Quoting Azstar (Reply 47): The assumption in TUS is that PHX fares are always lower. As a result, 300,000 Tucson passengers originate in Phoenix per year. That's a lot of Airbuses and 737's. If fares were always competetive, Tucson wouldn't be struggling to maintain nonstop air service to a lot of cities.

For the most part that is true, and the availability of more nonstop flights. However when CO had their EWR flight they priced it in competition with B6's PHX-JFK flight...that was part of the reason why they lost money on it. One way fare was about $150....pretty cheap!

Do they plan on using 190s or 320s on these flights?

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 13): Tuscon - why? There is a limited market on this route, there must be better opportunities.

I think it would be better for jetBlue routes like JFK-PHX-TUS-PHX-JFK.

And also, what about BDL?  

Cheers!
John

Ok guys I just got home and talked to my buddy at B6. They said it showed one flight each to SRQ and TUS, 3 flights to HOU. Dont know the type of plane being flown or any times so guess just have to wait for the annoucement.

woohoo HOU, now i only have to drive 10 hours to fly jetblue


oh wait , there is AUS, make that 8  




Garri767

Quoting Mcofreak (Reply 53): Ok guys I just got home and talked to my buddy at B6. They said it showed one flight each to SRQ and TUS, 3 flights to HOU. Dont know the type of plane being flown or any times so guess just have to wait for the annoucement.

Excellent news--can't wait to see JB here at Hobby....finally. Hopefully its 320s or a mix of 190s/320s.

I would of thought that the plans were for St. Louis and working there way west with the E190. But i guess they have some extra A320's around and are going to start Houston. I would have hoped for DFW, but i guess they are not that brave yet! But it will come i am confident.

What do you guys think of MKE, CLE, CVG and IND in the near future. It is only a matter of time, but at somepoint B6 is going to have to saddle up and take on one of the majors... the question is which one!

Jason

Hey Mcofreak...

Does your buddy work at the airport? How can he get access to this info? I'm sure that the B6 managment wouldn't let this info out of the bag until it is offically announced. That's why I'm skeptical about this thread.

Quoting Greenguy01 (Reply 57): Does your buddy work at the airport? How can he get access to this info? I'm sure that the B6 managment wouldn't let this info out of the bag until it is offically announced. That's why I'm skeptical about this thread.

Agreed.

Thomas

What software is he using? Please ask him becuse I dont see anything about these flights. I've looked twice.

Quoting Greenguy01 (Reply 57): Does your buddy work at the airport? How can he get access to this info? I'm sure that the B6 managment wouldn't let this info out of the bag until it is offically announced. That's why I'm skeptical about this thread.

Is there a possibility that B6 might be raising there own profile by spreading their own rumours?

Quoting Werdywerd (Reply 59): What software is he using? Please ask him becuse I dont see anything about these flights. I've looked twice.

Wendy,
It hasn't been loaded yet. New flights are normally loaded and released for sale after the announcement. Look for the official announcement first.

Quoting BillReid (Reply 60): Wendy, It hasn't been loaded yet. New flights are normally loaded and released for sale after the announcement. Look for the official announcement first.

I realize this. I work for B6 and just for kicks I've looked on our systems to see if it was prematurly added before an announcement, but I don't see it anywhere.

Either: A) His buddy is pulling his leg or B) Our leg is gettin pulled.

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 51): Do they plan on using 190s or 320s on these flights?

We are really trying to expand the E190 flights. TUS would have to be an A320 flight if it came from JFK, but the others can be E190. While the E190 is good for the short flights, we are just not getting the amount of hours out of them that we would like because they are doing a lot of short hops. So by adding a few longer flights (i.e.: currently serving AUS and TPA) we can start using the planes more.

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 62): We are really trying to expand the E190 flights. TUS would have to be an A320 flight if it came from JFK, but the others can be E190. While the E190 is good for the short flights, we are just not getting the amount of hours out of them that we would like because they are doing a lot of short hops. So by adding a few longer flights (i.e.: currently serving AUS and TPA) we can start using the planes more.

Wait just one minute - a few weeks ago, we heard that JetBlue was going to cut back on longer segments (ie, transcons) since the revenue generated by these longer flights was not suffecient. To solve this issue, JetBlue was going to start flying more shorter haul segment (ie, routes where an aircraft can do several turns per day) in order to increase revenue. Now, you are saying that the E190s are not flying enough hours (thus not producing enough revenue) on short haul routes and the answer is to add longer segments? I must admit that I am confused.

The two most recently announced JetBlue routes are long segments....JFK-CUN and JFK-AUA.......there are the cities mentioned in this thread, all long segments except for SRQ, and there is the Reno and Palm Springs rumors flying around (almost transcons).

Is JetBlues expansion going to focus on long haul or short haul?

Too many people are getting their hopes up on this thread.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 63): Now, you are saying that the E190s are not flying enough hours (thus not producing enough revenue) on short haul routes and the answer is to add longer segments? I must admit that I am confused.

I didn't say anything about revenue, strictly amount of flight hours performed by an a/c in a 24 hour period.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 63): Is JetBlues expansion going to focus on long haul or short haul?

I wouldn't classify them long haul...we are looking at a lot of short and mid-range flights. I am surprised to see TUS to be honest with you...then again I was surprised to see the connecting of BUR and MCO. Sometimes I get thrown for a loop LOL!!!

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 64): Too many people are getting their hopes up on this thread.

I agree. I seriously would not take someone's friend who works for B6 to be the most reliable source. No offense to the thread starter, but other B6 Crew Members on this thread have already stated that they have not seen such information already loaded into their software. In addition, B6 is smart enough to not release any information on future destinations until about a day before the formal announcement.

JetBluefan1

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 63): The two most recently announced JetBlue routes are long segments....JFK-CUN and JFK-AUA

well the JFK-CUN flight was actually planned already before our whole "Return to Profitability" plan took action. IIRC, we applied for the authority back in December i think. and our RTP plan commenced at the beginning of this year.

TUS is/will be a surprise if it is true. i really hope we'll start adding wisconsin in the near future. have friends up there i'd love to visit! Either MSN or MKE!

~B6FA4ever

This is totally off topic, but I kinda wonder why B6 hasn't shown any interest in MYR. Granted it isn't a business market, but I do remember Midway used to clean up in the winter time with all the golfers flying down from NYC, BOS that they upgraded from about 4x daily on a J32 to about 5x daily with CRJs. Seems like it would make a good candidate for 2X Daily from BOS and 1X Daily from JFK.

Quoting Jetbluefan1 (Reply 66): I agree. I seriously would not take someone's friend who works for B6 to be the most reliable source. No offense to the thread starter, but other B6 Crew Members on this thread have already stated that they have not seen such information already loaded into their software. In addition, B6 is smart enough to not release any information on future destinations until about a day before the formal announcement.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 64): Too many people are getting their hopes up on this thread.

My sentiments exactly.

I recall some years back that "well informed and reliable sources" were saying that DFW was next up on B6's route map. Now some 2 years later, do we see B6's planes @ DFW? I have a feeling that this is just another one of those "I have a friend who...." threads that shows up all too frequently here. Now, if I am wrong an B6 does begin a HOU flight then I will happily admit that I was wrong. Believe it or not I want B6 in H-Town as well.

Thomas

[Edited 2006-06-27 00:45:34]

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 64): Too many people are getting their hopes up on this thread.

Wha...? I was just on the way out to Hobby to buy me a ticket  

Not to stir the pot, but I just got off the phone with someone who has 2nd hand information (so for me it's 3rd hand) that SRQ has been loaded into the res system.


But as I've said before:

I'LL BELEIVE IT WHEN I SEE IT   

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 71): Not to stir the pot, but I just got off the phone with someone who has 2nd hand information (so for me it's 3rd hand) that SRQ has been loaded into the res system.

It is not in jetBlue's res systems.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 72): It is not in jetBlue's res systems.

I wouldnt be so confident MAH.

Quoting Werdywerd (Reply 61):

Quoting Werdywerd (Reply 61): I realize this. I work for B6 and just for kicks I've looked on our systems to see if it was prematurly added before an announcement, but I don't see it anywhere.

I also work at an airport. B6 will makes its final decisions probably before midweek. We all know that David is the man who will release the next generation.

B6 is very careful not to load before an announcement, so lets be patient.

Wendy you are cool though!

Quoting BillReid (Reply 74): Wendy you are cool though!

Thanks, But my name is not Wendy   

Quoting FA4B6 (Reply 73): I wouldnt be so confident MAH.

Hmm...looks as if SRQ was loaded into the system sometime today then.

Are HOU and TUS there as well?

JetBluefan1

Well I guess they will be happening. When will they annouce JFK-CUN! Will they announce it with these flights or seperate from them. They probably want to get it announced soon so they can start selling flights.

B6jfk  

The chances of TUS seem very slim to me. CO struggled with EWR-TUS even with connections. TUS is generally a low yield airport and I don't see B6 making a go of TUS. Even if they did announce TUS I would guarantee a red-eye return.

The online version of the Houston Chronicle has an article on JetBlue starting service between JFK and HOU on September 7th!

No mention of how many frequencies though. States that a press release will come out tmrw from B6.

Guess I was wrong, and looks like Tucson will be a daily A320.

here's the link to the Houston Chronicle article:

Article

the article says we'll offer 3x daily JFK-HOU...but no mention on what aircraft will be used.

~B6FA4ever

Quoting B6FA4ever (Reply 81): here's the link to the Houston Chronicle article: Article the article says we'll offer 3x daily JFK-HOU...but no mention on what aircraft will be used.

Hobby will see E-Jets.

Quoting B6FA4ever (Reply 81): the article says we'll offer 3x daily JFK-HOU...but no mention on what aircraft will be used.

Nice! This looks like one rumor that turned out to be true!

cheers,
Phil

1 down 2 to go. We all know the CUN should be announced shortly, but there are 5 suggested cities, and i am not sure that JetBlue will announce all those cities...does anyone think that six new cities is reasonable? STL, St. Maarten, St. Lucia, SRQ and TUC?

That is a lot!

Jason

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 82): Hobby will see E-Jets.

Dont be so sure. Hobby may see 3x A320. Why dont we all wait for the announcement to see.

HOU-JFK now bookable online- 3xA320


http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/060627/101317.html

Waits for SRQ announcement.

Mcofreak,

I guess you were right. HOU was the biggest surprise out of the 3, so I wouldn't be as surprised to see TUS and not at all surprised to see SRQ. My apologies!

JetBluefan1

Regardless of B6's actual plans, their service to TUS would be (a) successful and (b) highly utilized. I've often wondered if B6 would initiate service from IAD in fact because it would make oodles of money.

Consider the following:

(a) TUS has no low-priced service to the east coast. US, being a low cost airline, should have low-price fares to the east but they don't. Just ask any Tucsonan. Only WN comes close with a flight to BWI. The 1000's passengers are going to PHX for a reason, and it sure as heck isn't convenience. Make flights TUS-east coast reasonable and the passengers will flock, guaranteed.

(b) "CO's TUS-EWR route failed." This appears to be true, at least until the next winter season, but B6 is offering a different product. Per point a, CO's failure could be attributed to the route's high price versus going to PHX. I am a big CO fan, but low-price east coast service would be a huge boon.

(c) Whomever thinks TUS is a low-yield market has not checked prices lately. When I flew BWI-TUS a few weeks back the fare on CO was over $500. If B6 offered a routine sub-$400 fare on this route I bet they would sell out plenty of planes. This average fare would make it easily higher yield than the east coast-LGB flights.

(c2) It should also be noted that only leisure travellers originating from TUS and with lots of spare time go to PHX. It takes at least 2 hrs each direction, making this a 4+ hour addition to travel time. Most trips are in 18 passenger vans with low-back bench seating. For passengers who don't live in TUS, the travel time does not include getting to/from a hotel once arrived in TUS. So if someone has the $$ to stay at a nice TUS resort, they will not go to PHX. Ditto for business travelers, who conclude that saving $100 is not worth four hours of lost productivity in a 18 passenger van outfitted with low-back bench seating.

(d) Consider also that the rumor does not rule out an alternative LGB flight. Just about every airline flying into TUS right now has a flight to SoCal, and by most accounts these flights are always full. So B6 adding this route may make sense as well.

Quoting Werdywerd (Reply 75): Thanks, But my name is not Wendy

I may know something about the industry, but am a little blind at times.   

Well I am happy to say that this skeptic (myself) was wrong. While I would have preferred that B6 service IAH (10 miles from my home as opposed to that horrific 37 mile drive to HOU) than Hobby, I am still elated to see B6 in H-Town.

I normally make NY, 3 times a year and this give me an opportunity to try B6, which I have been wanting to do for some years now. Heck, I might try B6 on the way up and TZ (from LGA) for the flight back.

Thomas

[Edited 2006-06-27 22:49:53]

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 92): Well I am happy to say that this skeptic (myself) was wrong. While I would have preferred that B6 service IAH (10 miles from my home as opposed to the 37 horrific drive to HOU) than Hobby, I am still elated to see B6 in H-Town.

LOL Thomas--I'm happy as I stay off of 288 under the approach of HOU 12R, so I can spot from the comfort of my window.

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 93): LOL Thomas--I'm happy as I stay off of 288 under the approach of HOU 12R, so I can spot from the comfort of my window.

Lucky you.... but we on the 'North Side' still have all of the widebodies   , though I can not view them from my home as I am not under any approach of IAH's 5 runways.

Thomas

Well I guess my friend was not pullng my leg since all three were anounced...

Quoting Mcofreak (Reply 95): Well I guess my friend was not pullng my leg since all three were anounced...

Their is always some truth to every rumor!!!

SQR was really surprising but HOS and TUS were Expected.

Drew

Quoting Mcofreak (Reply 95): Well I guess my friend was not pullng my leg since all three were anounced...

Thanks for the scoop, Mcofreak...nice to know we have some good sources on this site! Some folks will be eating crow today...  

I don't get these one-flight cities. Unless they're getting ground services free, how do they expect to make money?

Quoting Bigdrewfl (Reply 96): Their is always some truth to every rumor!!! SQR was really surprising but HOS and TUS were Expected.

Why would SRQ be surprising??????

Although I am surprised it was an Airbus.