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Egyptair's Initial B738 Schedule Revealed

Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:46 am

Egyptair have updated their W06/07 timetable to reflect the arrival of the first 2 new B737-800s which will be delivered in Oct06 and Nov06.



The first B738 (SU-GCM) will be used on flights to Frankfurt Main (FRA). At the moment the daily CAI-FRA-CAI service (MS785/786) is served with the A320.

The schedule for FRA from 29/10/06* is:

CAI FRA MS785 1234567 10:30/14:10 4hr40min 0 B738
FRA CAI MS786 1234567 15:10/20:20 4hr10min 0 B738


* this date may be brought forward depending on the arrival of SU-GCM.




The arrival of the second B738 (SU-GCN) in late November will see flights to Casablanca (CMN) and Tunis (TUN) being changed from A320 to B738 from 01/12/06 and 02/12/06 respectively.

CMN and TUN flight schedules will be:

CAI TUN --3-5-7 MS843 19:00/21:30 3hr30min 0 B738
TUN CAI --3-5-7 MS844 22:30/02:30+1 3hr00min 0 B738


CAI CMN -2-4-6- MS847 19:10/23:05 5hr55min 0 B738
CMN CAI -2-4-6- MS848 00:05/07:00 4hr55min 0 B738




These are the initial updates so expect more B738 destination/service announcements in due course.







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RE: Egyptair's Initial B738 Schedule Revealed

Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:44 am

And the winners are.......FRA,TUN and CMN .
Thanks Horus for the update , can't wait to see the real photos of these beauties on A.Net .
 
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RE: Egyptair's Initial B738 Schedule Revealed

Sat Aug 12, 2006 5:33 am

Well CAI-CMN will become an all B738 route since AT also use the same aircraft on their 6x weekly services.

On a side note AMC Airline's second B738 should also be arriving in September (before MS's).

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RE: Egyptair's Initial B738 Schedule Revealed

Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:56 am

Are they only equiped with business and economy classes ? And how many seats in each class do they have ?
 
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RE: Egyptair's Initial B738 Schedule Revealed

Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:53 pm

So SU-GCN will be the only aircraft to fly to TUN ?

Tunisair will continue to use A320s as it has no alternative  Wink
 
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RE: Egyptair's Initial B738 Schedule Revealed

Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:57 am

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 3):
Are they only equiped with business and economy classes ? And how many seats in each class do they have ?

They will be equipped with C and Y class but I still don't know the actual breakdown.

Quoting TS-IOR (Reply 4):
So SU-GCN will be the only aircraft to fly to TUN ?

TUN will get SU-GCM too.

Quoting TS-IOR (Reply 4):

Tunisair will continue to use A320s as it has no alternative Wink

As long as they increase frequency I don't mind  Smile


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RE: Egyptair's Initial B738 Schedule Revealed

Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:11 am

Great news for MS. They have been a long time Boeing operator. If the FRA route is profitable, they could put a order for 4 739ER's. It would be perfect for high density routes that dont warrant the capacity of an A332 or 772ER.

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RE: Egyptair's Initial B738 Schedule Revealed

Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:30 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 6):
Great news for MS. They have been a long time Boeing operator. If the FRA route is profitable, they could put a order for 4 739ER's. It would be perfect for high density routes that dont warrant the capacity of an A332 or 772ER.

It's definitely great news for MS and re-inforces their relationship with Boeing (especially after the B767 crash 'disagreement'). Having said that don't expect to see B739ERs in MS colours. The 4 A321s MS currently have would suffice.

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RE: Egyptair's Initial B738 Schedule Revealed

Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:41 am

Quoting Horus (Reply 7):
The 4 A321s MS currently have would suffice.

Maybe they could replace them with 739ER's. It would offer MS better performance and range.

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RE: Egyptair's Initial B738 Schedule Revealed

Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:04 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 8):
Maybe they could replace them with 739ER's. It would offer MS better performance and range.

MS's A321's are not that old and are not due for replacement any time soon , they are only 9 years old (new) .
Egypt Air's fleet is historically one of the most diversified in the region with A320,A321,A330,A340,B737,B777 + Embraer coming soon along with the B747's and the A300's that retired within the last 2 years .
 
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RE: Egyptair's Initial B738 Schedule Revealed

Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:26 am

FRA one of my Favorite Cities, will be first to welcome the new MS Bird.
thats great news, thanks for the news Horus.

Quoting Horus (Reply 5):
They will be equipped with C and Y class but I still don't know the actual breakdown.

I Think both C and Y will be Enough on such aircraft, we will see how it's gona go.
 
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RE: Egyptair's Initial B738 Schedule Revealed

Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:41 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 8):
Maybe they could replace them with 739ER's. It would offer MS better performance and range.

The 4 A321s (SU-GBT/U/V/W) were all delivered in 1997 so they won't be up for replacement for quite a while (the 4 B735s and 5 early-build A320s would be replaced first). When MS does consider the A321 replacement it will probably coincide with the launch of Airbus and Boeing's next generation narrowbodies.

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
Egyptair have updated their W06/07 timetable to reflect the arrival of the first 2 new B737-800s which will be delivered in Oct06 and Nov06.

A fourth B738 destination has been announced today, Jeddah (JED).

The late evening CAI-JED-CAI rotation, which up until now has been operated with A320s during the winter will see the B738 when SU-GCM arrives.

The schedule for that late JED rotation from 29/10/06* is:

CAI JED MS663 1234567 22:40/01:40+1 2hr00min 0 B738
JED CAI MS664 1234567 02:40/03:50 2hr00min 0 B738
**


* this date may be brought forward depending on the arrival of SU-GCM.
** even though the B738 is scheduled to operate MS663/664, the A332 will operate some of these services during the busier periods.



Therefore based on this schedule and that of FRA, SU-GCM will have 2hr20mins between its arrival from FRA and departure for JED. Between 03:50 (arrival time from JED) and 10:30 (departure time for FRA), I'd expect the aircraft would do one of the early CAI-SSH/HRG/LXR-CAI rotations.



Also as stated in the threadstarter TUN and CMN will become B738 destinations when SU-GCN arrives, however both these services are late evening/red-eye operations so I'd expect over the next few days the day time schedule for SU-GCN will be announced. It'll most probably be a European destination ... perhaps FCO/ATH/IST ... or maybe a new destination...

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 9):
Egypt Air's fleet is historically one of the most diversified in the region with A320,A321,A330,A340,B737,B777 + Embraer coming soon along with the B747's and the A300's that retired within the last 2 years .

Well there's no doubt MS has had one of the most 'colourful' fleets of any airline. In the 90s we had B732s, B735s, B762s, B763s, B777s, B743s, A320s, A321s, A300s, A342s. An extraordinary collection considering the fleet numbered 30. At the moment the airline has A32Xs, A332s, A342s, B735s and B772s, but this should become A32Xs, A332s, B738s, B777s and ERJ-170s* by the end of the decade.

*subject to an order being placed off course

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 10):
FRA one of my Favorite Cities, will be first to welcome the new MS Bird.
thats great news, thanks for the news Horus.

Izzayak ya Tut! 3amel eh ya habibi Big grin

FRA is an excellent start point. It's the most important MS European destination still served with narrowbodies so it's a great move to make it the launch destination. Also the airline has put more emphasis on the German market his winter. MUC services increase from 1 to 5x weekly flights (wow), and DUS and SXF services both go from 1 to 2x weekly flights.

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 10):
I Think both C and Y will be Enough on such aircraft, we will see how it's gona go.

Well they will definitely have C class because it's offered on FRA, TUN, CMN and JED B738 flights. Now regarding the cabin configuration, the similarly sized A320s have 2. SU-GBA/B/C/D/E/F/G are 10C/134Y and IIRC for SU-GBZ/GCA/B/C/D its 16C/122Y. I'd expect the B738 cabin breakdown to be similar to the newer A320s.


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RE: Egyptair's Initial B738 Schedule Revealed

Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:59 am

Quoting Horus (Reply 11):
Also as stated in the threadstarter TUN and CMN will become B738 destinations when SU-GCN arrives, however both these services are late evening/red-eye operations so I'd expect over the next few days the day time schedule for SU-GCN will be announced. It'll most probably be a European destination ... perhaps FCO/ATH/IST ... or maybe a new destination...

Well the next B738 destination has just been announced and it's neither a European or new city. It is in fact Abu Dhabi (ABU).

From 01/12/06, which will coincide with the delivery of SU-GCN, the daily AUH flight will be on the B738 (usually daily A320 during winter.)

The flight schedule will be:

CAI AUH MS914 1234567 09:00/14:15 3hr15min 0 B738
AUH CAI MS915 1234567 15:15/17:15 4hr00min 0 B738



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[Edited 2006-08-14 01:00:14]
 
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RE: Egyptair's Initial B738 Schedule Revealed

Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:07 am

Quoting Horus (Reply 12):
It is in fact Abu Dhabi (ABU).

AUH = Abu Dhabi Nadia International. (OMAA)
 
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RE: Egyptair's Initial B738 Schedule Revealed

Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:40 am

SU-GCM will fly daily to JED, after the turn around from the FRA rotation, whereas SU-GCN will fly to AUH after the TUN or CMN rotation, aircrafts are then 100% used  Wink
 
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RE: Egyptair's Initial B738 Schedule Revealed

Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:43 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 13):
AUH = Abu Dhabi Nadia International. (OMAA)

Indeed it is. I'll blame the A.net finger fairies for that error  Wink

Quoting TS-IOR (Reply 14):
SU-GCM will fly daily to JED, after the turn around from the FRA rotation, whereas SU-GCN will fly to AUH after the TUN or CMN rotation, aircrafts are then 100% used Wink

For SU-GCN:

The aircraft departs CAI for FRA at 10:30, arriving back at 20:20
She then departs CAI for JED at 22:40, arriving back at 03:50+1

There is a significant gap between 03:50 and 10:30, and I'd expect the aircraft to do one of the early CAI-LXR/SSH/HRG-CAI sectors


For SU-GCM:

The aircraft departs CAI for AUH at 09:00, arriving back at 17:15
For 3 days of the week she would then depart CAI for TUN at 19:00, arriving back at 02:30.
For the other 3 days of the week she would depart CAI for CMN at 19:10, arriving back at 07:00.

So on the 3 days she does CAI-AUH-CAI-CMN-CAI the aircraft will be fully utilised. However when she does CAI-AUH-CAI-TUN-CAI the aircraft would be on the ground from 02:30 and 09:00, so I'd imagine on these days the aircraft would again do one of the early CAI-LXR/SSH/HRG-CAI sectors. On Mondays when the aircraft only does CAI-AUH-CAI, I'd imagine the long downtime will be used to do any necessary engineering checks.


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RE: Egyptair's Initial B738 Schedule Revealed

Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:51 pm

Quoting Horus (Reply 11):
Izzayak ya Tut! 3amel eh ya habibi

A7san menak :P

Quoting Horus (Reply 11):
Well they will definitely have C class because it's offered on FRA, TUN, CMN and JED B738 flights. Now regarding the cabin configuration, the similarly sized A320s have 2. SU-GBA/B/C/D/E/F/G are 10C/134Y and IIRC for SU-GBZ/GCA/B/C/D its 16C/122Y. I'd expect the B738 cabin breakdown to be similar to the newer A320s.

well we soon going to find out exactly how it's going to be
 
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RE: Egyptair's Initial B738 Schedule Revealed

Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:16 am

Airlines like AB, HF, BJ...fully use their fleet during Summer season, with night checks during short turn-arounds of 1 or 2 hours at dusk  Wink
 
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RE: Egyptair's Initial B738 Schedule Revealed

Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:28 am

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 16):
A7san menak :P

Touché

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 16):
well we soon going to find out exactly how it's going to be

Well when order was placed last year the news release suggested it would be configured with 159 seats. That's seems unlikely but I'll find out the exact number/breakdown soon.

Quoting TS-IOR (Reply 17):
Airlines like AB, HF, BJ...fully use their fleet during Summer season, with night checks during short turn-arounds of 1 or 2 hours at dusk Wink

Luckily Egyptair's subsidiary, "EgyptAir Maintenance & Engineering Company", has it's own engineering facilities at CAI which mean checks can be done in a short period whilst the aircraft is at base.


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RE: Egyptair's Initial B738 Schedule Revealed

Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:23 am

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
The first B738 (SU-GCM) will be used on flights to Frankfurt Main (FRA). At the moment the daily CAI-FRA-CAI service (MS785/786) is served with the A320

This may seem like a silly question, but what advantage would the 737-800 have here over an A-320??
 
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RE: Egyptair's Initial B738 Schedule Revealed

Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:27 am

wouldnt the 737-800 be good to use on their west african services and increase their frequency instead of having
CAI-LOS-ACC-CAI
CAI-ACC-LOS-CAI
CAI-KAN-LOS-CAI
example of KAN is served 2 weekly A330 via LOS, it could be served 5weekly 737-800 to give passengers more flexibility
 
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RE: Egyptair's Initial B738 Schedule Revealed

Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:49 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 19):

This may seem like a silly question, but what advantage would the 737-800 have here over an A-320??

There's no such thing as a silly question.

Well there's no doubt both the A320 and B738 are excellent aircraft offering almost identical capacity and economies. So far all the B738 routes announced are currently served with A320s (AUH is during the winter). I've been led to believe that the B738 (with winglets) performs marginally better on sectors over 4 hours.

In regards to FRA as I said earlier it's the most important MS European destination still served with narrowbodies so it is a logical move to use these brand new single aisle aircraft on such a prime route.

Quoting Soups (Reply 20):
wouldnt the 737-800 be good to use on their west african services and increase their frequency instead of having
CAI-LOS-ACC-CAI
CAI-ACC-LOS-CAI
CAI-KAN-LOS-CAI
example of KAN is served 2 weekly A330 via LOS, it could be served 5weekly 737-800 to give passengers more flexibility

West African operations have always been with widebodies. In the 90s they used the B767 (200 and 300) on flights to ACC/ABJ/KAN/LOS and then the AB6 in the early 2000s and the A332 from 2005. It's extremely unlikely that the B738/A320 will ever be deployed to these destination for 2 main reasons;

1. Heavy cargo demand (and luggage) which will be significantly restricted if the B738 is deployed.
2. Premium demand. Business (Horus) class offered on the A332 is far more superior than that offered on a narrowbody (i.e A320/B737). Downgrading a product which is in heavy demand will have a detrimental effect.

I appreciate that the B738 will mean greater frequency whilst offering similar capacity but it's not suited to this market.


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RE: Egyptair's Initial B738 Schedule Revealed

Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:05 am

Great news to see the first 738 in MS colours. I haven't followed the MS 737NG order but what was the reason for MS to go for the 738 instead of the A320? Is this so MS can see how both the A320 and 738 operated against each other for a potential larger order when the new generation 737/A320s are announced in the coming years?

Will MS also use the 738 to AMS by summer 2007? I am hoping to see this beauty when I'm in AMS next year may/june.

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RE: Egyptair's Initial B738 Schedule Revealed

Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:59 pm

A little off topic but why is it that they seem to operate competing aircraft from both Airbus and Boeing? Surely it'd be better to stick to one aircraft type in the same class?
 
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RE: Egyptair's Initial B738 Schedule Revealed

Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:03 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 22):
Great news to see the first 738 in MS colours. I haven't followed the MS 737NG order but what was the reason for MS to go for the 738 instead of the A320? Is this so MS can see how both the A320 and 738 operated against each other for a potential larger order when the new generation 737/A320s are announced in the coming years?

Well eventually MS will have to replace their 1991/92 delivered B735s and 1991/93 delivered A320s. It'll be interesting to see if they go for more A320s or B737s (or their new generation developments).

Quoting A388 (Reply 22):
Will MS also use the 738 to AMS by summer 2007? I am hoping to see this beauty when I'm in AMS next year may/june.

This winter (effective 29/10/06) MS are increasing their CAI-AMS-CAI service (MS757/758) from 2x weekly A321 flights to 3x weekly A320 flights. Whether the B738 is used in S07 has yet to be decided.

Quoting RichM (Reply 23):
A little off topic but why is it that they seem to operate competing aircraft from both Airbus and Boeing? Surely it'd be better to stick to one aircraft type in the same class?

Eventually MS will operate a fleet of A32Xs/A330s and B738/B777s (plus Embraer jets when the order is placed). Operating a mixed fleet policy for a flag carrier like Egyptair is an operational decision, and one which has its merits. For example, the airline can use it as an excellent bargaining tool as it's not held 'hostage' to just one manufacturer and therefore getting the best deal (look at QF and QR).

Regarding the B738 order, the details will never be revealed by the airline or manufacturer so that will remain a mystery. Reports suggested that Boeing offered MS a very good deal including substantial discounts on the aircraft and spare as well as support in upgrading MS's engineering facilities at CAI to accommodate the new jets. In addition I've been led to believe from certain sources that B738 (with winglets) will offer better economics on the sectors the airline will use them on. I noticed when the order was announced many on this site jumped to the conclusion that it was a purely political order which illustrated certain people's lack of understanding of the situation. I personally think it's a mixture of the first 2 points and to a lessor extent politics. But it's important to note MS will join a long list of airlines operating a mixed short-haul fleet including BA, AF, LH, U2, TK, SK, NH, OS, AT, TU etc



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