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Hub Cities Through The Years

Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:13 am

I'm looking for some historical data on hub cities. In particular, which cities were hubs for the major carriers from 1990 to today. Any help in finding this information would be greatly appreciated.
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:20 am

RDU was a Hub for Midway Airline ( 2nd midway) the First Midway Airline was hubed in MDW,
 
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:25 am

For a few years IND was a hub for US. And for a couple of months they were a true hub for TZ. Well true enough for TZ anyway.
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:29 am

I can do a couple..

AA:

MIA, DFW, ORD, STL, RDU*, BNA*, SJU, SJC*

JI:

RDU*, MDW*

DH:

IAD*

*No longer Valid

US-Metrojet:

BWI*, MCO*, ATL(?)*, RDU(?)* <>
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:37 am

From ~1990 to today, USAir/US Airways has had hubs or large focus cities at:

BOS, BWI, CLE, CLT, CMH, DAY, DCA, EWR, FLL, IAD, IND, LAS, LAX, LGA, MCI, MCO, PHL, PHX, PIT, SFO, SYR, TPA

Yes, that really is 22 cities.
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:38 am

CO:

Past bases/hubs from 1990 - Present

DEN
GSO
SEA
LAX
IAD
HNL
LGA (spin off hub of EWR - we had trips that originated and terminated
specifically at this location)

Current Bases

EWR
IAH
CLE
GUM


Aren't hubs different from focus cities.

Wouldn't a hub qualify as a place where pilots and FAs are based, aircraft are based and so on.

Aren't focus cities where an airline "focuses" on driving traffic to/from?

[Edited 2006-06-24 00:42:30]
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:44 am

Other defunct hubs:

-UA at CLE
-DL at DFW
-TWA at STL (now an AA mini-hub)
-HP at CMH
B721/722/731/732/733/735/73G/738/739/742/752/753/762/763, A300/319/320, DC-9/10, MD-82/83/88/90, ERJ-140/145, CRJ-200/700, Q200, SF340, AS350
 
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:46 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 5):
Aren't hubs different from focus cities.

Nowadays, yes. Back in the early 1990's, though, the term "focus city" wasn't used, and airlines just referred to everything as a "hub".

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 5):
Wouldn't a hub qualify as a place where pilots and FAs are based, aircraft are based and so on.

No. Different airlines have different types of staffing models. Some choose to base their crews only at hubs; some choose to base their crews at a bunch of outstations.
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:48 am

TWA had STL and JFK, I think they also tried a hub at ATL in the early 90's

RDU, BNA and SJC were AA hubs in the early to mid 90's

I think BOS used to be a mini-hub for NW

did DL consider MCO a hub in the early 90's? I believe they had some international service to CDG and FRA from there...
 
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:51 am

Quoting A330323X (Reply 7):
No. Different airlines have different types of staffing models. Some choose to base their crews only at hubs; some choose to base their crews at a bunch of outstations.

See, just because you have been in the industry 20+ years doesn't mean you know everything. You can be taught new tricks.

Thanks for the insight and clarification, A330323X. Much appreciated.

Cheers
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:09 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 9):
Quoting A330323X (Reply 7):
No. Different airlines have different types of staffing models. Some choose to base their crews only at hubs; some choose to base their crews at a bunch of outstations.

See, just because you have been in the industry 20+ years doesn't mean you know everything. You can be taught new tricks.

Thanks for the insight and clarification, A330323X. Much appreciated.

Cheers

For example, BOS and RDU are AA F/A bases even though they are not hubs.

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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:14 am

EWN (New Bern) is a Piedmont Pilot base for US, but it is FAR from a hub.
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Sat Jun 24, 2006 11:06 am

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 6):
-TWA at STL (now an AA mini-hub)

200+ daily flights is far from a mini-hub. STL is a full-size AA hub, just not as big as it once was.
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Sat Jun 24, 2006 11:30 am

Here's what I come up with as "hubs" since 1980. "Hub" is very sujective. In boardline cases I tended to consider it a hub if it was designed for significant connecting traffic, not a hub if it was mostly designed for point-to-point.

I was a little more liberal in inclusion of self-defined "hubs", especially if they were banked operations, even if they were only a dozen or two flights.

Also, two airlines listed on the same line means that the second inherited the hub from the first. Airlines listed on separate lines indicate that they each had a hub on their own. At MSP Republic and Northwest are separate because they each had hubs there before merger. At Detroit I put them on the same line because Northwest was rather thin at DTW before they bought Republic.


Phoenix
--Republic
--America West
--Southwest

Los Angeles
--Western
--PSA / USAir
--United
--American
--Southwest

San Francisco
--PSA / USAir
--United

San Jose
--American
--Reno Air

Denver
--United
--Frontier (old)
--Continental
--MarkAir
--Frontier (new)
--Western Pacific after move from COS

Colorado Springs
--Western Pacific

Miami
--National / Pan Am
--Air Florida
--Eastern
--American

Orlando
--Delta
--Florida Express / Braniff II
--Piedmont / USAir

Tampa
--Northwest (1985/86)

Atlanta
--Eastern
--Delta
--Republic
--Air Atlanta
--TWA (mini-hub in later 80's or early 90's, up to about 45 fl for short time)
--ValuJet/AirTran

Chicago O'Hare
--Northwest, Delta until about 1983
--TWA hub until about 1983
--United
--American

Chicago Midway
--Midway (I)
--ATA
--Southwest

Indianapolis
--USAir
--ATA

New Orleans
--Pride Air (mid 80's)

Baltimore
--Piedmont / USAir
--Southwest

Detroit
--Republic / Norhtwest

Minneapolis
--Republic
--Northwest

St Louis
--Ozark
--TWA
--Southwest

Kansas City
--TWA
--Braniff I
--Eastern
--Braniff II
--USAir
--Vanguard
--Southwest
--Midwest

Las Vegas
--Republic
--America West
--Sunworld
--Southwest
--National
--Allegiant

Reno
--Sunworld
--Reno Air

Newark
--People Express / Continental

Bufalo
--USAir

Syracuse
--Empire / USAir

JFK
--Pan Am
--TWA
--Delta
--American
--JetBlue

Charlotte
--Eastern
--Piedmont / USAir

Raleigh
--American
--Midway (II)

Greensboro
--Continental (Lite)

Dayton
--Piedmont / USAir

Cincinnati
--Delta

Cleveland
--United
--USAir
--Continental

Columbus
--USAir
--America West

Portland
--Alaska

Pittburgh
--TWA until about 1982
--United until abuot 1982
--USAir

Philadelphia
--Eastern
--Altair
--Midway (I)
--USAir

Memphis
--Delta
--Republic / Northwest

Nashville
--American
--Southwest

Dallas/Fort Worth
--Braniff I
--Delta
--Braniff II
--American

Dallas Love
--Southwest
--Muse
--Legend

Houston Intercontinental
--National / Pan Am
--Eastern
--Continental

Houston Hobby
--Southwest
--Muse / TranStar

Utah
--Western / Delta

Washington National
--Eastern
--Northwest
--USAir

Washington Dulles
--New York Air / Continental
--Presidential
--United
--Independence

Seattle
--Alaska

Milwaukee
--Republic
--Northwest (late 80's / early 90's minihub)
--Midwest

[Edited 2006-06-24 04:34:57]

[Edited 2006-06-24 04:37:48]

[Edited 2006-06-24 04:43:58]
 
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:58 pm

Greensboro was also an Eastwind hub.
 
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:45 pm

Columbia, SC:
Air South

Myrtle Beach, SC:
Hooters

Orlando Sanford:
Pan Am II (or is it Pan Am III?)

Winston-Salem, NC:
Piedmont (until early 1980s)
Pace

Roanoke, VA:
Piedmont (until late 1970s)

Wilmington, NC:
Piedmont (until mid-1970s)

Orlando:
Airtran (pre valujet merger - mid-90s?)
 
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:08 am

When Reno Air was around, they used RNO as a hub, although there was a fair amount of O&D traffic as well.
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:03 am

Wardair.
CYEG.
CYYC.
CYVR.
CYYZ.

Canadian.
CYYZ.
CYYC.
CYVR.

Royal.
CYYZ.
CYMX.

Canada 3000.
CYYZ
CYUL
CYMX
CYVR
CYYC

Air club.
CYYZ
CYMX

Fortunair.
CYMX.

Points of call.
CYEG
CYVR


Holidair.
CYVR.
CYYZ.

Crownair.
CYYZ.

Odyssey Intl.
CYYZ.

and I am sure there are more.
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:10 am

Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 13):
Raleigh
--American
--Midway (II)

NY had a hub at RDU as well (before AA and Midway).

We also had hubs at EWR and IAD.
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:20 am

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 8):
did DL consider MCO a hub in the early 90's?

Not sure if it was considered a "hub" but a large focus city perhaps. This was when they had the Disney marketing contract - "Official Airline of Walt Disney World" which was plucked from the then-defunct Eastern Airlines. Not sure if it is related, but they pulled back on MCO service after the contract was lost.

Quoting FURUREFA (Reply 10):
For example, BOS and RDU are AA F/A bases even though they are not hubs.

AA also has bases in non-hub cities: LAX, SFO and JFK (LAX and JFK are not considered hubs by AA). In addition, AA has F/A bases in BOG, LIM and EZE (or is it GRU?).
 
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:32 am

EWR could have been considered a hub for US just after the PI merger.
 
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:56 am

Knope2001:

Sorry, but I think some of your Chicago Info is wrong...

Northwest used ORD as a hub until the Republic merger in October of 1986.
But actually, Northwest had no real hubs until after the merger. They just had several main cities they served. In 1987 they really began using the word "hub" as well as "international gateway."
They served 18 cities non-stop including the Orient. They kept the hub, though on a slightly smaller scale, through 1988 or so.

January 1985:
MSP
RST
MSN
MKE
DTW
CLE
BOS
JFK
IAD
MSY
TPA
RSW
FLL
MIA
BIL
SEA
ICT
NRT

TWA used Chicago as a Mini hub though 1986 serving 8 airports.

January 1985:
MCI
STL
CMH
PIT
LGA
JFK
BOS
LHR

Delta has a hub at O'Hare though the early 1990's, which is evident in the opening of their own terminal in the L concourse in the summer of 1984. They served 14 cities.

January 1985:
MSP
STL
CIN
SDF
BOS
MEM
ATL
DFW
MSY
MCO
TPA
PBI
FLL
MIA

Republic had a hub at ORD until April 28, 1985 when they condensed their operations to their three main hubs in MSP, DTW, and MEM. They served 14 cities.

January 1985:
MSP
RST
MSN
MKE
GRB
GRR
LSG
DTW
KZO
ATL
BNA
MEM
IAH
PHX

Eastern also used ORD as a hub serving 12 cities. In 1986 it was scaled down, but was still a crew base.

1985:
ATL
BIR
CLT
IAH
MCI
LAX
RSW
MIA
LGA
EWR
SJU
SRQ

I hope this help, and please don't be offended Knope2001, I just wanted to clarify some things.

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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:02 am

United Airlines also had a small hub at MCO in the early 90s, it was closed in the summer of 1993. They offered mainline jet service to Miami, Jacksonville, New York, Mexico City, I think Boston too, but I'm not certain.
 
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:58 am

Quoting Eastern1985 (Reply 21):

I hope this help, and please don't be offended Knope2001, I just wanted to clarify some things.

No biggie. Designating something as hub or not is often very subjective, and we probably differer on a few.
 
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:17 pm

Kansas City has an amazing record for failures. I think you could even add UAL to the list, although it was a VERY small hub. Before deregulation, UAL ran as many as 8 flights a day through MKC; as I recall they all offered some interchange possibilities.

Midwest is pretty brave to give it one more try.
 
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:28 pm

Quoting Gsoflyer (Reply 15):
Winston-Salem, NC:
Piedmont (until early 1980s)

Wouldn't that be GSO? INT was discontinued in 1982 when the YS-11s were retired.
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:45 pm

These posts are quite inclusive and excellent. A few more.


  • BOS Northeast (Yellow Birds), PBA (Provincetown Boston Airways)
  • ROC Capital (Penn Central Airlines which was taken over by UA)
  • DCA Capital, North East (Yellow Birds) National (sundowners)
  • BWI Piedmont
  • EWR People's Express
  • LGA Eastern (Shuttle) Trump Shuttle
  • JFK Tower
  • MIA Capital (Penn Central), North East (yellow birds) Eastern Express/Eastern, Mackey, Air Florida, People Express, Arrow Air, National, (classic sundowners and version 2 (prior to the last incarnation that used Vegas as their hub. Panagra (classic)
  • ATL Valu Jet, FL, DL, Eastern, United , Southern (first incarnation)


I'll think of more later.
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:12 pm

Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 26):
ATL Valu Jet

They became AirTran later on.
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:27 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 24):
Kansas City has an amazing record for failures. I think you could even add UAL to the list, although it was a VERY small hub. Before deregulation, UAL ran as many as 8 flights a day through MKC; as I recall they all offered some interchange possibilities.

Midwest is pretty brave to give it one more try.

United at Kansas City before dergulation was really an odd bird. Looking back at old timetables they did have a tiny hub at MKC / MCI with one flight a day from spokes like Dulles, Philadelphia and Hartford and the east and Los Angeles, Seattle and San Francisco on the west. But in the timetable it would say things like "UA 947 no local traffic IAD-MCI". Several of the United flights were allowed to *only* carry connecting and thru traffic. Strange

As for Midwest in Kansas City, if they keep their eyes primarily on local traffic rather than connecting traffic, they have a better shot. Kansas City is fantastic in geographical location for long-haul transcon connections but not nearly as good in other aspects. Local traffic is not insigificant but notably less than places like Chicago, St Louis, Minneapolis, Dallas, etc. And it doesn't have a good hinterland of feed communities to tap, especially ones that it "owns". Cincinnati, for example, is a smaller local market than Kansas City but is surrounded by all sorts of significant feeder communities, especially ones without the yield pressure of low-fare carriers.

Kansas City is great at serving traffic flows like Philadelphia - Las Vegas. But after you take away people who fly the nonstop airlines, then take away those who fly connections on better-known airlines with more frequent flights through other hubs, a Kansas City airline looking to serve PHL-LAS via their MCI hub can only get traffic by undercutting fares. Braniff, Eastern and Vanguard all learned this the hard way.
 
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:38 pm

Knope2001:

You are very right. People will always differ on what is considered a "hub," and back in the 80's airlines were still experimenting and some used the hub concept earlier than others.

And as a clarification, I know that some of the hubs I listed would probably go under the mini-hub category. But like I said, Northwest did not use the hub concept until after the merger.

Anyhow, I was going off of info I have stating that NW, DL, TWA, EA, and RC all had crew bases at ORD at the date I mentioned (January 1985), as well as timetables. But I would also say that many of the operations at ORD were on a steady decline so by the late 80's the only surviving mini-hubs were DL, and an even smaller one fot TW. By 1989 NW only called ORD an "International Gateway" or hub.

So you are also right. I am sure that in 1983 or earlier many airlines had an even larger ORD operation, and unless a person would have a plethora of timetables from that period, they would not be able to find the exact dates that hubs were active. The lines are very blurred.

Do you have timtables from the early 80's? And could you please tell me the ORD operations for them? That would be very cool.
 
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:32 am

Quoting A330323X (Reply 7):
Back in the early 1990's, though, the term "focus city" wasn't used, and airlines just referred to everything as a "hub".

Got an example or two? Of an airline calling an airport a hub when it wasn't?

(Happens all the time on airliners.net, of course, but the airlines didn't do it much, did they?)
 
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:56 am

Quote:
Wouldn't that be GSO? INT was discontinued in 1982 when the YS-11s were retired.

They were a hub until 1981, I believe. I remember the it being a big deal around here because GSO picked up a ton of flights, but weren't cconsidered a hub.
 
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:02 am

Quoting BGIplanefreak (Reply 22):



United Airlines also had a small hub at MCO in the early 90s, it was closed in the summer of 1993. They offered mainline jet service to Miami, Jacksonville, New York, Mexico City, I think Boston too, but I'm not certain.

United originaly announced Orlando as its 5th domestic hub in 1991 but the acqusition of Pan Am's South American operation centered around Miami as well as intense competetion from US Air and Delta made the effort to build a hub short lived.

in 1992 UA served the following cities nonstop from Orlando:

Miami
Fort Lauderdale
Fort Myers
West Palm Beach
Jacksonville
Tampa
Washington-DCA
Washington-IAD
Hartford/Springfield
Boston
New York-LGA
Newark
New Orleans
Chicago-ORD
Chicago-MDW
Milwaukee
Denver
San Fransisco
Los Angeles
Mexico City
 
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:13 am

Quoting Kkfla737 (Reply 32):
United originaly announced Orlando as its 5th domestic hub in 1991 but the acqusition of Pan Am's South American operation centered around Miami as well as intense competetion from US Air and Delta made the effort to build a hub short lived.

When in 1991 was this announcement made? I have a UA schedule from June of 1991 and only MIA, FLL, RSW, JAX, TPA, SRQ, ORD, DEN, LAX, SFO, and IAD were served. I don't recall MCO-MKE, MCO-BDL, MCO-DCA, and MCO-MEX service. MDW was discontinued around 1990, I believe.
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:50 am

BOS was a hub to Delta
PIT was a hub for US air
 
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:52 am

Was SEA ever a hub for UA and NW? Robert NWDC10
 
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:01 am

DL had a hub at MCO in the 90s, and it was supposed to turn into a relief hub of sorts for ATL. Flights were scheduled down to South America, but were never operated. I believe they had flights out to FRA and maybe even CDG. It's just a focus city now.

Obviously, can't forget about DL's hub at DFW. It was a huge base for ASA.

PDX was a focus city for DL until January 2001, and DL based alot of their Asian flights out of there. They flew from PDX to ATL, CVG, JFK, SLC, DFW, BOS, LAS, SFO, LAX, YVR, SEA, NRT, FUK, KIX, SEL, TPE, and NGO. They also had a Crown Club and cargo facilities at the airport.
 
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:39 am

I didn't see this one but isn't Salt Lake a hub for DL?

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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:52 am

Quoting AirEMS (Reply 37):
I didn't see this one but isn't Salt Lake a hub for DL?

-Carl

Yes SLC is the 3rd largest DL hub in the network
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:16 pm

Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 36):
DL had a hub at MCO in the 90s, and it was supposed to turn into a relief hub of sorts for ATL. Flights were scheduled down to South America, but were never operated. I believe they had flights out to FRA and maybe even CDG. It's just a focus city now.

DL served FRA from MCO with a daily L1011-500 service with continuation on a 727 to BUD. Flt. # was DL40 return flight was DL41.
Delta abandoned MCO-FRA nonstop service when they closed the FRA hub operation in 1998 along with FRA-DFW, FRA-IAD, FRA-LAX and the 2nd FRA-JFK flight.

They never flew from MCO to CDG! In fact DL served ORY until 1997 or so! But also never offered a flight from MCO to ORY! No Orlando to Paris service ever on DL!

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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:25 pm

Was PHL a hub for any other airline besides US? I know now that it is pretty much a focus city for WN...
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:29 pm

Oh okay, and there we go... lol

FRA used to be a mini-hub for Pan Am and later for Delta!

Both carriers had a/c stationed there (Boeing 727, Airbus A310 and DL later had 767-200´s as A310 replacement) but never crews (except for few inflight interpreters on certain routes), however WAW used to be a F/A base for both PA and DL but only had 2 daily flights. Also TXL used to be a F/A base for PA and could have also been called some sort of hub for PA! They had daily service from TXL to FRA, MUC, HAM, STR, WAW, ZRH, JFK and at some point in history also flew from TXL to LHR, CGN and DUS.
The TXL-FRA-TXL route was served with 12 daily flights each way! But of course there was never much connection traffic at TXL except for the service from TXL to JFK.

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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:31 pm

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 40):
Was PHL a hub for any other airline besides US? I know now that it is pretty much a focus city for WN...

EA had a big base there that became the original Midway Airlines' secondary hub. USAir took over the assets of Midway at PHL after their 1991 bankruptcy. AA and UA have always had big stations there, as did TW for a long time, including a campus of their travel academy, which was shut down after the second bankruptcy. PA flew PHL-LHR until TW swapped transatlantic routes with them in 1975.
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:36 pm

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 42):
as did TW for a long time, including a campus of their travel academy, which was shut down after the second bankruptcy.

Right, I forgot about TW having a sizable presence there as well as in PIT, although I don't think the PIT station was quite as large. Didn't they have some operation up at PNE? I went onto PHL's website a while back to see what ops used to be at PNE and that site mentioned TWA having some presence there. What was that?
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:00 pm

Quoting AirEMS (Reply 37):
I didn't see this one but isn't Salt Lake a hub for DL?

It was listed under Utah, not SLC.
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Tue Jun 27, 2006 4:18 am

DL served MCO-ORY 5x week with L-1011-500. Flight left around the same time as the MCO-FRA flight. It did exist! I believe it was heavily supported by Walt Disney World since they were building EuroDisney in France around the same timeframe.
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Tue Jun 27, 2006 4:50 am

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 33):
When in 1991 was this announcement made? I have a UA schedule from June of 1991 and only MIA, FLL, RSW, JAX, TPA, SRQ, ORD, DEN, LAX, SFO, and IAD were served. I don't recall MCO-MKE, MCO-BDL, MCO-DCA, and MCO-MEX service. MDW was discontinued around 1990, I believe.

The "hub" was opened in November 1991.

Quoting JohnClipper (Reply 45):
DL served MCO-ORY 5x week with L-1011-500

The MCO-ORY flight was discontinued in 1993 or 1994.
 
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:15 am

Why did DL close the FRA hub? What other cities did they serve from there?
 
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:14 am

Just to give you an impression on how Delta´s FRA hub looked like I´ll post their schedule to/from FRA as of June 1, 1994. It was actually pretty much the same schedule over the years. Towards the end some flights were abandoned earlier than others, FRA-LGW and FRA-DEL for instance and 767-200´s replaced A310 aircraft on the internal European flights.

310 = Airbus A310-200/300
763 = Boeing 767-300ER
L15 = Lockheed TriStar L1011-250/500
M11 = McDonnell Douglas MD-11
72S = Boeing 727-200 Adv.

from FRA to:

ATH, DL20, 310
ATL, DL15, 763
ATL, DL27, L15
BOM, DL106, M11, tuesday, thursday, saturday
BUD, DL14, 72S
CVG, DL49, L15
DFW, DL25, 763
DEL, DL106, M11, except tuesday, thursday, saturday
IST, DL72, 310
LGW, DL37, L15
LAX, DL57, M11
SVO, DL60, 310
JFK, DL107, L15
JFK, DL73, 310
MCO, DL41, L15
PRG/WAW, DL58, 72S
LED, DL12, 72S
VIE/OTP, DL40, 72S
WAW/LED, DL26, 72S
IAD, DL61, 763

to FRA from:

ATH, DL27, 310
ATL, DL20, L15
ATL, DL14, 763
BOM, DL107, M11, wednesday, friday, sunday
BUD, DL15, 72S
CVG, DL48, L15
DFW, DL26, 763
DEL, DL107, M11, except wednesday, friday, sunday
IST, DL73, 310
LGW, DL12, L15
LAX, DL58, M11
SVO, DL61, 310
JFK, DL72, L15
JFK, DL106, 310
MCO, DL40, L15
WAW/PRG, DL57, 72S
LED, DL37, 72S
OTP/VIE, DL41, 72S
LED/WAW, DL25, 72S
IAD, DL60, 763

A foreign minihuh like FRA is no longer necessary in times of airline alliances. Many destinations DL served through FRA are now served by codeshare partners, others like IST, SVO and ATH are served nonstop from the US. For example DL´s flight designation for their JFK-IST-JFK nonstop route is still DL72/73. The same flt. number that was used on the one-stop service with change of equipment in FRA. Also the BOM route was transferred to CDG when DL started codeshare and partnership with AF, DEL was abandoned.

DL still serves FRA twice daily from ATL (DL14, DL20), and with daily flights from CVG (DL48) and JFK (DL106).

I truly miss the days when Delta was Frankfurt´s 2nd largest carrier in terms of passengers enplaned and daily departures

 

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[Edited 2006-06-27 02:20:53]
 
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RE: Hub Cities Through The Years

Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:11 am

Quoting L1011Lover (Reply 48):
I truly miss the days when Delta was Frankfurt´s 2nd largest carrier in terms of passengers enplaned and daily departures

Pan Am was even larger in terms of capacity and number of daily flights prior to 1990 when the IGS was still operating.

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