously, Gary is a depressing dump if I've ever seen (and been to) one. The only redeeming qualities are a minor league baseball stadium and a handful of casinos. The commute to Chicago is not as easy as it appears; the Skyway is almost always under construction. I've driven by GYY enough (and seen its website) to think that it's not a "major league" airport just yet. The terminal is puny and doesn't seem large enough to handle regular traffic. B6 would be taking a risk to say the least but I'll give 'em credit for at least trying. Someone has to stay at GYY!

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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:16 pm

I guess I'd have to go to GYY to see what it is like. It doesn't sound too pretty.... What is RFD like?

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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:42 pm

Quoting InTheSky74 (Reply 7):
I would personally take JetBlue to GYY if I were going to Chicago... I'm sure that it would be quicker and easier than going to ORD!

Quicker and easier? Even on a bad day the Kennedy or the Blue line would be much faster than the Skyway to the Dan Ryan. As for public transportation, first you have to get from GYY to the South Shore. Then weather you get to Gary, East Chicago or Hammond (all lousy neighborhoods) the South Shore only runs about once an hour then dumps you at the least convenient train stations downtown. As for South Bend, only a hand full actually go all the way. Most only go as far as Gary or Michigan City.

Quoting BravoGolf (Reply 9):
The South Shore interurban railroad runs right by GYY into the loop. Its east end is at SBN.

See above
 
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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:49 pm

Whether B6 happens at GYY or not, I think it is only a matter of time before someone with some deeper pockets than PanAm gives it a go. There doesn't seem to be much way for anyone to establish a strong presence in the Chicago market without using GYY.

Saying "No way" doesn't seem convincing enough with those on A.net.

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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:47 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 20):
3. Getting to GYY is a hassle and a half. What you dont understand (which I find surprising if you live in Metro Chicago) is that getting to downtown from ORD is a straight shot down I-90 (which sees traffic jams but is almost never in construction) or I-290/I-90 interchange in Hoffman Estates/Schaumburg to downtown which again is a breeze. I-94/and I-90 just south of downtown Chicago is a hellhole that often takes 1.5-2hrs to get to Indiana.

There's an additional problem with this. As those of us living in Chicago at present know, the trifecta of the Dan Ryan (Interstate 90/94 on the South side), the Skyway (Interstate 90, goes right by Gary), and the Kingery/Borman (Interstate 80/94, the other way to Gary) are all under construction and will be until late 2007. At present, there's just no good way to get to Gary. It can be 35 minutes from downtown, but it can also be 2 hours. I would not look for B6 (or another new entrant) until late 2007 at the earliest, when driving to northwest Indiana becomes somewhat possible again.

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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:02 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 29):
I would not look for B6 (or another new entrant) until late 2007 at the earliest, when driving to northwest Indiana becomes somewhat possible again.

That may well be true, and I could see the access issues affecting someone entering the market in the nearterm. Once out of the way, though, and short of a Peotone solution (or a Maglev to Rockford  Smile), GYY seems well situated for a niche hub.

Again, and yes this is somewhat directed at the WN guys, it is always interesting when an airport like GYY or RFD get's brought up that it's "Oh that ugly place, what a horrible city, who'd drive there, etc.". I just have to laugh - wasn't this how WN began? Flying to [some] second and third tier airports that others shunned?

Just in the last year or so I think WN has turned the corner into "legacy" status, at least from my perspective. Big city airports, largest domestic carrier, ATA codeshare, potential seat assignments, etc. I have nothing against any of that, but they just seem to have adopted some of the UA/AA/DL big-airline-attitude, where the likes of an Allegiant Air or GYY airport are something to sneer at.

Funny.

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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:16 pm

It is definitely possible. I think its a rumor, but I wouldnt be surprised if it happened sooner or later. I know that RFD and GYY have had discussions with Jetblue for a while now. GYY is also using Mike Boyd, I read in some article, and he said they will get Jetblue or Delta. RFD is trying to convince Jetblue with the 90% load factors on flights to DEN on UAX 2 a day. There is no reason why Jetblue wouldn't give either airport a try with an E190 now and then once ORD opens up, they can move there. Also, my only concern with GYY is their runways. I know they are in the process of enlarging them, but that won't be completed until the end of '07. I'm sure once their runways are longer, Allegiant will provide service. That would be great for them to get Delta to ATL though.
 
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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:18 pm

Quoting Nopeotone (Reply 31):
Also, my only concern with GYY is their runways. I know they are in the process of enlarging them, but that won't be completed until the end of '07.

12/30 is currently 7000x150. That should be plenty for any narrowbody.
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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:26 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 32):
12/30 is currently 7000x150. That should be plenty for any narrowbody.

I think that the railroad track at one end creates an artificial obstacle of an additional 25 feet to clear, as a train could pass while an aircraft is taking off. As a result, the useful length of the runway is slightly less.

Open to corrections on that one, though.

Quoting Nopeotone (Reply 31):
I'm sure once their runways are longer, Allegiant will provide service.

That'd be great!

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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:37 pm

Quoting InTheSky74 (Reply 26):
What is RFD like?

I haven't been to the airport but there are a couple of trip reports floating around that seem to suggest it's fine. The city used to be a dump until about 10-12 years ago but is really making headway in terms of light industry and technology. Gary is what happens when a city becomes completely dependant on one industry (steel), only to have the industry collapse. If I had to pick between the two, I'd pick RFD in a second. Yes, it's about 90 miles from Chicago but the drive moves quickly while the scenery (if there is such a thing) is infinitely better than staring at rusting steel mills and burned out mid-rise buildings. I've read that the city of Gary is desperately trying to entice business back into the area but it doesn't seem like it's worked. Sad but true. If B6 is really that desperate to get into the Chicago market, they'd be better off with RFD. If they exhibit some patience, they may just get a gate or two at ORD.

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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:41 pm

I for one think it might just happen...
think about it.. this side of the pond (im currently on the british side)
we have airlines such as Ryanair and co who have made a profit from flying routes that would be UNHEARD of 10 ..no wait.. 5 years ago !!
And do they work ? Damn straight they do ...

If B6 start GYY someone will fly the route, they might not be big execs in downtown Chicago but there will be cheeks on seats. Now whether they make money on the proposed routes is a different matter... I dont know if an Embraer can make the distance between JFK and GYY but if it can Im thinking it might be more profitable than an Airbus.

Id fly the route thats for sure, Im fed up of flying into JFK and travelling to LGA to use NK (tho I do like NK)

Oh and just an interesting side thought... what on earth is up with all the B6 threads.. I counted 6 or 7 this morning in one form or another just on civ.av !!
hahaha Dont get me wrong I lurve B6 but is there any other airline as discussed as B6 is ??

Ok love to ya all !
Enjoy the Sun !

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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:41 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 33):
I think that the railroad track at one end creates an artificial obstacle of an additional 25 feet to clear, as a train could pass while an aircraft is taking off. As a result, the useful length of the runway is slightly less.

You're right- I'd forgotten about that. Still, it shouldn't be an impediment for B6, although it might be for G4 (to LAS; SFB would probably be OK).
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RE: Jetblue To GYY (Gary/Chicago Airport) Soon?

Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:55 am

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 5):
Look how well LGB is doing for B6. Could GYY be the next LGB (without slots!)?

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FWIW, my brother LOVES the B6 setup at LGB.

he won't fly to LAX if he can find a flight at LGB.

maybe they can put something as good together at GYY.

(Full disclosure, I've never gone through LGB, only LAX.)

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Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos