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Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 3:57 am

Okay -- here's the text of the deal:

Wright Amendment Deal

News conference is finishing up at DFW right now.
Let's post quotes and public reaction as it becomes available.

Let the comments begin...
 
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:01 am

Here's WN's statement quoting the always charismatic Herb:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060615/dath037.html?.v=49
 
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:04 am

Paragraph 6 of the statement:

...a spaceport?


Lofty plans in the Metroplex, eh?
 
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:09 am

Southwest is in direct competition with my airline but I think that the Wrong amendment is BS this is not free enterprise This is the United States ladies and Germs let companies do biz head to head dog eat dog. That is what free enterprise means.
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:10 am

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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:12 am

I would ahve though WN would have been able to do better than 8 years on the perimeter flight moratorium.

ABQ, MCI, STL, LIT, HOU, MSY, BHM should all benefit nicely from this agreemnt for the next 8 years.
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:13 am

It's about time that the sides agree to something. There's still some little bs restrictions in the agreement but something quick had to be done.

Now hopefully the July and especially the December deadlines are met!

I recommend reading the PR response from Herb, quite funny!
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:13 am

It's good to see a deal being reached between WN and AA. I'm printing out the terms right now, and so far, I think that it's a good deal for both sides. I'll have to read it further, though.

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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:22 am

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 7):


I think that it's a good deal for both sides.

If by both sides you mean AA and WN, yes. They each gave up some and got some, but the rest of the industry is virtually locked out of DAL (save CO, which is there already).

The limit on gates should have been in within the Love Field Master Plan. 32 gates total. 16 for WN, 2 for AA and 2 for CO, with 12 gates left open for other carriers.

In essence, 3 airlines get basically exclusive rights to DAL (the provisions about space being made for new entrants and Love Field officials not lobbying for new carriers notwithstanding).

So, 3 TEXAS corporations have thier own private airport, in Texas. Congress should shoot this down ASAP, unless other carriers are allowed similar free-market-killing provisions in thier home states, or hub markets.

I've been in favor of Wright repeal, but this "compromise" stinks to high heaven, unless of course you're a Texas based carrier.

"Texas, it's like a whole other country". If this goes through they might as well be.
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:41 am

Okay, so I have a question:

Can WN do a Milk-Run flight BNA-BHM-DAL once Congress acts? I know that they can do a BNA-BHM/BHM-DAL as a single ticket, but what about 1-stop flights?
 
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:44 am

What isn't mentioned is how the City of Dallas will be forced to fork out piles of cash (100M was the last estimate) to purchase and demolish the old Legend terminal. What a freaking waste as that terminal is 10X nicer than the one that is being proposed for a 200M facelift.

This is very foolish, although not surprising considering how worthless the Dallas City Council are at planning/organizing anything. The idea of dumping 300 million on purchasing/demolishing/refurbishiments all the while reducing capacity to the point of allowing zero room for any new entrants just projects short-sightedness and a lack of knowing anything about the airline/airport world.

[Edited 2006-06-15 22:04:31]
 
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:46 am

Quoting BNAtraveler (Reply 9):
Can WN do a Milk-Run flight BNA-BHM-DAL once Congress acts? I know that they can do a BNA-BHM/BHM-DAL as a single ticket, but what about 1-stop flights?

Yes. But not until that part is phased out.

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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:51 am

I am a little confused ... I don't know much about the ins and outs of how things work with legislation in the US but it does seem odd to me that 2 airlines and a city can make an agreement to repeal a Federal law ? Does this agreement actually have any validity ?
 
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:53 am



I still don't understand the significance of the 8-year time frame. Like OPNL asked awhile back...why not 4 years? Or 17? It seems completely arbitrary.




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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:54 am

BNA-LIT-DAL would probably go even better since its more direct.

Some possible new city pairs:
BNA-LIT
PVD-STL
BHM-DAL
ABQ-SJC
ABQ-SMF
ABQ-RNO
PHL-BHM or PHL-LIT
OKC-MDW
TUL-MDW

Increased service:
LIT-MDW
LIT-BWI
ABQ- All west Existing...main west gateway
MSY could get more previous flights restored.
STL - huge increases as the main gateway north
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:55 am

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 12):
I am a little confused ... I don't know much about the ins and outs of how things work with legislation in the US but it does seem odd to me that 2 airlines and a city can make an agreement to repeal a Federal law ? Does this agreement actually have any validity ?

No. Congress needs to pass the law. But the theory is that if all the stakeholders agree, why should Congress not follow their recommendation?
(although some people think that WN is going to lobby hard to stop this on Congress, while keeping the appearance in the metroplex that they're okay with it).

What I want to know is will WN stop their advertisements appearing the NBA finals games as early as tonight, now that the PR campaigns appear to be over?
 
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:59 am

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 11):
Quoting BNAtraveler (Reply 9):
Can WN do a Milk-Run flight BNA-BHM-DAL once Congress acts? I know that they can do a BNA-BHM/BHM-DAL as a single ticket, but what about 1-stop flights?

Yes. But not until that part is phased out.

Knowing WN, I'll bet (and honestly hope  Wink) you're wrong. That is a thru-flight, not a n/s flight.
 
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:02 am

Interesting, I also notice it says nothing about Alliance, Meecham & cargo. Now the question is, will the rest of Congress go for this? Did I read it correctly that if Congress simply repeals the WA, WN has to give up 8 gates?
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:03 am

I admit that after reading about WN its history and the WA, I have been a supporter of the WN.
After reading the press release, I have this feeling that I wish the US Congress makes some significant change to render this deal invalid. I think it's
bad for both sides WN and AA, WN more so.

When I read the 8 year phase out the first thing that came to mind was that in 8 years time - 2014 - something will come up or be made to come up which will result in the closure of DAL. From AA's point, if they will get it closed in 8 years time why not now?

Whats with all construction, retirement and re-issuance of new bonds, all intended to raise the cost of doing business at DAL. Significantly redevelop
DLF with the updated master plan, the original called for what 32gates, the new is now 20 with new terminals? If all the existing gate are remaining with the incumbents, whose the new terminals and infrastructure for? Would congress go along with no gates initially being set aside for non-imcumbents?

If the local's within North Texas are happy with it then I will have to support them, to WN my suggestion would be to start a 8 year plan to move.
 
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:05 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 5):
I would ahve though WN would have been able to do better than 8 years on the perimeter flight moratorium.

ABQ, MCI, STL, LIT, HOU, MSY, BHM should all benefit nicely from this agreemnt for the next 8 years.

They never have started BHM for some reason.
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:12 am

There was a article in the St. Louis Post which talked with Gary Kelly and he stated that if the wright is repealed that STL would stand to benefit the most. Here is a link to the article: http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/bus...587418625717A000B8419?OpenDocument

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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:23 am

So to sum up:

  • Through ticketing will be allowed immediately (provided that the legislation is enacted)

  • Non-stop flights beyond WA states will be allowed 8 years from the day the legislation is signed into law.

  • DAL will be gate-capped at 20.

  • The City of Dallas will create a voluntary noise curfew between 11pm and 6am, and redevelop/demolish certain parts of Love Field.

  • Dallas and Ft. Worth will both try to undermine any new commercial service that could start at an airport other than DAL or DFW, which does not include 135 operations or "spacesport" facilities.

  • No modifiction unless agreed upon by all parties involved

  • If WN or AA try to start service at an airport within 80 miles of DAL, they will forfeit DAL gates equivalent to the amount of gates carried at said other airport.

  • If Congress passes legislation against the wishes of the parties involved, AND WN starts flying to non WA states non-stop, they will relinquish 8 DAL gates back to the city of Dallas for their use.

  • Unless legislation is enacted before 12/31/06, agreement is void unless sides agree to extension.

  • AA/WN leases renewed to 2028.


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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:27 am

Quoting Stl1326 (Reply 20):
There was a article in the St. Louis Post which talked with Herb and he stated that if the wright is repealed that STL would stand to benefit the most. I can't seem to find it though. Maybe some of the STL folks can help me out.

this one.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ema...d=A23037EFA54C9B118625717A0048EA8C
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:28 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 17):
Did I read it correctly that if Congress simply repeals the WA, WN has to give up 8 gates?

You read it incorrectly. If Congress repeals the Wright Amendment (or modifies it further than envisioned in this agreement) and Southwest commences service to an airport outside the current Wright Perimeter, only then would they be forced to relinquish gates. However, if there were a full repeal immediately but Southwest only chose to take advantage of it after eight years (when the agreement's sunset provision expires) at that point Congress's action would be "consistent" with the terms of the agreement and Southwest would be able to keep its gates.

Interestingly, the terms of this agreement would also appear to preclude American from beginning 56-seat-or-less service (currently permitted) to states outside the Wright Perimeter, lest they lose 1.5 gates of the two they have leased.

The structuring of this agreement appears to be intended to make DAL continue to be unattractive to other airlines for the next eight years. Note that WN, AA, and CO are required to share gates if they are needed by new entrants. However, given that no other airline currently operates a hub or focus city (with the possible exception of the tiny UA Express/Trans States operation at SAT or YX's focus city at MCI) within the Wright Perimeter, it seems unlikely that additional airlines would show interest in service at DAL for the next eight years.

Cjpark is going to be really, really, really ticked-off given that the agreement is also intended to discourage Southwest service at DFW; in the event that they start service at DFW, they would be forced to give up one DAL gate for each gate at DFW -- up to eight. I find it very curious that DFW Airport has agreed to a provision which essentially precludes WN service at DFW through 2025 given their professed interest in having Southwest fly out of DFW. Very, very, very curious indeed.
 
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:32 am

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 22):
this one.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ema...8EA8C

After I posted I could find it, I end up finding the article. Thanks for looking.
 
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:39 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 23):
I find it very curious that DFW Airport has agreed to a provision which essentially precludes WN service at DFW through 2025 given their professed interest in having Southwest fly out of DFW. Very, very, very curious indeed.

I agree. I originally thought this was for every airport EXCEPT DAL and DFW (like the AA clause), but apparently not.

I guess they are going to have to re-paint all the courtesy buses at DFW that have "Southwest @ DFW" painted on the outside...
 
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:39 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 23):
Cjpark is going to be really, really, really ticked-off given that the agreement is also intended to discourage Southwest service at DFW

apparently they forgot to consult him regarding this matter.

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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:57 am

OPNLguy? What do you think???

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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:57 am

I'll bet Sen. Bond is sure glad he got MO added when he did.

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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:02 am

Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 28):
I'll bet Sen. Bond is sure glad he got MO added when he did.

Seems very well crafted to me, if WN expands at STL as a result AA will have to contend with increased competition not only out of D/FW but STL as well- shall be interesting to see how everything pans out-- looks like the number of non-stops from DAL to STL will go up for sure.
 
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:02 am

I am stunned that Herb is going along with it. Why fight this hard and this long and simply surrender. I hope some of the Southwest employees will chime in here and present their reactions...............
 
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:08 am

Courtesy: KTVT-TV

Entire Wright Amendment Announcement Video

http://cbs11tv.com/video/[email protected]
 
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:12 am

This proposal stinks to high heaven. I can tell you right now I don't want my tax dollars being spent to buy and then tear down an expensive superior terminal (Legend), only to remodel an existing inferior one for Southwest's near exclusive use. This is hardly a solution.

..and by the way...

A people mover at DAL? You have got to be kidding me. First of all WN can pay for their own people mover if they want one. Secondly, the terminal will be smaller than SNA for crying out loud... A people mover? Yeah, that's money well spent.

[Edited 2006-06-15 23:21:22]
 
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:20 am

Quoting Milemaster (Reply 32):
A people mover at DAL? First of all WN can pay for their own people mover if they want one. Secondly, the terminal will be smaller than SNA for crying out loud... A people mover? What a waste.

I took this as being light rail service into Love, as it mentioned DART.... who knows...
 
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:22 am

Quoting Milemaster (Reply 32):
This proposal stinks to high heaven. I can tell you right now I don't want my tax dollars being spent to buy and then tear down an expensive superior terminal (Legend), only to remodel an existing inferior one for Southwest's near exclusive use. This is hardly a solution.

The renovations to DAL are to be funded by increased landing fees and other airport fees, not tax dollars.

And, in any event, while the Legend terminal was nice, it was too small and removed from the rest of the airport to be effective, and its gates were not feasible to use with aircraft other than DC-9s.
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:35 am

Quoting Ssides (Reply 34):
The renovations to DAL are to be funded by increased landing fees and other airport fees, not tax dollars.

While that may be true, I suspect the purchase and the following demolition of the Legend terminal would be paid by tax dollars. The most recent valuation of the property was roughly 100M.

Quoting Ssides (Reply 34):
And, in any event, while the Legend terminal was nice, it was too small and removed from the rest of the airport to be effective, and its gates were not feasible to use with aircraft other than DC-9s.

I wonder how much it would cost to replace jetbridges as opposed to flat out buying & demolishing the whole enchilada?

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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:41 am

It was awhile back that I flew Legend (obviously) but as I recall they didn't really have jetways did they? Aren't the "jetways" actually part of the building that comes out level with the door of the DC-9?
 
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:43 am

Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 27):
OPNLguy? What do you think???

My initial reaction was like KarlB737's--I was stunned (and still am a little), but I have to temper that by acknowledging that I was never a fly on the wall when discussions were taking place, and thus am not privy to the various pros/cons that led to the decision that was made.

Whatever "upside" there is to this deal isn't readily apparent to me, thus far, at least, since I'm still digging through the specifics of the agreements.

Eight years is a tough one to swallow....
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:48 am

An interesting proposal. I don't think anyone has any intention of abiding by it, though.

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 21):
DAL will be gate-capped at 20.

The most problematic part. Prima facie (and probably what SWA is saying in Washington right now) this provision violates several areas of Federal law (and Dallas and SWA can say that they ment well but that the darn federals got in the way) specifically in U.S.C. Title 49, Subtitle 7, Part A, Subpart 2, Chapter 417, Subcapter 1,: Subsection 41713 parts (a)(1&3), (c),(e)(1)(B)(iii&iv), and (e)(C,D,E,F&G).

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 21):
If Congress passes legislation against the wishes of the parties involved, AND WN starts flying to non WA states non-stop, they will relinquish 8 DAL gates back to the city of Dallas for their use.

And under Federal law, Dallas'll probably have to give them right back.

The agreement makes sense for AA, but not for DFW as ScottB laid out.

Something's fishy about all this.....
 
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:55 am

In the end Love Field will be closed. The value of real estate north of Dallas downtown continues to go up and Love Field is a redundant facility. The City of Dallas can extract far more tax money from redeveloping the airport land. Just wait until greedy developers join the fray.
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:00 am

Quoting Legend500 (Reply 38):
The most problematic part. Prima facie (and probably what SWA is saying in Washington right now) this provision violates several areas of Federal law (and Dallas and SWA can say that they ment well but that the darn federals got in the way) specifically in U.S.C. Title 49, Subtitle 7, Part A, Subpart 2, Chapter 417, Subcapter 1,: Subsection 41713 parts (a)(1&3), (c),(e)(1)(B)(iii&iv), and (e)(C,D,E,F&G).

that's great that you know what Code, title, subtitle, part, subpart, chapter, subchapter, and subsection they are violating...but how bout you tell us what that actually means for this situation?
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:03 am




Quoting Incitatus (Reply 39):
Love Field is a redundant facility.

No it isn't, Incitatus. If it were, nobody would purchase tickets to fly into or out of DAL. Airlines service DAL because passengers want to travel into and out of that airport...not the other way around. If WN was the only airline servicing the airport, it could be argued, but as it stands, DAL is certainly not redundant.

Moreover, it would be stupid to close DAL. You see, there's this segment of aviation called general aviation, and it contributed more than $150 billion to the US economy last year.




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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:04 am

Southwest got screwed compared to AA...

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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:20 am

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 39):
In the end Love Field will be closed.

Non-issue. Laura Miller said (again) this morning that Love will remain open.

Most simply stated, Dallas is not going to toss the baby with bathwater by closing the airport and losing corporate/GA traffic, and we already know (from years of litigation) that they can't selectively close Love to commercial traffic.

Time to get a new issue, I'm afraid--this one's a dead horse...  Wink
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:21 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 37):
Eight years is a tough one to swallow....

Only thing I can figure is:
1) WN thinks it will take years for them to construct the facilities and possibly fleet mods (see my 735 thread) to fully exploit DAL;
2) WN is worried about the coming election and its effect on their seeming WA momentum (i.e.--Chairman Oberstar....scary);
3) A codified 84% monopoly on gates at a close-in hub airport is worth waiting for.
 
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:25 am

Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 28):
I'll bet Sen. Bond is sure glad he got MO added when he did.

I think you will see more "Federal Assistance" like that come along regardless any local agreements. That will change the dynamics of any local agreements, and all of the players involved will be right back where they were months ago.

It was an under the table, good ole boy, anti-competitive, anti-capitalism law in the beginning. It's now been further bastardized and complicated which should certainly make some money for the Lawyers in the area.
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:26 am

Quoting Legend500 (Reply 38):
The most problematic part. Prima facie (and probably what SWA is saying in Washington right now) this provision violates several areas of Federal law (and Dallas and SWA can say that they ment well but that the darn federals got in the way) specifically in U.S.C. Title 49, Subtitle 7, Part A, Subpart 2, Chapter 417, Subcapter 1,: Subsection 41713 parts (a)(1&3), (c),(e)(1)(B)(iii&iv), and (e)(C,D,E,F&G).

I suspect that given the need for Congressional action in this matter, Congress could choose to specifically amend existing Federal Law in order to codify these restrictions; however, it appears that most of the restrictions imposed on Southwest and American in this agreement are entered into voluntarily by these parties. (I suppose the enforceability of the restrictions could be problematic...) And the City of Dallas agrees to provide gate space to new entrants, if possible.

Quoting Milemaster (Reply 32):
Secondly, the terminal will be smaller than SNA for crying out loud

SNA currently has 14 gates and may be expanded to 20 under the revised settlement agreement -- so no, it won't be smaller than SNA.
 
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:30 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 37):
Eight years is a tough one to swallow....

To me this is the biggest drawback here. Having watched the video mentioned in my earlier post I sense (but am not sure) that the 8 years allows time for the mods to Love to be made but again it still isn't clear to me why the massive delay.
 
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:38 am

I'm having trouble unerstanding WN's agreeing to not only a 20-gate max at DAL, but to a lengthy 8-year phaseout of the WA.

IMHO, if WN had continued the road they were already on, the WA would have ended up fully repealed sooner or later anyway.

I'm also curious as to how what those airlines not currently serving DAL feel about all this. Looks to me like they getting left out in the cold.

I also foresee parts of this "compromise" winding up either in the courts or as issues with the FAA.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 14):
MSY could get more previous flights restored

This should in no way be connected to a WA phaseout. The demand already exists to have more flights reinstated (in addition to those added last weekend), WN management just hasn't fully grasped it yet.

Tom at MSY
"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
 
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RE: Official Wright Amendment Deal Thread

Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:52 am

I would like to know how many flights SWA has out of Dallas right now?
In the future they will have 16 gates which means 160-200 flights (I guess).

And how much fastest one-stop adds travel time?
I guess that SWA will use one-stops from Dallas to east via Kansas City, St. Louis and Little Rock. From Dallas to Florida via Jackson and from Dallas to Las Vegas and Phoenix via Albuquerque and El Paso.


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