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Pre 9/11 - CO Considered STN-EWR Shuttle?

Sat Jul 22, 2006 6:32 am

I remember prior to the events of 9/11, there were rumours abound that CO were considering launching a STN-EWR 'Shuttle' using ETOP's approved 738's.

While in todays economic and fuel imposed tough operating conditions, such a venture is unlikely to be profitable, how do you think this might have performed?

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RE: Pre 9/11 - CO Considered STN-EWR Shuttle?

Sat Jul 22, 2006 6:38 am

A shuttle operation would have been interesting. Guaranteeing availability on a such a long sector would be difficult. It isn't like CO has a ton of planes sitting around for this in STN. The shuttle services betwen LGA and BOS work since they are both big stations for US and DL. However the idea of making it as easy as just going to the airport from EWR or STN might have worked out. It is a fairly high capacity route in general. But premium cabins are very important. I don't know how they would have done it unless the planes only has business class.
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RE: Pre 9/11 - CO Considered STN-EWR Shuttle?

Sat Jul 22, 2006 6:49 am

This is the first I heard of a EWR-STN "Shuttle"........firstly, the 738s would struggle with this route......why is everyone convinced that CO wants to use 737s on transatlantic operations, they dont! And, how would bizFirst work in a Shuttle arrangment? CO makes lots of money selling those expensive seats upfront.

The operation that you mention almost sounds like the LAKER operation of years ago....which is certainly not CO's niche.

The EWR-STN route was launched in June 2001 and was doing OK (not great, just OK) and exceeding expectations although it probably was not yet profitable. The STN service was quickly cancelled after 9/11 due to the downturn in traffic and the fact that CO needed the 752 elsewhere (remember CO quickly retired their DC10 fleet after the attacks). Although there have been rumors about CO returning to STN, it has not happened and CO has settled in at LGW and awaits the opportunity to fly into LHR. Its unlikely that CO will return to STN with any type of service, Shuttle or otherwise.
 
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RE: Pre 9/11 - CO Considered STN-EWR Shuttle?

Sat Jul 22, 2006 6:50 am

Didn't CO operate a very short lived EWR trip to Stansted a few years back with a 757 ? Or was that Luton ? I seem to remember it being one of the 2.
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RE: Pre 9/11 - CO Considered STN-EWR Shuttle?

Sat Jul 22, 2006 6:57 am

Quoting Falcon flyer (Reply 3):
Didn't CO operate a very short lived EWR trip to Stansted a few years back with a 757 ? Or was that Luton ? I seem to remember it being one of the 2.

Service to STN was operated in the Summer of 2001, with it being cancelled immediately after 9/11.
 
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RE: Pre 9/11 - CO Considered STN-EWR Shuttle?

Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:22 am

This "Shuttle" thing is a figment of someone's imagination. Stansted was just another second division Continental port across the water, like Lisbon or Birmingham. They would be as likely, then or now, to operate a "Shuttle" to Stansted as they would to Hamburg or Barcelona. Bonkers fantasy, that's all. Next.
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RE: Pre 9/11 - CO Considered STN-EWR Shuttle?

Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:28 pm

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Thread starter):
there were rumours abound that CO were considering launching a STN-EWR 'Shuttle'

The only time I ever heard that rumor, was reading this posting.
 
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RE: Pre 9/11 - CO Considered STN-EWR Shuttle?

Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:00 pm

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 5):
Stansted was just another second division Continental port across the water, like Lisbon or Birmingham.

I disagree. NYC-LON has signifcantly more traffic potential than NYC-HAM or BCN, and is one of very few international routes that could sustain this level of frequency. I dont know of any other international route where there is so much competition, demand, yield or growth potential.
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