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What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:03 am

Many, many years from now, 787s will begin meeting their maker. The question I'm pondering is, "How?" Currently aircraft skins/wings are chopped up and sold as scrap aluminum. What will be the fate of these plastic tubes? Can there be any use for them after they're no longer fit to fly?
 
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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:07 am

Quoting SlimChance (Thread starter):
Can there be any use for them after they're no longer fit to fly?

We willbe drinking beer from large plastic cans....
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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:33 am

Many kinds of plastics are shredded up into fibers and recast with more resin into things like car bumpers. Not sure if that can be done with the particular CFRP of the 787.
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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:39 am

Wow, the first 787 retirement thread.

Dare I say there will still be NW DC-9s flying around?
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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:44 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 1):
We will be drinking beer from large plastic cans....

Wouldn't be the first time. Carling had some plastic cans in the 70s. I believe it was a test market item. I think it was a flop, considering there are no longer around.

Quoting Boeing757/767 (Reply 3):
Dare I say there will still be NW DC-9s flying around?

That would be cool! I flew on a 1969 vintage NWA DC-9-30 last night and it was great as usual. In another 20 years I bet someone will be flying a DC-9, probably not for passengers, but cargo for sure.
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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:46 am

Maybe by then we all will be able take to the air to fly ourselves with a personal device,(sort of like a jet ski on the water) the FAA will have designed a system where we all won't hit each other as were whisking along at .80 mach to our destinations... Who would need a big flying tube with groups of people in them??  airplane   bigthumbsup 

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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:56 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 1):
We willbe drinking beer from large plastic cans....

The bigger the better!!!!  drunk 

Quoting Boeing757/767 (Reply 3):
Wow, the first 787 retirement thread.

Could not agree more, but it is a very good question. how can you recycle CFRP???? or what can you do with it........ besides XXL beer cans...

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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:57 am

Quote:
Maybe by then we all will be able take to the air to fly ourselves with a personal device,(sort of like a jet ski on the water) the FAA will have designed a system where we all won't hit each other as were whisking along at .80 mach to our destinations... Who would need a big flying tube with groups of people in them??

People who can't afford one of theire own. Instead of trains, busses, now the ''old'' 777's/A380's/ 747's will be jused as massa transport between 2 cities? Who knows?
 
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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 7:54 am

Quoting Boeing757/767 (Reply 3):
Wow, the first 787 retirement thread.

Dare I say there will still be NW DC-9s flying around?

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:05 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
Many kinds of plastics are shredded up into fibers and recast with more resin into things like car bumpers. Not sure if that can be done with the particular CFRP of the 787.

High intensity sound waves are also used to disentegrate some types of fiber/resign materials.

The resulting material can either be recycled or disposed (in more convienient manner) depending on the original material. Boeing must have done LCA into this matter, so perhaps we may hear something before too long.

Also keep in mind that the CFRP structure is expected to last a verrrry high number of cycles, and the 787 is being overbuilt to please conservative buyers. Plus, the 787 has very open system architecture to allow easy upgrades. We may see the 787 like the DC-8 are now, flying decades after decades.
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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:13 am

Quoting SlimChance (Thread starter):
What will be the fate of these plastic tubes?

They'll make razor-blade holders out of them. Big grin
 
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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:51 am

Don't worry. Iran will have nuclear weapons by then and will be throwing them out of A380 cockpit windows. There will be no need for recycling by then unless your morph into a cockroach!
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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:27 am

Quoting Boeing757/767 (Reply 3):
Wow, the first 787 retirement thread.

Not exactly. See https://www.airliners.net/discussions...neral_aviation/read.main/2481554/, where Keesje quoted a news article:
And at the end of the jet's life span, it will be "a very simple thing" to dispose of the 787's composite pieces, he said. They could be ground up and reused for things such as roadbeds. Aircraft metal, on the other hand, is not so easy to recycle, Bair said, because the aluminum alloys used in jets contain elements that are "not the sort of things you want in your beer cans.
 
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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:40 am

Quoting Areopagus (Reply 12):
Not exactly. See https://www.airliners.net/discussions...neral_aviation/read.main/2481554/, where Keesje quoted a news article

Dang. Sad
Well, at least I start the first thread that was SPECIFICALLY about 787 retirement.  Smile
 
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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:16 am

Quoting Areopagus (Reply 12):
And at the end of the jet's life span, it will be "a very simple thing" to dispose of the 787's composite pieces, he said. They could be ground up and reused for things such as roadbeds.

This is what I've read as well. I seem to recall reading something about it in Boeing's newspaper when it was still called the 7E7.
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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:16 am

Quoting SlimChance (Thread starter):
787s will begin meeting their maker

An excursion to visit Alenia, Fuji and Mitsubishi, then?
Anyway, it's safe to say that the 787 is a product of intelligent design.

[Edited 2006-08-03 03:33:12]
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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:17 am

WHEW!!!

So this is a thread about the 787 aircraft when they've been around the block (or over the pond and back, heheh)

For a second there, I thought "scrap" meant that Boeing was going to cancel the whole thing! I was poised to ask, "what the hell?!?!?!"
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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:02 am

Quoting Areopagus (Reply 12):
Not exactly. See https://www.airliners.net/discussions...neral_aviation/read.main/2481554/, where Keesje quoted a news article:

There was another one before that too, asking the same question as this one. People were pointing to the Beech Starship as an example, and I distinctly remember someone saying they burned composites to destroy them.
 
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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:10 am

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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:13 am

A plastic 787 house Big grin

Should offer higher humidity levels Big grin
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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:22 pm

They will be sold to GM and made into Saturns.
 
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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:31 pm

Actually I think you can 'unwind' all the little fibers, dip them in resin and just wind them back up again...
 
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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:47 pm

Well, people will be angry at me, but I won't be angry at them as I am joking, but this might arrive soon.
I'm sure a couple of 787s will crash during test flights, so we will soon see what they do with the broken plastic tubes... Who thinks the 787 can actually fly???  yes 

Disclaimer : this is a joke!

Quoting Boeing757/767 (Reply 3):
Dare I say there will still be NW DC-9s flying around?

Yes there will, and in turn, when NW will retire their last 787, oil will be gone.
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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:48 pm

Quoting Boeing757/767 (Reply 3):

Dare I say there will still be NW DC-9s flying around?

When the last NW 787 is flown to mothballs, the pilots will fly home on a DC-9. The salvageable parts will be carried off in a DC-8........
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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:49 pm

Some a/c wind up as razor blades. The 787 will become credit cards.
 
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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:53 pm

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 23):
Quoting Boeing757/767 (Reply 3):

Dare I say there will still be NW DC-9s flying around?

When the last NW 787 is flown to mothballs, the pilots will fly home on a DC-9. The salvageable parts will be carried off in a DC-8........

and the DeH. Comet will be brought out of retirement and put back into service only this time with all the pressurization problems fixed and get the attention it should have got!  Big grin
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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:47 pm

Quoting SlimChance (Thread starter):
What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

The first A380 should just about be entering service with Singapore Airlines  Smile
 
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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:49 pm

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 23):



Quoting Amazonphil (Reply 25):

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 
 
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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:14 pm

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 22):
I'm sure a couple of 787s will crash during test flights,

mmmmm... joking about a plane crashing is in very poor taste.
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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:51 pm

By that stage, Air France may even be considering updateing their livery......
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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:45 pm

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 20):
They will be sold to GM and made into Saturns.

 Smile


No doubt by then they will be also be parallel branded into Saabs, Subarus, Opels, and a chrome inlaid Cadillac version too

P-
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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:10 pm

We already have aircraft which have some coposite components, like the A-300, with a number of them retired, so how do they deal with them? Some will have those components removed and reused as parts for other aircraft. Some countries (like Germany) have recycling requirements for many products, includng I assume, aircraft so recycling plans should be in place.
 
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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:32 am

Saw a bit on TV just the other day about the Beechcraft Starships(?) that were bought back. They are being shredded and headed to a landfill in the trash.
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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 2:37 am

Quoting Areopagus (Reply 12):
, Bair said, because the aluminum alloys used in jets contain elements that are "not the sort of things you want in your beer cans.

This is a quote I have a problem with. Having owned a stage lighting company for 20 years, we have on occasion encountered a mishap here and there that resulted in a ruined piece of truss. Truss is made out of one of the the highest grades of aircraft aluminum. We sell it as scrap to an ALCOA recycling center! They know exactly what it is and have never said a thing about it.

Since ALCOA is located in my home town, I have several relatives working in the pot rooms where they melt orr and scrap. They tell me that each part of the alloy separates and they can easily recycle anything that has aluminum in it.

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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:02 am

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 20):
They will be sold to GM and made into Saturns.



Quoting Parabolica (Reply 30):
No doubt by then they will be also be parallel branded into Saabs, Subarus, Opels, and a chrome inlaid Cadillac version too

Hence the SAAB automobiles slogan: "SAAB: BORN FROM JETS"  biggrin 
 
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RE: What Happens When A 787 Is Scrapped?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:13 am

Quoting BA380 (Reply 29):
By that stage, Air France may even be considering updateing their livery......

Or at least consider washing them.....
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