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Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sat Aug 12, 2006 5:00 am

Sorry if this has been discussed before....

I was just wondering where you all may have seen evidence of defunct airlines in airports and on airplanes.

For example....

I recall flying National Airlines LAS-DFW a few years ago and noticed the "BI" Braniff logo on the jetway control panel.

In CLE, the ticket counter shelves and compartments at the Air Canada/Air Ontario counter used to have (and may still have) labels with the Piedmont name, logo and serial numbers on them.

I still see TWA beverage carts on certain AA aircraft.

Before CLE changed the terminal signage a few years ago, you could still see the names "New York Air", "Presidential" and "Eastern" painted over when the light hit the signs just right.

Anyone else see the remnants of airlines of the past in other locations these days?
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sat Aug 12, 2006 5:11 am

I can't help wonder about Eastern and Pan Am remnants.
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sat Aug 12, 2006 5:43 am

Come to Geneva, and see the Swissair Centre, just next to the terminal building.
 
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sat Aug 12, 2006 5:44 am

for a long time my mom's ex bf drove an old Eastern Airlines van, up until the late 90's. You could clearly see where the logo had been removed.

You can also drive past the old Tower Air terminal at JFK, still has signs, etc.
 
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:00 am

At ATL, you can still see on the signboards as you get on/off the train where Independence Air, Hooters Air, and Vanguard signs were. By some of the older FIDS monitor setups on C, you can still make out "Eastern Departures and Eastern Arrivals" on them. In non-public areas on C, there are a few examples of Eastern stuff still present. A few windows you can see where the Eastern name and logo had been at, there is an Eastern mural in one of the hallways downstairs on the ASA side of C, and AirTran has some wheeled fire extinguishers that still had the Eastern name and logo on them.
 
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:32 am

When I used to work in ORD, There was a sticker of the Pan Am globe on a door leading to a area now abandoned by the airport under terminal 2 on the north side facing UAs terminal 1. This used to be Pan Am's ramp break room. It is really faded, but you can not mistake it for anything else. To this day I doubt that door has been opened since 1991. Made me sad whenever I saw it.  ashamed 
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:19 am

I recall walking thru LAX and still seeing the old background wallpaper for Eastern. And this was in 1995/6!
also, I think I still see old Hughes Airwest stuff in a jetway at GEG just prior to entering the plane. At gate 11/13/ or 15, I believe. But I have not been there for a year or so. Maybe they replaced the old jetway.

Up until last year, there was a wheelchair in BOI with "Air Oregon" plastered on the back, and they quit in Aug 1981.
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:22 am

In the "A" concourse in the Smith terminal at DTW Braniff logo (version 2 or
3 maybe, the late-80's block logo) in the gate area (A9 ?) where Comair flights departed from. This was from the time Braniff finally kicked the can in all incarnations until when the rotunda was extended to add gates A8-A14 IIRC, the Braniff/Comair gate is completely gone now.
 
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:28 am

At gate E15 at MSP (Delta's gate), there is still a Western Airlines logo next to the control panel on the jetway.
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:29 am

Quoting N702ML (Thread starter):
I was just wondering where you all may have seen evidence of defunct airlines in airports and on airplanes.

There's a large red TWA baggage cart at CLE parked directly under a conference room I was working in last week (near gate A1A) - you can see it from the B foodcourt, or if you're lucky enough to be on the ramp*.

At lease what I could see of it looked to be in pristine shape - including the TWA lettering. It looks like TWA could have parked it there last night.

Quoting N702ML (Thread starter):
Anyone else see the remnants of airlines of the past in other locations these days?

At LAX as recently as a few months ago I saw signs for NATIONAL. (All iterations are defunct, right?)

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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:36 am

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 9):
There's a large red TWA baggage cart at CLE parked directly under a conference room I was working in last week (near gate A1A) - you can see it from the B foodcourt, or if you're lucky enough to be on the ramp*.

At lease what I could see of it looked to be in pristine shape - including the TWA lettering. It looks like TWA could have parked it there last night.

Same thing at ORD. TWA (or should I say American) has about 20 carts in the storage area next to the American Eagle hangar. Still bright red with the large TWA in white letters on the front and back.
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:20 pm

I saw an older (1980s) Ford truck with an Eastern logo on the doors a couple of years ago at a restaurant just south of DAB. Couldn't believe it...wish I had a camera with me.

Below Gate 6 at DAB, on the outside of the terminal, there's still a "USAir" logo on a door. It's not a defunct airline, but US hasn't flown there for several years now.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 4):
At ATL, you can still see on the signboards as you get on/off the train where Independence Air, Hooters Air, and Vanguard signs were.

There's also a "MetroJet" logo on the signboards in D Concourse, IIRC.

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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:41 pm

I know of two travel agencies in Costa Rica, which have signs with the old LR logo on them. LR doesn't really exist anymore. I mean they do, but only on paper, as it's all part of TA.

I definitely know there's one agency which still has a sign with the logo of AeroCostaRica, a long defunct airline which operated ex PA 727s and some 737s.
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:40 pm

Some time ago there were still Viasa counter at Caracas airport.....there is still one hangar at the maintanance area with the Viasa billboard.....an, in the center of Caracas you can still find the former headquarter "Torre Viasa" with the Viasa-Logo on it.

And on most airports in Venezuela you will find gangways with "Avensa" or "Servivensa" signs on it.
 
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:33 pm

I saw Ansett Australia carts in Virgin Blue 737-700 in Jan 2007.
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:52 pm

I noticed yesterday while at the Jolimont Centre in Northborne Avenue, Canberra Australia that there is a building directory map of the street level shops.

It still directs shoppers to the location of the Ansett Australia downtown ticket office. The former ticket office space was vacant quite a while after the Ansett shutdown, on 10/11, and is currently occupied by a wine bar.

I believe the building manager lost the key to the glass panel covering the sign and since none of the other tennants have changed, the manager has not seen a need to do anything about the Ansett sign.
 
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:48 pm

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 11):
There's also a "MetroJet" logo on the signboards in D Concourse, IIRC.

Forgot about that one. I guess since it was part of US Airways, I just didn't think about it.  banghead  I guess you can add Song to that as well since Song operated out of D when they offered service out of ATL.
 
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:57 pm

Last year I was boarding a Delta flight at gate 16 from PanAm's old WorldPort terminal and right as you enter the jetway there's an old metal sign with the PanAm logo and instructions on how to exit the jetway in case of an emergency. I don't know if they have these at all the jetways, but I thought it was pretty cool that it hadn't been ripped down by Delta.
 
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:01 pm

Its been a while now but I saw a Frontier baggage cart with the old 1980's colors at DEN....

IIRC in 2003 at LAS I saw a sign for National that looked like it hanged behind the ticket counter. I saw it sitting on a Baggage cart at the end of one of the concourses
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:27 pm

You can still find signs for Sabena and Swissair at most airports they served in Africa. As stated above, Swissair Center is still around. Same thing for Sabena House in BRU. It currently hosts the offices of the bankruptcy administrator, but he will be moving soon and the building will become headquarters to a SN again, just not the same SN.

Up until a few years ago, there was still an old TEA Airbus at BRU too.
 
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:28 pm

In YHZ there was a lot of evidence of Canadian for a number of years, including those cue lines. Not to mention the flight board on one side of the concourse had "Canadian" written on it.

Jetsgo, now thats a different story, nothing in YHZ about that one.
 
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:57 pm

Several years ago I recall pulling up to NRT T2 and seeing an Iraqi Airways sign on the terminal. I doubt they'd served NRT for at least a decade.
 
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:25 am

Some Aces and Alianza Summa logos are clearly visible in Avianca's operation.
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sun Aug 13, 2006 1:21 am

While wokring for Comair (OH) in MCO I was out back behind Ops at the end of Gate 60 near position Q and noticed that a cart used for storage had been painted over in full white. A closer look revealed that the Pam Am logo had been painted over but was still visable on both ends of the cart. Due to my young age it was my first real contact with anything from the original Pam Am, silly to some but interesting in exciting to me.
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sun Aug 13, 2006 1:49 am

Still got some "Property of Air 2000" placards on a few of our FCA 757s. That and quite a lot of bar equipment is still DP, and on G-OOOX all the equipment is still the 1980s red Air 2000 (due to the galley configurations).

Seen the following bar equipment knocking around at DP and XLA;

Flying Colours - Bar Boxes, Drawes, Oven Trays
TWA - Oven Trays
Orion - Oven Trays
Dan Air London - Oven Trays
Sabena - Lifejackets, Bar Boxes
Britannia - Bar Boxes, Drawes, Oven Trays & Crew meal trays
Sabre (now XLA) - Bar Carts, Drawes
Airtours - Oven Trays, Drawes
Canada 3000 - Oven Trays
Air 2000 - Ovens, Oven Trays, Drawes, Carts

Came across loads more but they were not from defunct/rebranded carriers.

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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:12 am

Next time you're in CLE take a gander under AA's Gate A-1, there's a red TWA bag cart hiding under there.
 
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sun Aug 13, 2006 3:39 am

Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 19):
As stated above, Swissair Center is still around.

Actually it's the Swissair Centre  Big grin
 
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sun Aug 13, 2006 3:57 am

Saw this at MAN about a year ago. Cheers,


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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:38 am

At the MSP departure drop-off area, there is a sign that says Vanguard. And according to Wikipedia's article about Republic Airlines, there are some Republic logos around MSP and MEM, but I've personally never seen any.
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:43 am

Quoting SNATH (Reply 27):

That reminds me, whenever you are in T2 walking from checkin to the cafe areas, go alongside the First Choice desks adjacent to the KLM/AF/CO desks and look just behind the FCA desks and you should see a fairly big Air 2000 Tapestry sticker thats still in mint condition  Wink Now If I could just get up there and peel it off somehow....

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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:31 am

I was lined up outside a gay bar in town and the queue tape and stantions were all that Canada 3000 bright red and I went back to the days! Then noticed that on the other side of the tape it actually said CANADA 3000 - blast from the past from the most unlikely of places.
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sun Aug 13, 2006 6:19 am

When NW bought out RC, they painted over the aqua colors on the hangers in MSP along I-494. The Aqua is starting to bleed through. But this can not be seen from the freeway as it is in the back part of the hangers. You can see some on 34th ave as you pass the Building "C" entrance. You must be going south bound on 34th ave.

You can see on the front of the hangers above the doors, were it was painted with rollers and it is showing signs of age. painted in 1988, and not since.

On the south end of the old RC HQ building there used to be a duck logo on the upper part this maybe bleeding through also. I have not bben past in 8 months.
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:37 am

At the Air Cargo area in PHX, a TWA logo sign is still in place, right between the AA ones.....

Up in SFO, the US Airways concourse which was formerly the TWA rotunda has many TWA signs and placards around, if you know where to look. Some are simply covered by 2 sheets of paper.. such as above the Jetway door at gate 29. There are more TWA signs on the ramp level, out of the view of the public. All of the jetways still have the metal rectangle frames where the large TWA logo signs once hung.

Over in EWR, the US Airways check in area now has a fake wall between the end of the counters and the TSA screening equipment behind it. The lighted upper portion of the ticket counter sign continues behind the wall... where NATIONAL AIRLINES is still lit up!

If anyone wants to see some of the Independance Air ground equipment, there were about 30 belt loaders parked over at the cargo area at IAD a few days ago...
 
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:39 am

Canada 3000 queue barriers are used in the YYT Canadian immigration area. There are a few others as well. I think they had Royal barriers as well IIRC.
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:42 am

Plenty of evidence from VASP and Transbrasil all over the country. A sad reminder.
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:10 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12):
I know of two travel agencies in Costa Rica, which have signs with the old LR logo on them. LR doesn't really exist anymore. I mean they do, but only on paper, as it's all part of TA.

On the same line, there's loads of GU stuff at the TA main office in Guatemala. Mostly signs, some logos painted on the walls, and a couple of baggage carts.

Another reminder... I still have some cutlery with the GU logo, back from the time when metal cutlery was still commonplace. And my grandma has a cup with the old old logo, displayed in her cupboard.
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:19 am

It isn't so much defunct as a name change, but at DTW, near the fire station on the east side of the Midfield terminal, there were, as of June 24, there were two old white bag carts with Northwest Orient name and logo painted on it.

[Edited 2006-08-13 04:20:20]
 
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sun Aug 13, 2006 1:10 pm

I saw a wheelchair with a TWA sticker on it the other day at STL. A couple of years ago I saw a small black trash can on C concourse at STL that had Ozark Airlines stenciled on it. It was under the counter at a gate. It went to throw away my gum and there it was.
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sun Aug 13, 2006 1:56 pm

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 11):

Below Gate 6 at DAB, on the outside of the terminal, there's still a "USAir" logo on a door. It's not a defunct airline, but US hasn't flown there for several years now.

Even better than that...when i worked at DAB from 2002-2005 on quiet nights id go searchin for old stuff so me and my terminal master key would go exploring. Im the old curbside check in offices i found a TON of old USair timetables from throughout the mid 90's.

BUT then i went to the old AA one and found evidence of AA at DAB. I got a 1994 AA system timetable and an AA magazine from 2004, so it had been sitting there 10 years! Also on the ramp at gate 5 prior to UA moving in, AA's ground position markings (S80 and F100) were there.
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:06 pm

I forgot something. I was buying a roll of lifesavers at STL on Wednesday and I saw the store had post cards featuring the Trans World Dome, in St. Louis. The postcard actually said Trans World Dome, home of Rams and it had TWA shown in the picture. It is now the Edward Jones Dome. TWA has been gone for several years now (very sad, I liked them a lot). I bought one of the cards.
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:06 pm

jetBlue uses the old TWA gates in PIT......C58 still has a TWA security directive attached to the gate. look at it everyday....


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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:55 pm

I flew into the airport in Portland, ME on FlyI last summer and the podium at their gate was TWA, still had the RWA baggage policy posted. I thought it was way cool.
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:24 pm

In PHX, there are a bunch of planes flying around that say "America West" on the sides...
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:46 pm

The old headquarters of National Airlines is still visible from the runway at LAS. The building still hasn't been painted. You can still see the logo (although it is quite faded by now).

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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:19 pm

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 42):
In PHX, there are a bunch of planes flying around that say "America West" on the sides...

Haha, nice one.
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:16 pm

For quite some time Swiss used to have Swissair drinking classes and trolleys onboard but then changed more and more to Swiss stuff only. On one of the hangars at ZRH, it was still possible to see some leftovers of the old Swissair sign at the hangar.

There are also several airports where you find Swiss being called Swissair and stuff like that.
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:30 am

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 42):
In PHX, there are a bunch of planes flying around that say "America West" on the sides

So true....and in the minds of many of us Phoencians, it will always be America West Arena.....
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:54 pm

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 36):
It isn't so much defunct as a name change, but at DTW, near the fire station on the east side of the Midfield terminal, there were, as of June 24, there were two old white bag carts with Northwest Orient name and logo painted on it.

KingAir200 after the RC/NWA merger all ground equipment was painted white as RC had more than NWA. Since that time all have gone back to the NWA gray.

After the merger when we had down time we would paint ground equipment. They (NW) would not let us even wash any of it just paint right over it. SO in a few weeks we had to touch it up as the paint was peeling were grease or dirt had been painted over.
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Mon Aug 14, 2006 6:01 pm

Around 2000, I was waiting at the TWA terminal at LAX, and I was looking out the window down at where the plane was parked. I noticed they had stopping points painted on the ground below with the aircraft type next to the hash marks, I guess so the plane can be properly aligned with the jetbridge. I noticed lines for the 757, 767...and then one for the L-1011 (long since retired). I wonder if its still there now.
 
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RE: Evidence Of Defunct Airlines

Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:23 pm

Yesterday I flew on BRA (Brasil Rodo Aereo)'s PR-BRV, that is an ex-TWA 762. When the flight attendants performed the safety briefing, the life-jackets showed large "Property of TWA" titles. Also, the door of the lavatory had a warning against smoke detector tampering that, though not showing TWA markings, referred to a fine in US dollars...

As PPVRA already said, nearly every airport I visited had strong evidence from VASP: offices, ticketing desks, hangars, stored airplanes. At Santos Dumont airport in RIO, the only difference between the VASP and Varig hangars was that the first one was empty and dark at night. I assume that most VASP assets are still "frozen", so not yet bought by anyone. However, according to www.vasp.com.br, VASP is in coma but not dead, and it's currently restructuring to resume operations. Is it true?

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