Domestic Use Of 747

Boston92 · Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:34 am

What are domestic flights that use a 747. I know of one: UA 139 ORD-SFO, are there any others?

cedarjet · Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:48 am

You would have loved the old days; JFK-LAX on Pan Am, TWA, United or Tower in the 80s and 90s. AA did it in the 70s and early 80s as well. Northwest from Detroit and Minneapolis to California. National up and down the eastern seaboard in the 70s. UA also in and out of Chicago and Denver. Braniff's famous daily Dallas to Honolulu, racking up the highest utilisation rate for the 747 at the time. Delta from Atlanta to NY, Chicago and LA in the 70s.

bri2k1 · Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:54 am

I just rode UA ORD-DEN Tuesday last week. Usually it's a 772 which then goes on to SFO, but it was changed about 48 hours ahead of time to a 744. I wondered if this 744 maybe needed to spend some time at UA MX so it was swapped into the 777's slot.

SonicAirlines · Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:00 am

I believe JAL fly high capacity B744D's on domestic op's too.

EWRCabincrew · Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:03 am

Hasn't this topic been rehashed, to death, I might add, in other threads?

Boston92 · Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:12 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 4):
Hasn't this topic been rehashed, to death, I might add, in other threads?

I did a search, could not find anything, all I wanted was some answers to a question. Did not need negative results on how it has all ready been discussed.

lincoln · Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:18 am

UA, at least as of a few years ago, has (had?) a ORD-LAX 744 run (either UA100 or UA125, I can't remember), I beleive the bird was N171UA. The flight was to position the aircraft for a LAX-SYD run.

It is among my only truly memorable flights -- although doing it added about 4 hours each way to the total trip (LAX-ORD-LAX on UA then ORD-DTW-PLN-DTW-ORD on NW) it was well worth it.

Lincoln

aussie747 · Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:24 am

QF currently run SYD-PER-SYD and MEL-PER-MEL with their 743's

EWRCabincrew · Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:38 am

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 5):
I did a search, could not find anything, all I wanted was some answers to a question. Did not need negative results on how it has all ready been discussed.

It wasn't meant to be negative or insulting. Sometimes tweaking your parameters will give you the answers.

No hard feelings, then. I see you are new here. For starters, welcome to the family (albeit, dysfunctional Big grin

). Another, you will see what I mean when a topic comes up, similar to the one that you just posted a reply to earlier. It can be frustrating.

Cheers,

Bill

roseflyer · Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:43 am

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 6):
UA, at least as of a few years ago, has (had?) a ORD-LAX 744 run (either UA100 or UA125, I can't remember), I beleive the bird was N171UA. The flight was to position the aircraft for a LAX-SYD run.

United does schedule 747s and other international configured planes on domestic routes. Cities that routinely see them are some of UA's hubs. IAD, ORD, DEN, LAX, SFO and SEA all get three class planes on domestic routes from time to time. Any 744 to DEN is on a domestic route since UA doesn't operate any long haul flights from DEN.

JLDWC · Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:44 am

yeaa i was just on Ual139 on july 25th..awesome flight..love domestic 744s....if you want to fly on a domestic 744 just look for UA "hub hoppers" LAX-DEN LAX-IAD IAD-SFO ORD-DEN...routes like those are most flown with widebody aircraft i.e: 772 763 744

Boston92 · Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:46 am

Quoting JLDWC (Reply 10):
i.e: 772 763 744

I am very fond of the 772's iad-den flight 903. Fly it once a week!!

falstaff · Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:23 pm

Didn't People's Express use a 747 on domestic routes? I think I read that somewhere on this site. I remember reading the CEO said something about "people like the 747!" In regards to some in the industry saying it was nuts to use it on the routes his company flew.

QXatFAT · Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:30 pm

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 4):
Hasn't this topic been rehashed, to death, I might add, in other threads?

I am pretty sure there is 3 or 4 of these a month.

EWRCabincrew · Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:50 pm

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 12):
Didn't People's Express use a 747 on domestic routes?

PeoplExpress flew them EWR-LAX, EWR-DEN, EWR-SFO, LAX-HNL to name some

Jan '86 - http://www.olesen.com/aha/skeds/pe010186.htm

Jul '86 - http://www.olesen.com/aha/skeds/pe071586.htm

Sep '86 - http://www.olesen.com/aha/skeds/pe091586.htm

Jan '87 - http://www.olesen.com/aha/skeds/pe010687.htm

Hope these help.

TinkerBelle · Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:20 pm

I think this is the only thread I know that re-appears every few weeks biggrin

N702ML · Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:33 pm

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 8):
It can be frustrating.

It doesn't bother me.

If its a topic thats already been discussed, I just don't read it. If it's a topic I have already responded to and don't feel like responding again....I just don't respond.

I must be one of the rare ones here who doesn't feel the need to read and respond to every topic.

EWRCabincrew · Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:35 pm

Quoting N702ML (Reply 16):
I must be one of the rare ones here who doesn't feel the need to read and respond to every topic.

LOL...probably right. I need to not look at them. I have seen the error of my ways. Big grin

UK_Dispatcher · Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:45 pm

I flew KHI-ISB on a B747-300 in January. The early morning flight is scheduled for a B742 or B743 most days. It was a nice experience - especially disembarking via steps in Islamabad. Here is a shot I managed to take when the security guards weren't looking:

andz · Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:44 pm

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 5):
did a search, could not find anything, all I wanted was some answers to a question. Did not need negative results on how it has all ready been discussed.

well said.

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 13):
I am pretty sure there is 3 or 4 of these a month.

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 15):
I think this is the only thread I know that re-appears every few weeks

So what, if you don't like it don't read it and don't respond.

To answer the question, SAA use a 744 JNB-CPT and back (2 hours each way). You can also fly on a 342 or 346 on this route. The frequency varies, for example today there are no 744s but some days there are 2 each way.

gashwin · Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:49 pm

I've flown Air India 744s domestically within India, though it's been a while. They're usually flights that hop between BOM and DEL (or another origin, such as ADI) before continuing on a transcontinental route. AI takes domestic passengers on these routes. Used to be they were cheaper than the alternative monopoly, IC. I've no idea how they're doing now with the explosion of the Indian domestic market and cheaper flights at more convenient times from the host of private airlines. AI international flights typically depart in the middle of the night ...

I had no clue that there were any 747s flying within the US! Live and learn!

ordryan28 · Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:56 pm

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 5):
I did a search, could not find anything, all I wanted was some answers to a question. Did not need negative results on how it has all ready been discussed.

...no need to get a negative response to a simple question

...but the ones that I know of : UA, QF, JL, PK, ANA (?)...not sure of the others off the top of my head but I do know alot of carriers based in Asia use 747's or atleast widebodies on their domestic routes. hope this helps any.

-Ryan

UpperDeck79 · Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:02 pm

Quoting Ordryan28 (Reply 21):
...but the ones that I know of : UA, QF, JL, PK, ANA (?)...not sure of the others off the top of my head but I do know alot of carriers based in Asia use 747's or atleast widebodies on their domestic routes. hope this helps any.

Yes, ANA (= NH) too. As well as TG in Thailand (BKK-HKT for instance).

andrewuber · Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:50 pm

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 8):

Sometimes a thread is discussed to death. I too have participated in the "747 domestic flights" threads. However, I think this is one scenario where a thread can be repeated, as flight schedules change constantly - so the answer to that question changes constantly.

That being said - I would love to ride UAL domestic 744 again someday. I did it from SFO-ORD back in 2000 on a 744. Even got bumped to biz class! (which was still on the lower deck Sad

)

Drew

RAFVC10 · Mon Aug 14, 2006 6:38 pm

Air Plus Comet flies twice a week Boeing 747-200's from MAD to BCN and return.

Air France, operates 744 equipment from ORY to AJA. I suppose that due to summer season.

Aerolineas Argentinas operates 744 equipment from EZE to USH many times a week.

(...)

[Edited 2006-08-14 11:39:13]

jbguller · Mon Aug 14, 2006 6:54 pm

I believe QF also do SYD-MEL and return leg on a 747, and recently my cousin was on YBBN-SYD.

cedarjet · Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:23 pm

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 4):
Hasn't this topic been rehashed, to death, I might add, in other threads?

Oh dear oh dear. Are you seriously saying that once a topic has been discussed, that's it, it's never allowed to be discussed again? If you're just trying to build an archive, go and do some work on Wikipedia. I'm here to talk about our favourite subjects, which certainly includes domestic 747s, and I look forward to next month to talk about it again.

Quoting Aussie747 (Reply 7):
QF currently run SYD-PER-SYD and MEL-PER-MEL with their 743's

Are these stand-alone domestic flights, ie from Sydney's domestic terminal, or are they add-ons to international flights (ie to Jo'burg or Mauritius) and therefore depart from the international terminal?

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 12):
Didn't People's Express use a 747 on domestic routes?

Yes indeedy, almost all domestic runs.

ZAVRC · Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:31 pm

I recall a few years back flying an SAA 744 from JHB to Durban (not sure of the abbreviation). A one hour flight that was in those days usually flown with a 732. If I recall, on this occasion due to a storm on the highveld there had been one or two flights cancelled to Durban so they subsitiuted the 732 with a 744.

It was a real treat as at the time I hadn't flown a Jumbo for around 20 odd years (since I was 12). Oh how times have changed!

ZK-NBT · Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:42 pm

Quoting Jbguller (Reply 25):
I believe QF also do SYD-MEL and return leg on a 747, and recently my cousin was on YBBN-SYD.

Yes they do, these flight between SYD-MEL and SYD-BNE are International flights with the aircraft continuing to AKL-LAX from MEL and to LAX from BNE, they aren't daily though.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 26):
Are these stand-alone domestic flights, ie from Sydney's domestic terminal, or are they add-ons to international flights (ie to Jo'burg or Mauritius) and therefore depart from the international terminal?

The PER flights are stand alone domestic fligths. Seasonally QF have in the past added an additional SYD-JNB via PER flight, not sure if they will do again this year or not. All QF's JNB flights used to go via PER.

A shame NZ no longer fly 744's CHC-AKL, these were International flights aswell though but you could fly the CHC-AKL leg. Sadly I never had the chance to though. Those flights are now operated by 772's.

halls120 · Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:21 pm

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 4):
Hasn't this topic been rehashed, to death, I might add, in other threads?

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 8):
It wasn't meant to be negative or insulting. Sometimes tweaking your parameters will give you the answers.

It has been discussed to death, but I sympathize with the poster that asked the question. I don't find the search function on Anet to be particularly helpful.

TinkerBelle · Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:26 pm

Quoting Andz (Reply 19):
So what, if you don't like it don't read it and don't respond.

Woow, woow, chill out bro! If I didn't like it, I would have said so but I didn't. Don't jump into conclussions.

PEK18R36L · Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:31 pm

CA runs 747-400s and 747-400Ms PEK-SHA and PEK-CAN. If you want to get technical, PEK-HKG is also domestic, and the 744s are run on that route as well.

redflag

swissgabe · Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:03 pm

Swissair used to have ZRH-GVA vv with 743. The flight was between 25 and 30min and 144 miles.

Other airlines using 747 for domestic flights include: TG, JL, NH, MH, CA, SA, UA, AI, AF (if you count some Oversea Departments), IB, SV and QF.

UK_Dispatcher · Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:18 pm

According to the Iran Air timetable, a B741/B742 is used twice a week between Tehran and Mashad. Their other flights between these cities are a mix of B727-200, F100, A300B2, A300-600 & A310-300.

MalpensaSFO · Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:31 pm

Air China

Beijing - Hong Kong
Beijing-Shanghai

Air France

Paris - Ajaccio
Rio de Janeiro - Sao Paulo

British Airways

Rio de Janeiro - Sao Paulo

Philippine Airlines

Los Angeles - Guam
Manila-Cebu
San Francisco - Guam

Qantas

Los Angeles-New York
Sydney - Brisbane
Sydney - Perth

TPAnx · Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:32 pm

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 26):
Quoting Falstaff (Reply 12):
Didn't People's Express use a 747 on domestic routes?

Remember my dad getting off one at PIE. Luggage went into an open-sided
shed. Things have changed..
TPAnx

LPLAspotter · Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:36 pm

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 5):
Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 4):
Hasn't this topic been rehashed, to death, I might add, in other threads?

I did a search, could not find anything, all I wanted was some answers to a question. Did not need negative results on how it has all ready been discussed.

Yeah, I agree with you Boston92 but I can never have any luck with the search engine with this website.

I believe you can fly domestic 747s from Bangkok to Phuket and JNB to Capetown. As for the US, I think the ORD LAX route is the only one I know of.

As stated before, in the old days you could fly 747s from JFK to SFO to LAX all the time. I guess those times are long gone. Too bad.

LPLAspotter

coyoteguy · Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:43 pm

I did Madrid to Tenerife Norte on IB in the spring, on a 744. Whole main deck was economy seating, I think it is an Air Atlanta aircraft. I sat right at the front in the first row in the nose. Great view from there as you can almost see forward thanks to the curvature of the fuselage, and scenic landing at TFN.

CV580Freak · Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:09 pm

Aer Lingus on DUB/SNN run used to be B747-100's in the '80's for 12 quid one-way. By the time they loaded you all on then off it was quicker to drive Smile

MCOflyer · Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:30 pm

Cool. Next time I do MCO-SAN, I'll detour my way to IAD and DEN. I'll fly MCO-IAD-DEN-SAN. This way i'll get a 744 or 772.

MCOflyer

VEEREF · Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:39 pm

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 4):
Hasn't this topic been rehashed, to death, I might add, in other threads?

Yet you took the time to add a reply rather than simply skip it so it couldn't have been that bothersome.
Honestly, this site would be pretty quiet without rehashed topics.

But yes on the other hand, proficiency with the search function can be a big help as well.

United787 · Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:13 pm

I just flew on UA 129 ORD-LAX on June 22 and
UA 128 LAX-ORD on June 26
both 747-400 and neither of these flights were associated with international flights.

Although I love the 747, I would much prefer a 777 with its private TVs. UA really needs to redo the interiors of the 747 fleet ASAP.

karan69 · Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:19 pm

Air India

744--BOM-DEL, BOM-AMD, occasionally BOM-BLR
743--BOM-DEL, occasionally BOM-AMD/HYD/BLR

Karan

70sflyer · Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:25 pm

So, I've been an a.netter anonymous user for a while and only recently applied for a username. I'm trying to read as much as possible and learn the ways of the board before I post too many things.

What an American I am. When I read the title of the thread, I thought subconsciously "Oh, Domestic means US Domestic." Embarrassment

I now know to think a little bit more before I make ethno-centric assumpitons concerning sites on the WORLD WIDE web and the US.

Nevertheless: Growing up I used to pray for a 747 route anytime I flew domestically (I'm still pretty young... so the days of Braniff and PanAm and even the best of the TWA years were before my time!) I would definitely go out of my way and even spend a few extra dollars to catch one of these big guys in my next domestic flight.

**A quick thanks to the a.net community for being so nice to noobs!

-Jer

PavlovsDog · Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:25 pm

It's too bad Air Canada no longer has 747's. They used to use them between Vancouver and Toronto.

a300 · Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:32 pm

IR often uses it on trunk domestic routes from THR (MHD, SYZ, TBZ) as a substitute. This in addition to the scheduled THR-MHD-THR route as mentioned above.

TinkerBelle · Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:38 pm

Quoting 70sflyer (Reply 43):
So, I've been an a.netter anonymous user for a while and only recently applied for a username. I'm trying to read as much as possible and learn the ways of the board before I post too many things.

Welcome to A.net wink

I think UA 747's are a pity really. I've flown on one LHR-SFO and although this was a few years ago, the interior was terrible and to think that they haven't done anything to them is a shame. On the other hand, I flew a UA 777 a few weeks ago and it was awesome.

UAL777UK · Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:49 pm

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 46):
I think UA 747's are a pity really. I've flown on one LHR-SFO and although this was a few years ago, the interior was terrible and to think that they haven't done anything to them is a shame. On the other hand, I flew a UA 777 a few weeks ago and it was awesome.

Watch this space. All UA's International fleet in F & J are being upgraded with new seats etc. As for Y on those 747, the best you will see is overhead monitors dotted around the cabin, There will be no PTV's

leothedog · Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:58 pm

Quoting Andrewuber (Reply 23):
Sometimes a thread is discussed to death. I too have participated in the "747 domestic flights" threads. However, I think this is one scenario where a thread can be repeated, as flight schedules change constantly - so the answer to that question changes constantly.

That being said - I would love to ride UAL domestic 744 again someday. I did it from SFO-ORD back in 2000 on a 744. Even got bumped to biz class! (which was still on the lower deck )

Well said. To those who get frustrated at a thread that has been discussed before, GO WALK YOUR DOG.

Back in 95, we took the 1:00 flight from SFO to ORD. We were finally wheels up at around 5:00. Our 747-400 had to come in from Japan, and it was a tad late that day.

bri2k1 · Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:03 am

Quoting Leothedog (Reply 48):
To those who get frustrated at a thread that has been discussed before, GO WALK YOUR DOG.

One must remember that, in addition to new topics on the same subject, there are often new members of the same species. This can afford an opportunity to garner new insight from those newer members who will probably never see any of the prior topics. Unless you just already know everything, in which case it doesn't make sense that you're here anyway.

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