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Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:54 pm

Not for the faint of heart...









Pictures by Gianfranco Beting of JetSite.
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:58 pm

terrible terrible terrible....

just tragic.

I notice a 777 in their .. I take it thats a leased plane and that will eventually ship out of their ??
Where are these pics taken ??

yet another legendary name slips into history...
 
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It Al

Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:01 pm

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 1):
I notice a 777 in their .. I take it thats a leased plane and that will eventually ship out of their ??

All of RG's fleet is leased, except for a pair of 727-100s owned by VarigLog (which used to be a subsidiary of RG until recently). There are at least 2 777s there, VRD and VRF are the ones I can spot.


Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 1):
Where are these pics taken ??

Looks like RG's maintenance centre at GIG.

[Edited 2006-07-11 10:03:15]
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:01 pm

Its tragic! RG, I'm so sorry it has come to this. My deepest sympathy.
All the best to the people of Varig, who brought life to a great airline!
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:07 pm

Well, these photos say more than a thousand words. That's sad indeed!   

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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:09 pm

Ok, here's all the parked aircraft:

737: PP-MND, SLW, MNI, VOO, VTB, VOW, VTN, MNK, VSB, VPC
757: PP-VTT, VTQ, VTR
767: PP-VOI
777: PP-VRA, VRB, VRC, VRD, VRF
MD-11: PP-VQF, VQH, VQX, VQJ, VTJ, VTH

Of the 777s, VRD, VRF and VRB have no engines.
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:11 pm

I counted five 777's and three MD-11's, I guess these planes will all find new homes. It is sad to see yet another one of the world's oldest carriers come to such an unfortunate demise. Commercial relaity is an awful thing... Sad
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:11 pm

any varig employee have any info as to varig being resurected??????flew on them from mia-gru on a dc10 back in the early 90s and enjoyed the trip alot....
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:14 pm

Theres a 757 in one of those pics... I never knew RG had these planes ?
Where were they operated too ?

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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:14 pm

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 4):
Well, this photos say more than a thousand words. That's sad indeed! worried

Very sad. I remember growing up in Rio in the early/mid-80s, I would go to GIG just to watch the big DC-10s, 707s and 747s and just be amazed at the magnitude and prestige RG held in those days. When you take the hyperinflation that afflicted Brazil in the 70s and 80s, RG was a model to be followed, the proof that you could run a successful business even with such a crap economy. It's sad to see them go.
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:15 pm

There's also this picture...

http://www.jetsite.com.br/fotos/HANGAR-RG-02072.jpg
http://www.jetsite.com.br/fotos/HANGAR-RG-02072.jpg

... giving a complete breakdown of the planes involved
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:15 pm

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 8):
Theres a 757 in one of those pics... I never knew RG had these planes ?
Where were they operated too ?

Those are, if I recall correctly, ex-IB birds. They were operated in domestic and South American routes.
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:19 pm

Quoting Antiuser (Reply 11):
Those are, if I recall correctly, ex-IB birds

That's it!
 
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:21 pm

Indeed they do - those pictures say more than 4000 words.
A very sad end  Sad
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:27 pm

So when is the 'official' Its all over announcement ??

Is this the entire 777/MD-11 fleet ?? or do they have a couple plying the LHR route still ??

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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It Al

Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:30 pm

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 14):
Is this the entire 777/MD-11 fleet ?? or do they have a couple plying the LHR route still ??

I think they still have like 5 MD-11s and 2 777s active, operating the few international routes they have left. I'm sure LipeGIG will have an accurate number.

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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:43 pm

I do not know much about this airline but these are very sad pictures also is this their entire fleet or are there more airplanes.my best to all of the employee's.  airplane 

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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:47 pm

It appears some of the aircraft have sustained damages due to their close proximity. Eg. It appears MD-11 PP-VQX has its tailcone smashed in.

A PP-VRA/B are the ILFC leased 772ERs so they should go to the highest bidder very quickly. Also PP-VRE and not pictured PP-VRF are ex-UA 772ERs so they should go fairly easy to place with any airline that operated PW-777s such as AI. The non-772ERs could be a problem.
 
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:53 pm

Quoting Nonfirm (Reply 16):
I do not know much about this airline but these are very sad pictures also is this their entire fleet or are there more airplanes.my best to all of the employee's.

Varig is the oldest Brazilian airline, they started operations in 1927 and grew steadily until the 90s when they began to stagnate. They were the top carrier in South America and one of the best in the world in terms of service in the 80s.

Their fleet (excluding freighters) as of October 2005 was:
8 777
14 MD-11
7 767
4 757
33 737


I've lost track of it in the past few week but their decline in the past year has been very noticeable. Last I checked (about a month ago), they had:
4 777
7 MD-11
3 767
4 757
30 737
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It Al

Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:59 pm

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 17):
It appears some of the aircraft have sustained damages due to their close proximity. Eg. It appears MD-11 PP-VQX has its tailcone smashed in.

It looks like those ones parked at the edge of the runway arent in a flyable condition anyway and were probably parked way before the current problems.

Note the open doors, missing panels on wings, missing engines and other stuff.

Infact, see reply 10 - a large number of the aircraft are missing bits and pieces.

[Edited 2006-07-11 11:04:47]
 
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:00 pm

It's all very sad indeed, however, I just wonder how the remaining fleet and operations sustain: I just looked on RG benelux site, and they still sell flights from/to CDG in August.. Do they still maintain a small fleet to fulfill their Star obligations? How long will this last? Is it safe to book them a few months ahead?
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:09 pm

one thing i remember the most was the recorded(or it seemed)voice of a person calling out the flight depts at GIG.....he or the computer voice seemed like a radio announcer announcing them.....even made the letterman show at one point...wonder if that voice is still around.....
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:23 pm

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 19):
Infact, see reply 10 - a large number of the aircraft are missing bits and pieces.

The 732s and 727s have been parked for a while. They retired the pax 732s a couple years ago.
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:37 pm

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 17):
It appears some of the aircraft have sustained damages due to their close proximity. Eg. It appears MD-11 PP-VQX has its tailcone smashed in.

The tailcone is hinged, and I think has just been left in its dropped position when the #2 (tail) engine has been removed.

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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:46 pm

I was supposed to fly with them with a LH ticket in September FRA-GRU-POA and back. I just hope the end comes soon so that LH will be able to rebook me without any problems.

Very sad indeed. My uncle's father (Rudy Schaly) was one of the founders of the company, working with Mr. Otto Mayer and Mr. Ruben Berta. I imagine he would be horribly sad to see this ending if he were still alive.

All the best for the crew of Varig. They were certainly among the world's best.

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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 7:03 pm

What sad pictures - at first glance, the pictures look like a bunch of model airplanes sitting on a table, I guess because all of the airplanes are bunched together and there is no real reference point to indicate scale.

Sadly, these airplanes are very very real......it does seem that even a few of the "better"" airplanes are in a poor state of repair, there will be many issues as the airplanes go back to their owners/lessors. There are some very valuable airplanes sitting there.....the 777s will find new homes (the GE powered ERs will be in demand, who will take the A market airplanes?) quickly and the MD11s will be grabbed up by a cargo carrier.

All of this is still hard to believe, another great name in airline history will soon be gone.
 
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Tue Jul 11, 2006 7:10 pm

Oh god that's depressing! To think I have seen most of the 777-200 active and flying and now look were they are!
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 7:18 pm

What a pity!

Here's a VARIG timetable from 1950:

 
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 7:34 pm

To be honest, I do not see the B727/B737 flying again.
 
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 7:53 pm

Wow, absolutely breathtaking. It's so sad to see things like this happen. It kinda hits it home when you see if affects other brands when you see the 767 and MD-11 in Star Alliance liverys sitting there as well.
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:02 pm

Quoting Airways1 (Reply 28):
Here's a VARIG timetable from 1950:

Dude, don't disappoint us! It's just a cover - I hoped you linked to a real timetable..  banghead 
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:25 pm

why would the 777's be engineless? would they have been removed for maintenance or would the engines be on serperate leases to the aircraft and have been sent back to the lessors?
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:33 pm

According to http://www.airfleets.net the active fleet currently consists of:

B737x25
B757x1
B767x3
B777x2
MD-11x4

Looks like they're losing planes fast... too bad, really.

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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:48 pm

I really hope Varig can find a investor, as i do not want to see them go.
If somebody can invest in Varig then hopefully most of those Varig aircraft that you see stored in those pictures at the top of this page can be returned to service with Varig. At LHR we have seen the 2 B777s PP-VRI/J which are now stored, and the Star Alliance B767-300 PP-VOJ during the past week.
 
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:28 pm

There was a 777 stuck on the ground at JFK a few weeks back in need of an engine replacement. Has that aircraft been fixed and moved from JFK? I thought that it had been re-possessed by the lessor?
 
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:32 pm

Now that Varig is under, who will take over the flights in Brazil will it be Tam?
 
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:40 pm

The pictures are absolutely sickening.

The sight of those once glorious bird, especially the 777 and MD11's, breaks my heart.

If they can't find a savior, I hope these planes will get new homes quickly so they don't just sit and rot.

Sad day indeed.
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:53 pm

Sad photos indeed. Let's hope Varig can come out of it. Don't want to see another great South American airline pass.
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Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:55 pm

What a sad and depressing montage of photos. VARIG, at one time embodied everything that was aviation. It was shared with the likes of British Airways, Qantas, and Singapore Airlines. Now we have nothing left but memories. Let us all try to remember the good times, and the days when VARIG was the airline to beat.
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:00 pm

Quoting Antiuser (Reply 2):
Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 1):
Where are these pics taken ??

Looks like RG's maintenance centre at GIG.

This area used to be Varig´s maintenance centre under VEM (Varig Maintenance & Engineering) control, and is located near to runway 28 threshold. Take a look:


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Photo © Bernardo Andrade



In November last year VEM was sold to Aero-LB, which is controlled by TAP. In other words, we would say that´s a TAP´s area.

[Edited 2006-07-11 15:15:45]

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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:34 pm

Such a sad site indeed.

No doubt the bulk of these birds will get placed with other airlines in short order, especially the 777's and 737's.
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It Al

Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:51 pm

WHAT WENT WRONG?
honestly, what happened to the company? I mean I was just looking at a picture from A.net of Varigs first class... looks like a good first class seat, although yes there are other airlines that are moving ahead, this one was probably one of the best when it first came out.

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Photo © Guilherme Bystronski - UK Airshow Review



thanks to Guilherme Bystronski for taking this photo and etching the history of this airline in stone... well ink.

May those airplanes find a home, which is hopefully with another airline and not just sitting around slowly rotting into the earth. plus I hope that the costumers and employee's come out of this situation fine.
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:26 pm

Long time of mismanagement is the reason and when they also received the competition from TAM and Gol with their new and fresh airplanes it is hard to compete with old and beaten up equipment. Flying at lot of unprofitable destinations doesn't help either. I am sad to see them go because they have been a factor to keep the fares at a decent level. Right now you have to pay and arm and a leg with other carriers from the U.S. to Brasil due to the fact that no person with sense takes the risk of a reservation with Varig. Even if saved by Varig Log the reduction from 11000 employees down to 2500 will mean fewer planes and routes so nevertheless Varig will never be what it use to be. I flew with them a month ago from MIA to GRU and then to GIG and back and the employees were in limbo not knowing what happened while they had been on layover in Miami. The planes used was a MD11 on the way down and the 767 in the Star Alliance livery on the way back. I am going back again in a couple of weeks but off course not on Varig at this time. TAM is now the premier airline to Brasil but their ticket prices has skyrocketed during the last few month and it also has become impossible to use the FF miles. Hopefully,some of the Varigs employees can find job opportunities with Tam, Gol and Ocean Air which all are expanding their networks.
 
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:29 pm

Wow, after seeing those pictures I fell into a deep nostalgy...

I can't believe how a Flag Carrier can end up like Varig, it seems incredible to me.

So, what's next? What's going to happen to the rest of their fleet that's still flying?

How depressing. Such a beautiful airline to end up dead.

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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:29 pm

I hope the people who screwed Varig out of business are happy with themselves!
 
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:59 pm

Is there nothing short of a miracle that could maybe help VARIG?? ... Won't Star Alliance or something help?? Maybe thats a silly question? lol

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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:08 am

Quoting Alaskaqantas (Reply 41):
WHAT WENT WRONG?
honestly, what happened to the company? I mean I was just looking at a picture from A.net of Varigs first class... looks like a good first class seat, although yes there are other airlines that are moving ahead, this one was probably one of the best when it first came out.

That is not Varig's first class, well it is, but that's UAL's FC, the plane was bought from UAL...
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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:46 am

Quoting Doona (Reply 32):
According to http://www.airfleets.net the active fleet currently consists of:

B737x25
B757x1
B767x3
B777x2
MD-11x4

Looks like they're losing planes fast... too bad, really.

Cheers
Mats

It's far worse than that! Latest data from Aerotransport.org (and corroborated by LipeGIG) suggests the active fleet is only this big (small):

8 x 733 (PP-VNZ, VON, VOY, VOZ, VPY, VQN, VTA, VTW)
2 x 734 (PP-VTL, VTN)
3 x 763 (PP-VOJ, VTC, VTE)
3 x M11 (PP-VTI, VTK, VTP)

Nordeste and Rio Sul are operating one aircraft each, last time I checked.

Muito triste...

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Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:59 am

Very sad really. Yesterday night the judge approved the VarigLog plans and announce the minimum bid (US$ 24 million only!) for the Auction, to take place on July 18. Today for the first time in more than 20 years, will be no GIG-BSB service, tomorrow, Varig will stop during a week their shuttle service SDU-CGH (the Rio-São Paulo service is the most profitable Brazilian route).

Important to say that LH is nowadays one of the most important partners for Varig as they are providing connections thru FRA to all Europe (this is why Varig is still running FRA, all pax with tickets to MAD, MXP and CDG goes thru FRA). Yesterday both flights departed with around 200 pax aboard.

Quoting Antiuser (Reply 2):
Looks like RG's maintenance centre at GIG.

Yes, at the end of runway 10-28 (the biggest in a Brazilian airport).

Quoting Antiuser (Reply 5):
Of the 777s, VRD, VRF and VRB have no engines.

VRB keep 1 engine, the other is at VRA. Rumors that ILFC is buying a new engine to replace it. The VRB missing engine could be explained by the incident over Atlantic in the beginning of this year, when VRA made an emergency landing at LPA due to engine problems. Varig made a C Check at VRA and when they need to do the same at VRB, they took also one engine from VRB allowing VRA to fly again.

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 8):
Theres a 757 in one of those pics... I never knew RG had these planes ?
Where were they operated too ?

RG use to run 4 752 on south American routes, all from ILFC and previously under IB colours. I'm trying to know where is PP-VTS (could be POA).

Quoting Antiuser (Reply 15):
I think they still have like 5 MD-11s and 2 777s active, operating the few international routes they have left. I'm sure LipeGIG will have an accurate number.

Only 3 MD-11 and 1 772 are active. PP-VRI has been grounded last week (probably the picture was taken before), one M11 is at BSB (due to a landing incident) and other IIRC is at T5 (Cargo Terminal).

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 21):
one thing i remember the most was the recorded(or it seemed)voice of a person calling out the flight depts at GIG.....he or the computer voice seemed like a radio announcer announcing them.....even made the letterman show at one point...wonder if that voice is still around.....

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Quoting Doona (Reply 32):
B737x25
B757x1
B767x3
B777x2
MD-11x4

This nowadays is very hard, but flying i could see: 1 763, 1 772, 3 M11 and no more than 3 734 and 6 733 (including 2 on shuttle service that will be stopped during July 12-July 18). I believe the last 735 has been grounded also.

Quoting Psimpson (Reply 33):
At LHR we have seen the 2 B777s PP-VRI/J which are now stored, and the Star Alliance B767-300 PP-VOJ during the past week.

Despite the info given, RG obtained an extension from Bristol to use PP-VRJ and it's still running. On Saturday, it runs GIG-FRA, Sunday, FRA-GIG, yesterday GIG-BSB-MAO-GRU and during the night i don't have info yet, but was not the aircraft used on GIG-FRA, (should be a M11 or 763 yesterday)

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RE: Varig's Current State - These Images Say It All.

Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:59 am

So where's PLUNA in all of this? Doesn't RG own a stake in them? Have they managed to move on unscathed from RG's problems? Insights please!

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