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LH In CLT

Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:50 am

Today when I was coming home from Atlanta, I saw the LH A340 take off and that got me wondering, how are the loads to and from CLT? IF they are any good, is there any chance we might be able to see a 747 or maybe a A340-600?

While i'm on CLT and international routes, do you think any other airline could or want to come to CLT. Personally i don't understand why more don't come here, because CLT is USAirways's busiest airport and they have connections just about anywhere you would want to go in the States.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.
 
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RE: LH In CLT

Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:08 am

Quoting AT777 (Thread starter):
IF they are any good, is there any chance we might be able to see a 747 or maybe a A340-600?

CLT won't see a 747-400, as LH's 744's all are based at FRA. All of LH's longhaul MUC flights are operated with A340's (-300's and -600's). The A340-600 could happen, though.

Quoting AT777 (Thread starter):
Personally i don't understand why more don't come here, because CLT is USAirways's busiest airport and they have connections just about anywhere you would want to go in the States.

Because Charlotte isn't all that big of a local market. And what local traffic there is, is controlled heavily by US Airways. CLT would see more carriers and more diversity of carriers if it were a larger market or if it were not so heavily controlled by US Airways. But the city is growing, though, so that should help in the future.

In most cases, airlines don't care about other airlines' connections, unless you're an alliance partner (as Lufthansa is).

[Edited 2006-08-09 02:09:20]
 
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RE: LH In CLT

Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:14 am

Quoting AT777 (Thread starter):
Personally i don't understand why more don't come here, because CLT is USAirways's busiest airport and they have connections just about anywhere you would want to go in the States.

1. What is the population / economical importance of CLT ? How does that translate in terms of high-yield o&d?
2. Aren't the US transatl flights enough to fill that -supposedly- fairly low demand?
3. CLT is US's #2 hub, PHL is not so distant and has even more connections, and within Star Alliance IAD is huge and again in the same region of the US (broadly speaking)
4. Hubs one has when he wants to go to the US on Star Alliance : ORD, IAD, SFO, DEN (intercontinental???), PHL, JFK (although shrinking), YYZ. Where can't you go from all these places?

So who could potentially come to CLT? LX? SK? OS? There are more important markets that they don't serve...
AC? Perhaps... In winter maybe...
SQ? NH? Asiana? TG? You must be kidding...
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RE: LH In CLT

Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:18 am

Thanks for your comments N670UW.

It just sucks not having anymore international carriers, becasue I like to look at other planes like 747's 777's and other big aircraft. Personally it gets kind of old looking at the same old 737's or CRJ or A320's..you get my drift.
 
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RE: LH In CLT

Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:24 am

Thanks for you comments YULwinterskies, but I am serious. I'm sorry I don't know as much as obviously you do.

1. What is the population / economical importance of CLT ?

Well CLT is only the 2nd largest banking center behind NYC in the States if no the world.
 
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RE: LH In CLT

Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:27 am

Quoting AT777 (Thread starter):
Personally i don't understand why more don't come here, because CLT is USAirways's busiest airport and they have connections just about anywhere you would want to go in the States.

While connections are important, Lufthansa serves a ton of airports already in the United States and almost all the airports served from CLT are served from other Lufthansa gateways in the United States via Star Alliance partners. One other thing not to forget is how good of a relationship United and Lufthansa have. The two airlines share revenue on flights between Germany in the United States, so I would think that LH probably prefers its original partner of United anyway, which has big hubs in IAD and ORD.
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RE: LH In CLT

Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:46 am

I see the Lufthansa A340 fly over my house quite often this time of year. In fact not that long ago I saw a A340-600 instead of the usual 300's fly by. They must have used as a substitution. The last I head about them, their loads were stronger then expected and the route is doing well. So maybe in the future the 600's will be used.
 
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RE: LH In CLT

Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:13 am

Quoting AT777 (Reply 3):
It just sucks not having anymore international carriers, becasue I like to look at other planes like 747's 777's and other big aircraft. Personally it gets kind of old looking at the same old 737's or CRJ or A320's..

My only ray of sunshine was the seasonal all white cargo 747 that came in at like 4 am. We would be closing up our RON's and that guy would come in. Now I have ORD man is it better than CLT for checking planes out. (Thanks to some UAL buddies for bringing me up on the BMI 330 also)

I always had wondered about that LH flight. I was trying to ID90 on that flight for a long time to no avail. So it seems to do good.
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RE: LH In CLT

Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:21 am

Well I hope it keeps doing well. I don't want to see another International airline leave. Do you think most of LH's success is to the BMW plant in GSP?
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RE: LH In CLT

Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:26 am

I think we'll see SAS or THY there @ CLT. Maybe SQ could do a 5th freedom route through MAN.

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RE: LH In CLT

Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:30 am

Quoting AT777 (Reply 4):

Well CLT is only the 2nd largest banking center behind NYC in the States if no the world.

World? Not even close.

It is the 2nd biggest banking centre in the US thanks to the headquaters of Bank of America and Wachovia. That significance is over-played, because reality is that the international business for those banks are usually done elsewhere, namely New York City.
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RE: LH In CLT

Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:36 am

I think TK will come to CLT. We'll see.

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RE: LH In CLT

Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:45 am

Beeing No 2 behind NY doesn't say anything about its significance.

Its more like NY is the US banking centre and the rest of the US also has some high street banks. Charlotte is the biggest banking cetntre out of the out of the rest.
 
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RE: LH In CLT

Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:03 am

The front of the plane does very well out of CLT. In fact, some months CLT often has the highest F seat load factor out of all of LH's US gateways (although, it only has 8 seats a day to fill). Banking and automotive customers are the main reason that LH is in CLT. The back of the plane fills up in the summer, but is very difficult to fill in the winter time. That's why CLT-MUC is reduced to 3-weekly for the winter schedule. Not sure what the plan is for this next winter. Overall, the flight does well, but I would not expect to see any upgrades in equipment in the near future. The A346 was brought in once due to a canceled flight the day before.
 
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RE: LH In CLT

Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:10 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 11):
I think TK will come to CLT. We'll see.

I hope that was a joke

Honestly i don't think any other airline will come to CLT in the near future. Look at PHL, that is US prime translantic gateway with much more O&D. There has yet to be anyone else besides LH enter the market, and LH was there well before the alliance.

Many of the Star carriers are not deeply entrenched in the US and only serve the largest destinations. BMI, LOT, SAS, Austrian, Swiss, Tap all have relatively minimal presence in the US.
 
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RE: LH In CLT

Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:12 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 11):
I think TK will come to CLT.

Huh? Since when. Unless there are a ton of Turks in NC that I am unaware of.

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 11):
We'll see.

Indeed.
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RE: LH In CLT

Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:15 am

Yeah I saw the A 340-600 in CLT on June 21st, 2006. But they were unable to park it directly at a Gate and they left in front and had 3 stairs on the left side and the people were walking to the terminal.
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RE: LH In CLT

Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:23 am

Charlotte will reach a milestone with $2 Trillion in assets later this year when Wachovia is expected to complete its acquistion of Golden West Financial.


Charlotte is clearly in second place but far from reaching New York for the top spot for biggest banking cities by total assets. Here are the top ten.

1.New York- $3.1 Trillion
2. Charlotte- $1.9 Trillion
3. San Francisco- $559 Billion
4.Seattle- $357.9 Billion
5. Cleveland $249.8 Billion
6. Chicago- $225.6 Billion
7. Minneapolis- $209.9 Billion
8. Atlanta $183.3 billion
9. Birmingham, Ala. $180.5 Billion
10. Pittsburgh $133.1 Billion
 
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RE: LH In CLT

Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:46 am

Quoting RyeFly (Reply 17):
Charlotte will reach a milestone with $2 Trillion in assets later this year when Wachovia is expected to complete its acquistion of Golden West Financial.


Charlotte is clearly in second place but far from reaching New York for the top spot for biggest banking cities by total assets. Here are the top ten.

1.New York- $3.1 Trillion
2. Charlotte- $1.9 Trillion
3. San Francisco- $559 Billion
4.Seattle- $357.9 Billion
5. Cleveland $249.8 Billion
6. Chicago- $225.6 Billion
7. Minneapolis- $209.9 Billion
8. Atlanta $183.3 billion
9. Birmingham, Ala. $180.5 Billion
10. Pittsburgh $133.1 Billion

Total assets really doesn't signify much in terms of banking business. Somebody would laugh if you suggested Cleveland or Seattle were bigger "banking cities" than Chicago.
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RE: LH In CLT

Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:47 am

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 14):
Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 11):
I think TK will come to CLT. We'll see.

I hope that was a joke

..I agree, I don't see any new international carriers visiting CLT anytime soon, let alone, TK

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RE: LH In CLT

Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:50 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 11):
I think TK will come to CLT.

Mmmmmnnnnnoooo...

Talk about a snowball in hell.
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RE: LH In CLT

Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:56 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):

Total assets really doesn't signify much in terms of banking business. Somebody would laugh if you suggested Cleveland or Seattle were bigger "banking cities" than Chicago.

 checkmark  ...not a chance are Cleaveland and/or Seattle larger banking cities than Chicago

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 20):
Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 11):
I think TK will come to CLT.

Mmmmmnnnnnoooo...

Talk about a snowball in hell.

...lol, I've never heard that expression before. But you're right, there is no chance.

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RE: LH In CLT

Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:27 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
Total assets really doesn't signify much in terms of banking business. Somebody would laugh if you suggested Cleveland or Seattle were bigger "banking cities" than Chicago.



Quoting Ordryan28 (Reply 21):
...not a chance are Cleaveland and/or Seattle larger banking cities than Chicago

Don't worry guys...if you apply the same formula at work here (number of company headquarters in a city multiplied by the assets of those companies), Chicago might be the largest aerospace city in the world!  Wink
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RE: LH In CLT

Wed Aug 09, 2006 1:48 pm

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 2):
3. CLT is US's #2 hub, PHL is not so distant and has even more connections, and within Star Alliance IAD is huge and again in the same region of the US (broadly speaking)

What are you talking about?

The US hub at CLT is 20% larger than the US hub at PHL and almost twice as big as the UA hub at IAD.
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RE: LH In CLT

Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:09 pm

Quoting MesaMXORD (Reply 7):
I always had wondered about that LH flight. I was trying to ID90 on that flight for a long time to no avail. So it seems to do good.

Look at MUC-CLT as a corporate flight for BMW and you don't have to wonder any more  

[Edited 2006-08-09 12:12:18]
 
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RE: LH In CLT

Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:38 pm

Quoting GBan (Reply 24):
Look at MUC-CLT as a corporate flight for BMW and you don't have to wonder any more

Which suggests it might be a candidate for a changeover to a Privatair 737 or A319 BBJ, should LH want to free up a long range aircraft for other routes such as India or China in the future.
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RE: LH In CLT

Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:52 pm

Quoting GBan (Reply 24):
Look at MUC-CLT as a corporate flight for BMW and you don't have to wonder any more

I think that's a really simplistic view of things. Look at Daimler Chrysler. They fill (on their shuttle) what, maybe 50 daily seats between STR and Michigan. That's a far stronger link than the BMW link. Spartanburg is just a plant, nothing more. There's more to this flight's success than that. Obviously, BMW contributes to the flight's success, but if it were a BMW shuttle, they'd be flying to GSP (boy, that would be a sight).
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RE: LH In CLT

Thu Aug 10, 2006 12:31 am

In addition to BMW there are over 150 German firms with offices in the CLT area.
 
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RE: LH In CLT

Thu Aug 10, 2006 12:59 am

Quoting AT777 (Reply 8):
I've been to ORD a couple of times and love it there. I stayed at the Hyatt there at the airport about a year ago and it was awsome.

That is a Hilton, The OHare Hyatt is off Manheim/Des Plaines River Road..some 2-3 miles away.
 
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RE: LH In CLT

Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:02 am

it gets boring spotting at jfk you get 2 JBU then maybe a 767 2 JBU then a 744 you know.... JFK has too many A320's coming in
 
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RE: LH In CLT

Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:28 am

Charlotte is a big German town. It's in Mecklenburg County, a German queen. Actually the same one Charlotte is named after - Queen Charlotte Mecklenburg. Lots of Germans and communities of German origin. It's not really a VFR flight but that also helps.
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RE: LH In CLT

Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:39 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 9):
I think we'll see SAS or THY there @ CLT

SAS as in SK? I don't think so. SK is currently making changes in their structure so that they may save $300 million. So no SK in CLT.
 
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RE: LH In CLT

Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:50 am

An A340-300 I think will be the only equipment you will see operating the MUC-CLT route for the moment... The majority of the traffic is connecting on to US Airways' network through the the Star alliance network. The route is really there to compliment US Airways' FRA-CLT service and as US lack equipment to operate the same route from MUC, Lufthansa operate it for them. FRA boasts a bigger market than MUC and I notice LH do not operate FRA-CLT and leaves this to US.

Im not convinced CLT can attract much international traffic, from foreign carriers. I think the curent flights from LGW, FRA and MUC compliment CLT very well and there is not really much of a need for anymore European flghts. As CLT boasts good domestic connections and people can get to CLT with only one connection either in Europe or in US.

CLT in it's own right is not really a major market, it may be the second biggest banking centre and a major city in the US. But it is just one of those destinations that is not atall well known outside of the USA.

It was the same for BA as it is for LH now... When BA operated the route a number of years ago, they had very close ties with US Airways and a lot of the traffic was connecting through CLT.

It is unlikely any other European Star Alliance carriers will fly to CLT, other than LH the other airlines only fly to 3-5 major US destinations and I am pretty sure it they launched new routes they would serve other major US Cities before CLT.
 
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RE: LH In CLT

Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:45 am

Quoting DVA1989 (Reply 29):
it gets boring spotting at jfk you get 2 JBU then maybe a 767 2 JBU then a 744 you know.... JFK has too many A320's coming in

Guess this falls under the "grass is always greener..." section.
The sheer variety of airlines and aircraft serving JFK is incredible. Not only does it get all the majors (ie. BA, KL, AF, SQ, CX) but many "exotics" in North American terms. For example: HY, AT, FI, 6H, BG, VV to name a few.

Back to CLT, unlikely it will see anything new except maybe a BA B763 route from LHR in the long term.

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RE: LH In CLT

Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:46 am

Lh in clt is just like Korean Air in atlanta or Air France in cvg.
 
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RE: LH In CLT

Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:37 am

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 12):
Its more like NY is the US banking centre and the rest of the US also has some high street banks. Charlotte is the biggest banking cetntre out of the out of the rest.

One of the biggest reasons of LH's presence in CLT is the entire BMW Involvement and Investment in this region (ie.Spartanburg, SC which is about 65mls SW of CLT). This is also major reason that this flight has his origin in MUC and not FRA. Not only is it BMW which is involved in NC/SC, it is also an
entire Tier 1 Automotive Supply Chain Group with over 50 suppliers, the majority of them is actually from Germany (ie. Bosch, Behr, Siemens VDO - you name it). LH has a great load factor on these flights when it comes to freight. F and C Class are nicely booked trough the year, due to the Management of these companies travelling MUC - CLT. BMW has a contract with LH - so has Siemens. These companies have seat alocations on these flights and normally get 15 to 25 % in discounts.DHL has serious plans to
get a 767 freighter in there, once the new euro hub in Leipzig (another BMW Plant Location) has been opened up. By the way, before CV flew in to Huntsville the Daimler Chrylser Group had heavy freight loads on LH's CLT Flight too.
 
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RE: LH In CLT

Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:54 am

Well I want to think everyone for their comments.

I know I don't know as much as more than half of you guys, but that's why I ask these questions.

If you think they are stupid, i'm sorry.
 
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RE: LH In CLT

Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:00 am

Now I don't know how the FRA flight is doing from CLT, but if it is doing well and US needs an A333 for another route or a new one, would that be a chance that LH brings in a 747?
 
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RE: LH In CLT

Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:03 am

Quoting AT777 (Thread starter):
While i'm on CLT and international routes, do you think any other airline could or want to come to CLT.

hmm... Well, unless there are a lot of Panther, Bobcat, or NASCAR fans in Europe, I think this a business destination. So Fortune 500 companies based in CLT:

Bank of America - Has branches in China (along with shares in China Construction Bank), India, Brazil, and Mexico

Duke Energy - domestic

Family Dollar (supermarket) - domestic

Goodrich Corporation (aerospace) - nothing that I'm aware of internationally

Lowe's (hardware stores) - Canada (very small)

Nucor (steel) - nothing I'm aware of

Sonic Automotive (car dealers) - domestic

SPX Corporation - who?

Wachovia (bank) - domestic

So, in short, only 2 future members of Star would be tempted by CLT for business and noone else would be tempted period for connections when they can fly to PHL and feed off the O&D traffic.
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RE: LH In CLT

Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:20 am

As I've read the above posts, I must add my .02 cents. CLT will see an international carrier, just not from Europe or Asia. Think south. I had the opportunity to converse with a rep. from the chamber of commerce and she mentioned that they would need major $$$$ from companies to entice LH to come the CLT. They must have gotten dough. I think this route would be best served with an A330.

Piercey:

Goodrich is a major supplier for Airbus, in fact they have a huge building in TLS. Their Challenger is always going overseas. Wachovia & BOA aren't just your small southern hick banks anymore. They fly to Europe often, especially Bank of America. Granted they use one of their many G5s.
 
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RE: LH In CLT

Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:43 am

Quoting B764 (Reply 39):
As I've read the above posts, I must add my .02 cents. CLT will see an international carrier, just not from Europe or Asia. Think south.

Would you be able to tell us who that might be? LA,MX?
 
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RE: LH In CLT

Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:51 am

I don't have specifics, but if I remember correctly Mexicana has filed for flight rights in the past, so I'd assume they would have a head start on Aeromexico. I'm suprised it hasn't happened already.
 
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RE: LH In CLT

Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:58 am

I could see that. There is a very large Mexican population here.

Thanks B764
 
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RE: LH In CLT

Thu Aug 10, 2006 12:05 pm

Quoting B764 (Reply 39):
Goodrich is a major supplier for Airbus, in fact they have a huge building in TLS.

Really? I thought they just supplied Boeing. Well, I guess you learn things.

Quoting B764 (Reply 39):
Wachovia & BOA aren't just your small southern hick banks anymore.

Agreed. Call me crazy, but if the stars align right, I could see an Asian carrier in CLT within the next six years.
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RE: LH In CLT

Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:06 am

Quoting Piercey (Reply 38):
Duke Energy - domestic

Duke Energy has thousands of employees in Canada and Latin America where they run power plants and gas lines.

Goodrich is a global aviation supplier with employees in every continent except Africa and Antartica.

Nucor is the nations largest steel company and has operations in Australia and Brazil.

Wachovia has over 40 international offices with the largest amount of international employees in London and Hong Kong.
 
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RE: LH In CLT

Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:21 am

Quoting Piercey (Reply 43):
Agreed. Call me crazy, but if the stars align right, I could see an Asian carrier in CLT within the next six years

A lot can happen in 6 years and we have no way of knowing what it will be, but as it stands now the only East coast cities that receive asia service are JFK, IAD, and ATL(?).

ATL and JFK can be in a class of their own and IAD is on par with PHL i would say. I know I am making some generalizations but with regards to connections and number of international destinations currently served. That is a high class to be in and CLT isn't at all close to that point. Now like I said a lot can happen in 6 years, but for CLT to see Asian service a lot really does need to happen.

Quoting AT777 (Reply 37):
Now I don't know how the FRA flight is doing from CLT, but if it is doing well and US needs an A333 for another route or a new one, would that be a chance that LH brings in a 747?

If US ever dropped CLT-FRA which i highly doubt they would, it would be very unlikely for CLT to see a 744 on LH, probably a A343 or A333/A332

Quoting Cltguy (Reply 27):
In addition to BMW there are over 150 German firms with offices in the CLT area.

Out of curiousity have all these German business and banking companies been in the CLT area for a while. Because if they have and there still is little international service then something tells me the market is just not there. If there was a market I think someone especially US who dominates the place would catch on.
 
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RE: LH In CLT

Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:25 am

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 45):
Out of curiousity have all these German business and banking companies been in the CLT area for a while. Because if they have and there still is little international service then something tells me the market is just not there. If there was a market I think someone especially US who dominates the place would catch on.

CLT has had non-stop service to London for 18 years, Frankfurt Germany for 16 years, and non-stop service to Munich for over 2 years.

By far Germany has the largest international presence in the CLT area with 150 companies. Japan has 73, and United Kingdom has 72.

If USAirways had more long range planes than it currently does it would probably have more international flights out of CLT. As it stands right now it makes more sense to have most of their Europe based flying out of PHL.
 
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RE: LH In CLT

Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:29 am

Lest we forget Lufty used to fly to Charlotte from Frankfurt with the 747-200, en route to Houston. Admittedly it was a combi, but a 747 is a 747.

(Sorry if it's been mentioned above.)
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RE: LH In CLT

Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:32 am

Quoting N670UW (Reply 1):
CLT would see more carriers and more diversity of carriers if it were a larger market or if it were not so heavily controlled by US Airways. But the city is growing, though, so that should help in the future.

What do you mean, more diversity of carriers if it were not heavily controlled by US Airways? If there's anything that the PIT dehubbing has taught us, it's that you won't see a whole bunch of carriers rush in to serve these allegedly now "underserved" ex-hubs. Sure, WN came in and put a few flights on but nothing even approaching what used to be. Given that CLT has even less O&D than PIT (if I recall correctly), CLT would be in an even worse situation were it to be dehubbed.

Fortunately, CLT is in a great location (second-best spot for an SE USA hub) and US is a bit more stable than it used to be... so I think CLT can breathe easy  Wink

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RE: LH In CLT

Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:44 am

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 48):
What do you mean, more diversity of carriers if it were not heavily controlled by US Airways? If it wasn't heavily controlled by US Airways, there'd be the better part of four empty concourses - B, C, D and E. The O&D that CLT has would not support any sort of major "diversity" from any other carriers - there's less O&D there than in PIT. If US Airways somehow hypothetically didn't control CLT, the airport would most likely see no overseas service at all.

No, there probably wouldn't be international service.

However, until the last year or so since FL and B6 entered, CLT's non-US Airways carriers have been basically just the other legacies, each with a dozen or so flights to their midwestern and eastern hubs.

I'd imagine without the US Airways hub, CLT would probably look similar to what RDU does now. I imagine Southwest would be in CLT, maybe Frontier, etc.

I'm aware LH wouldn't be there without the US Airways hub, I was more talking about additional capacity/service from domestic carriers.

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