My Idea: NW/CO/DL Merger

billreid · Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:53 am

Here's an Idea take 30 Billion, combine NW, DL, And CO.

NW flies only International to the far east ONLY.
Continental flies only international to Europe ONLY.
Delta connects everything within America, is the domestic component ONLY.

NW Int gateways MSP, SEA, LAX, DTW, ATL
CO Int gateways ATL, EWR, IAH, DTW, MSP, JFK

DL Hubs ATL, EWR, DTW, IAH
DL Focus Cities CVG, SLC, CLE, MEM

Now thats a major airline system!

dtwclipper · Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:54 am

Quoting BillReid (Thread starter):
Here's an Idea take 30 Billion, combine NW, DL, And CO.

NW flies only International to the far east ONLY.
Continental flies only international to Europe ONLY.
Delta connects everything within America, is the domestic component ONLY.

NW Int gateways MSP, SEA, LAX, DTW, ATL
CO Int gateways ATL, EWR, IAH, DTW, MSP, JFK

DL Hubs ATL, EWR, DTW, IAH
DL Focus Cities CVG, SLC, CLE, MEM

Now thats a major airline system!

And you needed to start a new thread because.......

Tugger · Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:58 am

Noreltanental Airlines!

Now THAT is one hell of a good name (if I do say so myself).

Tug

billreid · Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:00 am

I started this thread as a response to all the lunacy about all the mergers between US and NW. Jeez, they haven't even got 25% of the US-HP merger done yet. So I created a dream.

1337Delta764 · Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:01 am

I don't think that they would continue to operate separately, and would prefer to consolidate as one. The airline would be called Delta and would combine all the destinations.

Hubs: IAH, ATL, EWR, MSP, DTW, SLC
Focus cities: CVG, JFK, MEM, CLE

Fleet
Embraer 190
Boeing 737-700
Boeing 737-800
Boeing 737-900
Boeing 757-200
Boeing 757-300
Boeing 767-200ER
Boeing 767-300
Boeing 767-300ER
Boeing 767-400ER
Boeing 777-200ER
Boeing 787-8
possibly Boeing 787-3

billreid · Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:02 am

Quoting Tugger (Reply 2):
Noreltanental Airlines!

That is wonderful!

Fleet Service · Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:02 am

Personally, I'd take the Thirty billion and flee to an island. Big grin

billreid · Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:08 am

Quoting Fleet Service (Reply 6):
Personally, I'd take the Thirty billion and flee to an island.

I can't do that because it isn't my own money. I think that is against the law unless the airline would be called Air Enron?

See, I truly believe it is great to build a great airline ...... but never ever use your own money just in case there are some speed bumps along the way!

litz · Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:13 am

Quoting BillReid (Reply 7):
I can't do that because it isn't my own money. I think that is against the law unless the airline would be called Air Enron?

Well, you forgot about the part where you insulate yourself against any wrongdoing by funnelling all the funds into a protected trust fund, so the creditors can't touch it ...

Then you take your 30bil and buy your three airlines (or your tropical island) ...

Oh wait ... that's Delta's previous management.

biggrin

- litz

jacobin777 · Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:14 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 4):
I don't think that they would continue to operate separately, and would prefer to consolidate as one. The airline would be called Delta and would combine all the destinations.

I think it would still be called CO..as CO has much more brand recognition around the world..

though I'm sure Keesje would dream of seeing this one day.. spin

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Alitalia744 · Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:21 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 9):
though I'm sure Keesje would dream of seeing this one day..

His dream is my nightmare!

bohica · Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:28 am

Quoting BillReid (Thread starter):
Here's an Idea take 30 Billion, combine NW, DL, And CO.

NW flies only International to the far east ONLY.
Continental flies only international to Europe ONLY.
Delta connects everything within America, is the domestic component ONLY.

NW Int gateways MSP, SEA, LAX, DTW, ATL
CO Int gateways ATL, EWR, IAH, DTW, MSP, JFK

DL Hubs ATL, EWR, DTW, IAH
DL Focus Cities CVG, SLC, CLE, MEM

Now thats a major airline system!

Put the crack pipe away. dopey

DL4EVR · Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:39 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 9):
I think it would still be called CO..as CO has much more brand recognition around the world..

And DL doesnt???? They're in Europe more than any other US carrier!

Jahmike · Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:46 am

I guess some people just live for stuff like this....

jacobin777 · Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:48 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 10):

His dream is my nightmare!

mine too...though I have to admit, that A346 looks REALLY nice in DL colours..!

Quoting DL4EVR (Reply 12):
And DL doesnt???? They're in Europe more than any other US carrier!

Not compared to CO it doesn't....

MastaHanky · Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:51 am

From what I've been hearing, Bill Gates is going to purchase all six of the majors in the US, and combine them into one huge carrier called Microsoft Air. 95% of travel in the US will occur in Microsoft Air.

The remaining 5% will be a bunch of tiny airlines which fly routes that are actually useful, their planes won't crash, and they will be much more efficient than Microsoft Air. Unfortunately, their insanely technical booking procedures will prevent most consumers from flying them.

goCOgo · Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:11 am

Can we change the title of this thread to "CO Merger Possibility # ‡

mariner · Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:28 am

Quoting BillReid (Thread starter):
Here's an Idea take 30 Billion,

So I am still not sure where the 30 billion is coming from?

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 9):
I'm sure Keesje would dream of seeing this one day.

It looks terrific. I'm with Keesje.

Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 16):
Can we change the title of this thread to "CO Merger Possibility # ?‡

Or - "CO Merger Fantasy"?

Smile

mariner

lincoln · Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:11 am

Quoting Tugger (Reply 2):
Noreltanental Airlines!

Now THAT is one hell of a good name (if I do say so myself).

I don't know about that... Conorta would be so much easier to say.

Then again, that sounds a little like a drug cartel.hmmm...

I hope it never happes, though.

Lincoln

joeman · Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:19 am

Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 16):
Can we change the title of this thread to "CO Merger Possibility # ‡

Folks must have fun speculating and trying to guess the future which history shows will evolve towards something probably much different than what exists today.

To keep the subject of these three airlines merging alive, new threads are started since there "might" be one new idea thrown into the mix like at the beginning of this one. But, from there on the repetitition starts, similar to but distantly less annoying or active as the never ending "Wright Amendment" threads for which there should be a separate website devoted.

OttoPylit · Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:46 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 9):
I think it would still be called CO..as CO has much more brand recognition around the world..

Quoting DL4EVR (Reply 12):
And DL doesnt???? They're in Europe more than any other US carrier!

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 14):
Not compared to CO it doesn't....

Sorry, Delta is larger, both domestically and internationally than CO. Feel free to count the destinations flown with own metal. It has been discussed in some of the CO/DL threads already and proven that DL is larger, domestically, and internationally, especially in Europe.

OttoPylit

SESGDL · Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:11 am

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 20):

Sorry, Delta is larger, both domestically and internationally than CO. Feel free to count the destinations flown with own metal. It has been discussed in some of the CO/DL threads already and proven that DL is larger, domestically, and internationally, especially in Europe.

I know, you're totally correct. But people seem to be insistant that CO would take over DL and crap like that. Pure speculation. If DL/CO were to merge, DL would be the carrier. DL has WAYYY more brand recognition than CO, in the US especially and also worldwide.

Jeremy

steeler83 · Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:55 am

I don't know which is sillier, this thread, or the whole shebang with T.O. blaming the media for his image...

centrair · Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:16 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 4):
Hubs: IAH, ATL, EWR, MSP, DTW, SLC
Focus cities: CVG, JFK, MEM, CLE

Hubs: IAH, ATL, EWR, MSP, DTW, SEA, NRT, GUM
Focus cities: CVG, JFK, MEM, CLE, SLC

SEA has more O&D and used to be huge NW ops and stil has a lot of it. SLC just doesn't cut it.

NRT is NW's Asian hub and would have to remain that as it is worth more money than you can imagine.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 4):
Fleet
Embraer 190
Boeing 737-700
Boeing 737-800
Boeing 737-900
Boeing 757-200
Boeing 757-300
Boeing 767-200ER
Boeing 767-300
Boeing 767-300ER
Boeing 767-400ER
Boeing 777-200ER
Boeing 787-8
possibly Boeing 787-3

I think it would be more like
E 190
737-700
737-800
737-900
757-200
757-300
777-200ER
787-3*
787-8
787-10*
777-300ER*
* Possibly

Reason: having 787-3 and -8 would defeat the purpose of the 767s. They are the repacement. Add the -10 (when offered) to offset 777s. Add the 777-300ER for NRT hub.

Call the airline:
1) BAAC (Big Ass American Carrier)
2) Triad
3) the Guild
4) Continental

alaska737 · Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:35 pm

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 10):
His dream is my nightmare!

i agree, that is horrid.

here's a merger idea for you, AS and HA, form Outcast Airlines and the tail people could fall in love. there express carrier could be a Half Eskimo Half Polynesian tail baby. Big grin

jacobin777 · Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:57 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 17):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 9):
I'm sure Keesje would dream of seeing this one day.

It looks terrific. I'm with Keesje.

I'm sure you are Mariner, I'm sure you are... Smile

vs773er · Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:43 pm

Quoting MastaHanky (Reply 15):
The remaining 5% will be a bunch of tiny airlines which fly routes that are actually useful, their planes won't crash, and they will be much more efficient than Microsoft Air. Unfortunately, their insanely technical booking procedures will prevent most consumers from flying them.

As a Mac user I find that comment highly insulting... (Funny tho!)

LawnDart · Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:22 pm

So, how do you make a million dollars in the airline industry? Well...

Quoting BillReid (Thread starter):
Here's an Idea take 30 Billion, combine NW, DL, And CO.

deputydawghere · Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:36 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 1):
And you needed to start a new thread because.......

Thank you.

PITA333 · Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:04 am

My Idea: A Perfect Airliners.net........ where all these meaningless merger threads would either A.) Become one thread or B.) Go away all together untill someone gets some cold hard facts.

SLCUT2777 · Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:18 am

Quoting Centrair (Reply 23):
SLC just doesn't cut it.

SLC is a MUCH BETTER central location in the western US (okay, maybe not as good as DEN) to operate a domestic hub. SEA lacks the runway capabilities and has too many NIMBY's who will fight further expansion as well as WN whining (and threatening to move to BFI) that the costs are too high. Anyhow even for international flights YVR is just up I-5, and is a much better airport than SEA-TAC.

Quoting PITA333 (Reply 29):
My Idea: A Perfect Airliners.net........ where all these meaningless merger threads would either A.) Become one thread or B.) Go away all together untill someone gets some cold hard facts.

This sums up my thinking about silly threads like this! Too many people playing with the crack pipe!

jacobin777 · Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:19 am

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 20):

Sorry, Delta is larger, both domestically and internationally than CO. Feel free to count the destinations flown with own metal. It has been discussed in some of the CO/DL threads already and proven that DL is larger, domestically, and internationally, especially in Europe.

I've never argued that DL has more destinations or isn't larger...I think CO's name is more recognised than that of DL... twocents

OttoPylit · Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:54 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 31):
I've never argued that DL has more destinations or isn't larger...I think CO's name is more recognised than that of DL...

Well, in Central and South America, I would certainly agree with you, I just feel otherwise elsewhere.

We'll just agree to disagree on this point.

OttoPylit

bobnwa · Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:07 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 9):
think it would still be called CO..as CO has much more brand recognition around the world..

Do you really think that CO has more brand recognition than DL in Asia, Europe, South America, the Middle East, Africa, etc. I don't think so! Not even in the U. S.

jacobin777 · Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:30 am

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 32):
Do you really think that CO has more brand recognition than DL in Asia, Europe, South America, the Middle East, Africa, etc. I don't think so! Not even in the U. S.

yes (for the most part)

and..

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 32):

We'll just agree to disagree on this point.

yes......

Garri767 · Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:58 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 34):

Jacobin777 From United States, joined Sep 2004, 5939 posts, RR: 12
Reply 34, posted Wed Jul 19 2006 18:30:32 UTC+2 and read 43 times:

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 32):
Do you really think that CO has more brand recognition than DL in Asia, Europe, South America, the Middle East, Africa, etc. I don't think so! Not even in the U. S.

yes (for the most part)

and..

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 32):

We'll just agree to disagree on this point.

yes......

to make it fair, i searched Airline logo on an image search on google. first three US airlines that came up were , NW , CO, and DL.

I guess the debate will just have to settle at a draw.

Garri767

SESGDL · Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:27 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 31):
I've never argued that DL has more destinations or isn't larger...I think CO's name is more recognised than that of DL...

Not even close. Especially not in the US, where it's most important. The number of people who fly Delta (more than double that of Continental) speaks for itself. Delta is much more well-known that Continental.

Jeremy

b777a340fan · Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:54 am

A possible merger amongst DL/NW/CO would be nonsensical! Well not to mention that it would put thousands on the unemployment list, the "new" airline would be too big for UAL/AA to compete with. I don't think any merger court/investor would ever approve such move. I think that a possible merger would be one "healthy" airline with a "struggling" airline.

Amongst the healthy ones: AA, UAL, CO
Amongst the struggling ones: NW, DL

Mix and match, flip a coin, spin a bottle, anything... rotfl

SLCUT2777 · Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:17 am

Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 37):
Amongst the healthy ones: AA, UAL, CO

UA might be out of Chapter 11, but they are far from being healthy!

bobnwa · Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:05 am

Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 37):
Amongst the healthy ones: AA, UAL, CO
Amongst the struggling ones: NW, DL

I believe that DL and NW are healthier than UA even though they are in bankruptcy.

jacobin777 · Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:28 am

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 36):
Not even close. Especially not in the US, where it's most important. The number of people who fly Delta (more than double that of Continental) speaks for itself. Delta is much more well-known that Continental.

I was talking only about "recognisable" names..has nothing to do with number of boarding passengers or revenue...DL boards more pax and has more revenue than even SQ**...does that make DL more globally recognisable than SQ? Doubt it..

**sources:DL and SQ websites.....

b777a340fan · Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:05 am

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 39):
I believe that DL and NW are healthier than UA even though they are in bankruptcy.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 38):
UA might be out of Chapter 11, but they are far from being healthy!

And that is based on.....? To me, UAL is at least doing something right. It seems to be expanding and from the little research that I've done so far, it has turned into a profitable company.

[Edited 2006-07-20 00:14:06]

northwestEWR · Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:12 am

If Northwest, Continental and Delta merged the fleet would look something like this right after the merger. Including regional partners the new airline would operate about 2,286 aircraft !

76 - A319 CFM
78 - A320 CFM
09 - A330-200 PW
11 - A330-300 PW
03 - ATR-42
12 - ATR-72
16 - Avro RJ-85s
44 - B1900D
24 - 737-200
48 - 737-300
63 - 737-500
36 - 737-700
171 - 737-800
12 - 737-900
03 - 747-200 PW
13 - 747-200SF PW
16 - 747-400 PW
172 - 757-200 PW
41 - 757-200 RR
16 - 757-300 PW
17 - 757-300 RR
10 - 767-200ER GE
24 - 767-300 PW/GE
59 - 767-300ER PW/GE
37 - 767-400ER GE
18 - 777-200ER GE
08 - 777-200ER RR
49 - Cessna 402C
400 - CRJ-100/200 !!!!!
67 - CRJ-700
12 - Dash-8-100/200 some not yet in service with Freedom Air for DL
99 - DC-9-30
12 - DC-9-40
34 - DC-9-50
20 - DC-10-30
19 - EMB-120
16 - EMB-170
46 - ERJ-135
275 - ERJ-145
120 - MD-88
16 - MD-90
64 - Saab 340
Total : 2286 !!!!!
Thats a lot of aircraft !!! Note : This includes aircraft operated by regionals for DL/NW/CO.

b777a340fan · Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:15 am

Quoting NorthwestEWR (Reply 42):
If Northwest, Continental and Delta merged the fleet would look something like this right after the merger. Including regional partners the new airline would operate about 2,286 aircraft !

I doubt the "big" company would retain every single aircraft.

northwestEWR · Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:17 am

No of course they wouldn't but at the moment the merged they would have all those aircraft.

SLCUT2777 · Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:19 am

Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 41):
And that is based on.....? To me, UAL is at least doing something right. It seems to be expanding and from the little research that I've done so far, it has turned into a profitable company.

Profitable confused

? My

A$*! UAL lost over $300 million 1st quarter out of Chapter 11, and you call that profitable? They had 3.5 years to get things reorganized and right and as far as I can tell, they screwed the pooch royally!

haggis79 · Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:30 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 14):
Quoting DL4EVR (Reply 12):And DL doesnt???? They're in Europe more than any other US carrier!

Not compared to CO it doesn't....

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 31):
I think CO's name is more recognised than that of DL...

well, I think for Germany at least, this is not true... Delta had this highly successful "Synchronisation"-commercial in Germany in the mid-90s (the one with the "Adiemus"-music) and I think most people will remember that ad when hearing or reading "Delta Airlines". As opposed to that "Continental" is only known with people who are frequent flyers or aviation maniacs Wink

.

SESGDL · Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:54 am

Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 46):
well, I think for Germany at least, this is not true... Delta had this highly successful "Synchronisation"-commercial in Germany in the mid-90s (the one with the "Adiemus"-music) and I think most people will remember that ad when hearing or reading "Delta Airlines". As opposed to that "Continental" is only known with people who are frequent flyers or aviation maniacs Wink.

I would agree that that is the case in most places. In most places in Europe and North America Delta is more known than Continental.

Jeremy

NASCARAirforce · Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:57 am

If they keep all those planes they could be called "Noreltanentaloflot Airlines"

letsgetwet · Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:05 am

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 20):
Sorry, Delta is larger, both domestically and internationally than CO. Feel free to count the destinations flown with own metal. It has been discussed in some of the CO/DL threads already and proven that DL is larger, domestically, and internationally, especially in Europe.

Continental serves 137 International destinations with their own metal. What's the # for Delta? As far as Germany goes, Continental serves 4 cities, how many does Delta serve?

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