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Finnair Says: Bye Bye MD-80

Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:36 am

Finnair is replacing its fleet of Boeing (originally McDonnell Douglas) MD-80 twinjets with Airbus 319/320 and Embraer 170 aircraft. Environmental advantages such as lower fuel consumption and less noise are behind the change of fleet.

“We are investing in modern, economically advantageous and more environmentally friendly aircraft. Finnair will have the most modern aircraft fleet in Europe when we switch to the Airbus 319/320 and Embraer 170. Passengers are benefiting from the switch since it will be roomier, more comfortable and quieter on board,” says Christer Haglund, Senior Vice President Corporate Communications at Finnair.

The last flight from Arlanda on a Finnair MD-80 left the airport on Monday, July 3. For Captain Markku Arjamaa it was also his last flight after 33½ years of service at Finnair. The airline treated everyone to Finnish accordion music at the gate, and extra crew members wore historic Finnair uniforms. Once on board, passengers received meal trays including champagne.

source: www.arlanda.se
 
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RE: Finnair Says: Bye Bye MD-80

Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:46 pm

Quoting Robbie86 (Thread starter):
Finnair will have the most modern aircraft fleet in Europe when we switch to the Airbus 319/320 and Embraer 170

Well I certainly agree about the most modern SHORT-HAUL fleet in Europe, but am not sure about the long-haul fleet. Can anyone tell me how old those MD11s are? I suppose they are not that new and could easily raise the average age of their fleet.
 
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RE: Finnair Says: Bye Bye MD-80

Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:50 pm

http://www.airfleets.net/ageflotte/Finnair.htm

11.8years average for MD-11. Their new biz class seats are in, except I think in the ex-Virgin A343 they recently aquired.
 
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RE: Finnair Says: Bye Bye MD-80

Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:54 am

Nitpicking here;

AY got 319, 320, 321 and EMB 170 on the short-medium fleet.

Long haul MD-11 and 340-311 (from VS) Will there be 2 A343 from VS?

TLS are building the 343E for AY, right?

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RE: Finnair Says: Bye Bye MD-80

Fri Jul 07, 2006 4:02 am

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 3):
Long haul MD-11 and 340-311 (from VS) Will there be 2 A343 from VS?

Two brand new A343s coming next year, they have bought three new together.
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RE: Finnair Says: Bye Bye MD-80

Fri Jul 07, 2006 4:16 am

Kiitos, Andaman for the info.

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RE: Finnair Says: Bye Bye MD-80

Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:27 am

Quoting Salso (Reply 1):
Can anyone tell me how old those MD11s are? I suppose they are not that new and could easily raise the average age of their fleet.

Who gives a sh!! The MD-11 is around the same age as other airlines' 744s and 763/2s.... they are very modern and not to mention damn sharp!
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RE: Finnair Says: Bye Bye MD-80

Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:36 am

Quoting Boeingguy1 (Reply 6):
Who gives a sh!! The MD-11 is around the same age as other airlines' 744s and 763/2s....

You are right. Personally not the greatest fan of AY's MD-11s as a passenger but I have had worse moments on some old(er) dusty 747s. I can't see why an 'old' MD-11 would be worse than 'old' 747, for an example.

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RE: Finnair Says: Bye Bye MD-80

Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:12 am

Quoting Robbie86 (Thread starter):
“We are investing in modern, economically advantageous and more environmentally friendly aircraft. Finnair will have the most modern aircraft fleet in Europe when we switch to the Airbus 319/320 and Embraer 170.

So where did the old and less evironmentally friendly MD-80s go? To the Finnair subsidiary FlyNordic. From the FlyNordic website: The Boeing MD-80, a quiet, fuel-efficient twinjet entered airline service in October 1980. Its Pratt & Whitney JT8D-200 engines, combined with its efficient aerodynamic design, allow the MD-80 to meet all current noise regulations while producing operating costs among the lowest in commercial aviation.

Quoting Robbie86 (Thread starter):
Passengers are benefiting from the switch since it will be roomier, more comfortable and quieter on board,” says Christer Haglund, Senior Vice President Corporate Communications at Finnair.

Quieter on board??? Depends on seating. There are only two short or medium range planes which are quieter than the MD-80 up front in the cabin: The MD-90 and the B717. None of them in the Finnair fleet.

In the back, however, the MD-80 is no whisper jet.
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RE: Finnair Says: Bye Bye MD-80

Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:55 am

So - when will SK loose their MD-80's  Smile
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RE: Finnair Says: Bye Bye MD-80

Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:11 pm

Quoting Andaman (Reply 7):
Personally not the greatest fan of AY's MD-11s as a passenger but I have had worse moments on some old(er) dusty 747s. I can't see why an 'old' MD-11 would be worse than 'old' 747, for an example.

Did anyone (like me in this case) say ANYTHING about those MD-11's not being good looking, comfortable enough or being inferior to other older widebodies? I can't see that, even when reading between the lines. I was just wondering how OLD (or new for that matter) those were and if they could bring the average age of their fleet up or in any other way impact their 'most modern fleet in Europe' statement. It was just/only/nothing else than a question. And I only supposed they were not THAT NEW, that is why I was asking. I'm not bashing them. No reason to vent a spleen on me for that.
 
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RE: Finnair Says: Bye Bye MD-80

Sat Jul 08, 2006 6:52 pm

Salso, I'll let you know that there are people in the Finn. aviation circles that would like to see the MD-11 leave at once, as well as those that love the plane like their own family. The "ripple effects" of this is what you have experienced, I'm afraid.

The AY MD-11s may be the hardest working MD-11 in existence. The daily average MD-11 utilisation is 15 hours, whereas I've read that FedEx's is 8. Even small (2-3) hour tech delays may accumulate and lead to a nightmare scheduling situation, and during the last few months, some cancellations as well. At the same time tech crew is being cut back as officially "the new a/c will require less maintenance". That may be true, but there's already a considerable delay with the A350 AY ordered, so the less staff will have to cope day in day out for many years to come. I have a gut feeling this might not be ending well. Expansion is hard.
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RE: Finnair Says: Bye Bye MD-80

Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:25 pm

Quoting Bjornstrom (Reply 9):
So - when will SK loose their MD-80's

Around the time NW will loose it's DC9's  Wink
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RE: Finnair Says: Bye Bye MD-80

Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:00 pm

A shame! I loved flying up to RVN on those MD80s  Sad
 
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RE: Finnair Says: Bye Bye MD-80

Sat Jul 08, 2006 9:27 pm

AY have ordered 7 (I think) E190, which will have 100 seats. They converted options of the 76-seat E170 due to demand for more seats on some routes.

The E170 only has one lav and flies 2-3-hour routes... what do they do if the lav goes tech after take-off? Wonder if the E190 will have two laws...
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RE: Finnair Says: Bye Bye MD-80

Sat Jul 08, 2006 10:24 pm

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 14):
Wonder if the E190 will have two laws...

Yes, it does have two lavs. http://www.embraercommercialjets.com...ent/ejets/emb_190.asp?tela=layouts

Interestingly, so does the official E170, even in the 78-seat layout.
http://www.embraercommercialjets.com...ent/ejets/emb_170.asp?tela=layouts

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 14):
The E170 only has one lav and flies 2-3-hour routes

I don't know, but why should Finnair have removed the other lav?

This is an interesting read on the worldwide RJ market ingeneral
http://www.airfinanceconferences.com/conferences/latin05/alexglock.pdf
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RE: Finnair Says: Bye Bye MD-80

Sun Jul 09, 2006 3:53 am

Quoting WSOY (Reply 15):
I don't know, but why should Finnair have removed the other lav?

AY has put the stairs for the front exit where the forward lav usually is on the E170 and I was wondering if they would do the same on the E190 instead of sacrificing two seats in order to put the stairs onboard, like Embraer suggests...
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RE: Finnair Says: Bye Bye MD-80

Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:19 am

Ok, in that case I would reason they probably would like to keep it compatible to the E170 configuration, if being self-sufficient with the stairs has been their motive, so that they can use both types on the same routes with a fluctuating demand. Oozing out the last bit of value seems to be their policy, has always been.
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RE: Finnair Says: Bye Bye MD-80

Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:48 am

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 8):
So where did the old and less evironmentally friendly MD-80s go?

They disappeared into Finnair!!!!! Big grin Big grin Big grin

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RE: Finnair Says: Bye Bye MD-80

Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:24 am

Quoting Salso (Reply 10):
No reason to vent a spleen on me for that.

 Smile Now someone else is reading between the lines... ment to speak generally only, why some widebody would be better than an other. I am not in business and having no personal connection to any airline/aircraft.
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