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Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Thu Jun 22, 2006 5:40 pm

Hi all,

I want to know if there are any Sud-Est Caravelle still flying in passenger configuration.

I listened that in Democratic Republic of Congo there were a pair of airlines still flying this aircraft.

Anyone know something else?? I will fly to FIH next month and to fly in a CRV is one of my dreams.

Thanks for your future answers.

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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Thu Jun 22, 2006 5:49 pm

You are just a bit too late.
Waltair of Congo Kinshasa was the last airline to fly Caravelles. They parked the last one,, 9Q-CPI, by early 2005. The owner claims they have 9Q-CPI airworthy for a ferry flight to a museum but as the CofA is withdrawn no chance for passenger services. It's a legendary airframe, the original 10B prototype, with a long service record with Finnair, Altair, Air City, Aero Jet and then to Waltair. A bit alarming is that it hasn't been seen recently while many photographers visited Kinshasa lately
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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:05 pm

Tucson had one sitting at the south end of it's main runway for the last few years (it was baremetal). But last time I flew down there in April I didnt see it.

Not to much caravelle talk on here so just thought I'd throw that in there.
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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:54 am

What's the situation with Caravelles in museums? Are there any caravelles on display here in the US? What about in Europe?

I've always been a big fan of the Caravelle even though I never had the chance to fly on one. Such a graceful, lovely aircraft.

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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:12 am

Quoting MD80Nut (Reply 3):
What's the situation with Caravelles in museums? Are there any caravelles on display here in the US? What about in Europe?

Several around Europe (Bruxelles, Beograd etc.). In the US there is one at Hartford Conn. (New England Museum), one in the Pima Museum at Tucson Az., and there used to be one on display at Cincinnati Airport but I think that one is gone now.
 
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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:19 am

I flew in one ages ago during my college days on a student charter. Very noisy aircraft. You aren't missing anything.

Now if anyone knows of any domestic/USA routes utilizing a DC-3...
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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:38 am

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 5):
I flew in one ages ago during my college days on a student charter. Very noisy aircraft. You aren't missing anything.
Now if anyone knows of any domestic/USA routes utilizing a DC-3...

By the standards of her days, Caravelle was a pretty silent ac. First one with engines at the tail.
Now if you want noisy, a DC-3 will suit you fine  Smile
 
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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:46 am

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 5):
any domestic/USA routes utilizing a DC-3

No. Buffalo Airways Yellowknife to Hay River in Canada is the only route in North America. Several in South America though.
 
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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:49 am

You´ll love this one, crashed 7 months after it was taped.

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircra..._Untitled_Aviation_Video-5483.html

If you do a search in the archive, lots of interesting topics on the caravelle.

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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:03 am

Personally, I think the Caravelle is a goofy looking airplane. I'm not saying it in a negative way, it just looks....odd.

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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:26 pm

i saw 2 caravelle freighters about 5 years ago, somewhere in south america, cant remember where it was
 
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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:04 pm

Quoting Antonovman (Reply 10):
i saw 2 caravelle freighters about 5 years ago, somewhere in south america, cant remember where it was

Most likely Colombia. There were a couple of Caravelle freighters in use with several operators over there. One even ditched when it was intercepted by a fighter aircraft on a drug-smuggling run.
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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:58 pm

Sadly, we will probably never see "La Belle Caravelle" flying again, as is the case with much of the first generation of jet airliners now. (There are still plenty of DC-8 cargo operations but those numbers will dwindle in the next 5 years too.)
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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:08 pm

There´s one in Sweden located at Arlanda Stockholm, owned by "Le Club Caravelle" fires up the engine every month to keep the hydraulics and engine in good shape.
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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:19 pm

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 5):
Now if anyone knows of any domestic/USA routes utilizing a DC-3...

These guys will even let you drive one:

http://www.mcflyers.com/DC3.htm

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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:39 pm

I flew on quite a few AF Caravelles. They were really classy especially the windows.
 
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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:53 pm

Quoting Breiz (Reply 6):
By the standards of her days, Caravelle was a pretty silent ac. First one with engines at the tail.
Now if you want noisy, a DC-3 will suit you fine

Aarghh....I remember the Caravelle from my childhood days in Mumbai....IC used to fly a fleet of them in the 70's and I still remember them as the noisiest and most unpleasant sounding plane ever......maybe rivalled only by the VC-10....
 
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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:50 am

Quoting MD80Nut (Reply 3):
What's the situation with Caravelles in museums? Are there any caravelles on display here in the US?

There is one at Pima County:

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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 6:53 am

Its a shame such a wonderful Airliner get scrapped they should be conserved. cry 
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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 6:58 am

Ah, Caravelle. Noisey and dirty. A real plane!

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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:31 am

Quoting Visityyj (Reply 4):
Several around Europe (Bruxelles, Beograd etc.). In the US there is one at Hartford Conn. (New England Museum), one in the Pima Museum at Tucson Az., and there used to be one on display at Cincinnati Airport but I think that one is gone now.

You will find a former SAS Caravelle (without the wings) at the Museum of Technology in Oslo. Hope it still is there. I believe there is a well preserved example somewhere in Denmark too. I think it might be in Billund.

I flew with the former Sterling Airways in their Caravelle 12b (the ultimate stretched version) to Ibitza back in the mid 80's. I believe this airline (now gone) operated the type until it folded either in the late 80's or early 90's.

I have seen the example at Cincinnati Airport. I assume you are referrering to the example with markings of Airborne Express? It must be gone. The last time I recall spotting it was in 1993.

The Caravelle is quite an aircraft. It set the stage for rear-mounted engines. A revolutionary design that has been copied and enhanced into other successful aircraft that enjoyed long production runs.
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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:40 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 16):
I still remember them as the noisiest and most unpleasant sounding plane ever......maybe rivalled only by the VC-10

From the outside, maybe. But, from inside (my emphasis added):

Quoting Breiz (Reply 6):
By the standards of her days, Caravelle was a pretty silent ac.
 
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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:19 pm

Does anyone know if there's still a Caravelle in Airborne Express colours parked on the tarmac at CMH? It used to be at the Ohio History of Flight Museum, but after it closed all I remember was that it was moved to tarmac at the far end of the airport.
 
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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:51 pm

Can anyone corroborate this vague memory for me?

I think it was in the mid 70s after dark on arrival at Lawton, Oklahoma I thought I saw what looked like many of Uniteds Caravelles parked at a boneyard near the runway. I never got back there but always wondered if this was the designated scrapping area for them.
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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:27 pm

Caravelle was not 'goofy' when it entered service in the late 1950's, it was the most advanced short hauler flying by a considerable margin.
 
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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 10:32 pm

Quoting GDB (Reply 24):
Caravelle was not 'goofy' when it entered service in the late 1950's, it was the most advanced short hauler flying by a considerable margin.

And pretty sleek, too (lovely nose section  Smile ). I'm not sure where the "goofy" came from.
 
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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:17 am

Quoting David L (Reply 25):
I'm not sure where the "goofy" came from.

"Goofy" could possibly come from the public perception of the early examples built. These examples would deploy a parachute after landing to assist with braking.

As far as looks, I think the Caravelle has a very sleek design that was very forward looking for the time when the airframe itself was designed.
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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:24 am

Quoting Scalebuilder (Reply 26):
These examples would deploy a parachute after landing to assist with braking.

Perhaps "baggy" would have been more appropriate, then.  Smile
 
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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:08 am

And if that nose looks familiar, it should;

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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:53 am

Quoting GDB (Reply 28):
And if that nose looks familiar, it should;

I know that the Comet cockpit was used in the first production examples of the Caravelle. Do you know what year the first Caravelle was built without it?

I don't know, but still I am really curious.
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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:29 am

Quoting Scalebuilder (Reply 29):
I know that the Comet cockpit was used in the first production examples of the Caravelle. Do you know what year the first Caravelle was built without it?

It's not that they attached actual old Comet noses on the Caravelles. They used the design of the Comet cockpit (internal and nose shape), they paid De Havilland for the rights to use it, probably the cockpit panels were actually built in England. Right until the final Caravelle built in 1973, the cockpit shares Comet techniques and general shape, although the Caravelle fuselage is a few inch wider to accomodate 5 abreast seating.
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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:01 am

I've been daydreaming about Air France Caravelles for weeks! And now I got to see the SurAmericas thang take off! Those were the days of ear-shattering turbojets!!!!!
 
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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:51 am

Quoting MD80Nut (Reply 3):
Are there any caravelles on display here in the US?

There is one in CVG. It is no longer in Airborne colors. It's located on the southside of the field adjacent to the fire station. A year or two ago, I flew into the FBO and noticed there was a setup of a Caravelle. Someone mentioned you could go aboard if you made arrangements with the airport.
 
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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:44 pm

Quoting Jonno (Reply 31):
And now I got to see the SurAmericas thang take off! Those were the days of ear-shattering turbojets!!!!!

I am nitpicking again, the pictured Caravelle had JT-8D turbofans, the same as older non hushed 727s had. So the sound in the picture is not as unique.
For true Avon sounds, I'd recommend a Heathow 1960s DVD with lots of Comets and Caravelle III/IV series taking off.
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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:44 pm

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 11):
Most likely Colombia. There were a couple of Caravelle freighters in use with several operators over there. One even ditched when it was intercepted by a fighter aircraft on a drug-smuggling run.

Not any longer.
Last Caravelle operators AeroSucre and Lineas Aereas Suramericanas stopped flying the type long ago.
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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:32 am

M404 (Reply 23)....

International Air - Stored in Lawton,OK from 1975-1978:
N45SB SE210-VIN #19
N46SB SE210-VIN #149
N49SB SE210-VIN #180
(Source: Sud Est Caravelle, A. Avrane)

All ex Aerolineas Argentinas / Fuerza Aerea Argentina. All ended up going to EAS (France).

Note #19 was first Series III prototype and then converted to Series VIN.

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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:51 am

There is a Caravelle sitting at VNY. Its on the east side of the airport just north of Clay Lacy.
 
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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:29 pm

Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 2):
Tucson had one sitting at the south end of it's main runway for the last few years (it was baremetal). But last time I flew down there in April I didnt see it.

She now sits next to the Pima College aviation hangar looking a bit sad.
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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:59 pm

Hello:
I still remember my first sighting of a Caravelle in Paris-Orly. At a first glance I thought it was an older version of the DC-9...such a beautiful aircraft!!! Also I remeber seeing at least one Aero LLoyd in Germany. I was 6 or 7 ...so long since 1979...

The Mexican Air Force operated a couple (a 10R and an 11) for a few months until the lack of spares forced them to be parked. The two remained in Santa Lucía base for some years until they were sold last year and disassembled. They are going to be rebuilt in a shopping mall. Both were ex Colombian, seized by the Army after suspect cargo were found onbard.
The 11 was a former Sterling machine.

that`s the short history of the Caravelle in Mexico.

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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:16 pm

Hi!

Actually the first Caravelle prototype got a cockpit attached from the DH Comet. Of course they had to make some changes ( Comet 4 engines versus Caravelle 2 engines etc. etc. ) but Aerospatiale wanted to save time doing that. Both Caravelle III and VI-N had the same style of cockpit, but from Caravelle VI-R on the cockpit changed a lot, specially their window lay-out!
Now I just found in the A.Net photo engines this example parked at Van Nuys Airport/CA in 2006....can anyone give more details about it? Looks that this plane could fly again...well at least it's my impression!


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RE: Any Caravelle Still Flying?

Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:34 pm

There are apparently no flying Caravelles today. It's possible that among the stored fleet a number could be made airworthy, but except for the Waltair and Caravelle Club examples, perhaps, I don't know how likely that is to happen.

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