Domestic Use Of 747

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UpperDeck79
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:35 am

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 34):
Air France

Rio de Janeiro - Sao Paulo

British Airways

Rio de Janeiro - Sao Paulo

Philippine Airlines

Los Angeles - Guam
San Francisco - Guam

Qantas

Los Angeles-New York

IMO, these don't count as the carriers don't have rights to pick up pax to fly only the domestic sectors. Only international pax can fly on those sectors.

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 34):
Air China

Beijing - Hong Kong
Beijing-Shanghai

And Beijing-Shenzhen-Beijing on some days. I flew SZX-PEK in 1999 on a B747.
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TinkerBelle
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:35 am

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 47):
Watch this space. All UA's International fleet in F & J are being upgraded with new seats etc. As for Y on those 747, the best you will see is overhead monitors dotted around the cabin, There will be no PTV's

Sorry but I'll believe it when I see it. I heard the same thing 4 years ago and it still hasn't happened.
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MDW22L31C
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:45 am

Back in June my flight on UA 129 ORD to LAX was a 744
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UAL777UK
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:47 am

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 51):
Sorry but I'll believe it when I see it. I heard the same thing 4 years ago and it still hasn't happened.

I have no idea what you were expecting UA to do four years ago, they certainly never said post 9/11 or entering CH11 that they were going to upgrade the cabins, so that comment makes no sense. They had other things to concentrate on then...like Survival!

Trust me, its common knowledge that UA have set aside something in the region of $160m to do this work.
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:01 am

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 53):
Trust me, its common knowledge that UA have set aside something in the region of $160m to do this work.

I think UA will diverse itself of 747's within 2-5 years. Why spend millions on an upgrade for a/c it wont keep
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TinkerBelle
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:03 am

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 53):
I have no idea what you were expecting UA to do four years ago, they certainly never said post 9/11 or entering CH11 that they were going to upgrade the cabins, so that comment makes no sense. They had other things to concentrate on then...like Survival!

Like I said, I 'read' it somewhere and what do I know about how true that was, I'm just a pax! I wasn't expecting much coz I could care less but it'd be nice if they caught up with their Star Alliance partners interior-wise. I fly UA domestically but no way accorss the Pacific because there are better products out there.

Anyways, good to hear they're doing something about it...It's about freakin time!
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:19 am

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 30):
Woow, woow, chill out bro! If I didn't like it, I would have said so but I didn't. Don't jump into conclussions.

Hadn't had my coffee yet  Wink
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TinkerBelle
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:30 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 56):
Hadn't had my coffee yet

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bnamaxx
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:40 am

If someone repeats a question from an earlier thread, is there really any need to get pissy about it and make sarcastic comments? Not everyone reads these things every day and like it was stated, the search function on a.net isn't the best in the wrold. If you see a thread that is a repeat, ignore it and let the people who are interested enough in it have a discussion.

Having said that, one domestic 747 route I never understood form years gone by was DL's ATL-JAX.
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UAL777UK
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Tue Aug 15, 2006 2:56 am

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 54):
I think UA will diverse itself of 747's within 2-5 years. Why spend millions on an upgrade for a/c it wont keep

Oh yeah right...and replace them with what exactly.....747-8i, 787's...I think not...they haven't ordered any yet!!

They are being refurbed whether you like it or not.
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C133
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:12 am

Quoting Bnamaxx (Reply 58):
Having said that, one domestic 747 route I never understood form years gone by was DL's ATL-JAX.

Maybe like AA's JFK-BDL 747 route in the seventies. Supposedly flown to find concrete for the overnight, which made as much sense as any other reason anyone came up with.
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ordryan28
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:16 am

Quoting Bnamaxx (Reply 58):

Having said that, one domestic 747 route I never understood form years gone by was DL's ATL-JAX.

agreed, and their current 777 opp. btween ATL-Florida (I think I've heard the exact reason behind it but I forgot).
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dairy
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:34 am

There was a LH 744 on HAM-FRA, coming from NRT in the 80ies.

TG uses 744 on
BKK-HKT and
BKK-CNX
A318/A319/A320/A321 AB3/A306/A310/A333/A343/A346 732/733/735/736/744/752/763/764/772/773 DH3 F70 F100 CR2 CR1 CR7 ATR42
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TinkerBelle
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:37 am

Quoting Ordryan28 (Reply 61):
agreed, and their current 777 opp. btween ATL-Florida (I think I've heard the exact reason behind it but I forgot).

Reason DL used a 777 for ATL-MCO was to have one readily available in case it's urgently needed and also for crew training. I actually flew one back in 2004 I believe. However, they no longer do this since they are short of T7's as it is.
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:18 am

From May-Mid July UA ran a 744 trip between IAD-SFO. Departed at 7:50AM out of SFO as UA950 and returned at 5:20 as UA915. Now it's been swapped to a 777. I hope the changes are permanent because it's nice to see something bigger than a 763 on this route! As others have mentioned: ORD-SFO, LAX-ORD, and DEN-ORD are other 744 domestics on UA. Up until Spring 2005, they also operated a daily 744 between DC-LA. I expect more domestic 744 traffic with the start of the Kuwait service- as well as the relocated IAD-NRT service. I am sure that Kuwait will see UA 744 traffic as well.
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RIXrat
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:47 am

In the last years of PA, there was a SEA - SFO flight on a 747 that had originated in Tokyo, I believe. For a $100 round trip it was a steal and I took it several times. The interior was awful, but what do you want for an hour's flight?
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cobra27
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:00 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 4):
Hasn't this topic been rehashed, to death, I might add, in other threads?

hahahaha.

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 13):
I am pretty sure there is 3 or 4 of these a month.

not realistic

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 15):
I think this is the only thread I know that re-appears every few weeks biggrin

realistic

Quoting Andz (Reply 19):

So what, if you don't like it don't read it and don't respond.

Nice statement. Afterall it is only a line that appears with other topics, that can also be silly
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grimey
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:04 am

Did EI operate their 747's on a DUB - SNN (and onward) route like they do with thier A330's today?

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jeffry747
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:23 am

Just my two cents, but back in the very early 80's when I was just a kid, Pan Am used to operate IAH-JFK with 747's. On my first trip to JFK on that jumbo, my family sat in the middle row and I hated every minute of it. So on the return trip Mom and Dad got me a window seat on the wing,right where the leading edge meets the fuselage. I have loved the 747 ever since. I'm thinking about saving up some cash and hopping aboard one of those domestic UA flights, just so I can fly on a 747 again.
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YULWinterSkies
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:34 am

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 34):
Air France

Paris - Ajaccio
Rio de Janeiro - Sao Paulo

Doesn't AF fly to GIG and GRU on separate non-stop flights? Or is this new?

Domestic in terms of immigration but not customs is ORY-RUN (AF 744), and ORY-CAY (does the 744 also fly there in the summer?), and used to be ORY-PTP and ORY-FDF until July when the 773ER took over...

What is the status of the Dutch West Indies? Can AMS-SXM be considered as domestic? Or is SXM on the French part of the island?

Quoting PavlovsDog (Reply 44):
It's too bad Air Canada no longer has 747's. They used to use them between Vancouver and Toronto.

And YYZ-YUL sometimes too. However these 2 routes will likely occasionally get the 773ER as crew training and as the 343 also sometimes flies them.
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bsbisland
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Tue Aug 15, 2006 8:14 am

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 69):
Doesn't AF fly to GIG and GRU on separate non-stop flights? Or is this new?

AF flies to GIG and GRU on separate flights. The B744 goes daily CDG-GIG and CDG-GRU gets a daily B772 (soon to be upgraded to a B773) plus 5 weekly A332.
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Tue Aug 15, 2006 8:25 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 4):
Hasn't this topic been rehashed, to death, I might add, in other threads?

And..?

Aerolineas Argentinas uses on rare cases, 744 on flights to USH.
ANA and JAL in Japan.

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Mandrake
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Tue Aug 15, 2006 8:47 am

When you consider the range of cultures, experiences and personal foci of so many posters, it is not surprising that there are duplications and unnecessary revisits to old threads.
For the same reason that we don't jump on bad spelling or grammar, we should not damn a poster because of his/her inexperience.
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blueflyer
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Tue Aug 15, 2006 8:56 am

Don't know whether the OP intended freight runs as well, but UPS, Kallita and Polar Air operate(d) 747 scheduled domestic flights in the US.

[Edited 2006-08-15 01:58:47]
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mav75
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:30 am

I've flown US domestic routes 3 different times on the 747:

1982 or 1983: TWA JFK-LAX on a 741 or 742
1989: CO EWR-LAX on a 742
2003: UA ORD-IAD on a 744.

I definitely enjoyed all 3 flights and the 747 will always be my favorite aircraft. Also, I didn't see anyone mention CO's domestic coast to coast routes on a 742: EWR-LAX and EWR-SFO.
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747srule
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:25 am

Last December I flew UA855 and 109 LAX-ORD on a 744 roundtrip. Purposely booked that flight because of the equipment. Real cool!
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cpharris5514
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:49 pm

When I was living in Seattle, NW had a daily 742 from SEA-JFK. They also ran a 742 on the SEA-MSP run, originating in Tokyo; and a 742 from SEA-HNL. PA's 741 or 742 flight from LHR-SEA continued on to SFO. UA had a 742 on their SEA-HNL flight for awhile as well, before replacing it with a DC-10 series. In addition, UA would periodically operate a 747 series on the SEA-ORD and SEA-JFK flights.

I also recall a NW crew strike back around 1979 or so, when I was in college. During that period, NW management kept the NRT flight going, but once it left SEA for MSP, I remember it made a couple of intermediate stops: GEG and BIL.

NW still operates cargo 747s out of SEA, usually up to ANC, if that counts! Big grin
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CV580Freak
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:04 pm

Quoting Grimey (Reply 67):

Yes, I used both the DUB/SNN flights plus the onward to JFK
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USADreamliner
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Fri Aug 18, 2006 7:07 am

Not sure, but SR used to fly ZRH-GVA with a 742/743? I know for sure with the DC-10.

Aerolineas Argentinas used to fly MIA-JFK with a 742 for many years.


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AirAmericaC46
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Sat Aug 19, 2006 3:46 pm

This is a recurring thread that I like.

PR 742 MNL-Cebu; MNL-General Santos;and MNL-Davao in the 90s

GA 742 JKT-Denpasar 3x daily in the 80s

KE 742 Kimpo-Cheju in the 90s

ME 742 Beirut-Tripoli 90s

SV 741 Jeddah-Abha; Riyadh-Abha in 2005

NW 744 had daily MSP-Phoenix when the 744 started services for crew training
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Lanas
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Sat Aug 19, 2006 3:51 pm

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 24):
Aerolineas Argentinas operates 744 equipment from EZE to USH many times a week.

That´s just for the summer and autumn seasons. It´s not regular. They have also used their A340 or A310 for this demanding route.
Bariloche (BRC/SAZS) is another destination which receives the A340, but for the winter season in this case, carrying snow sports fanatics.

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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:47 am

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 18):
I flew KHI-ISB on a B747-300 in January. The early morning flight is scheduled for a B742 or B743 most days. It was a nice experience - especially disembarking via steps in Islamabad. Here is a shot I managed to take when the security guards weren't looking:

UK Dispatcher, I love your photo of the PIA 743. Action shot with lots of character. Too bad it would likely be rejected if you tried to upload onto the main site, on grounds that it's blurry, etc. As magnificent as many of this site's pictures are, I sometimes think the Airliners.net posting policy, with respect to quality, is missing the point. I mean, how many AA MD-80s do I need to see, regardless of what "good" photos they are, technically? Pics like the PIA shot are great.
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bnamaxx
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RE: Domestic Use Of 747

Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:21 am

I have a TT from the early/mid 70's from NW Orient that shows a JFK-DTW-ORD 747, with the JFK departure at something like 02:30. I'm sure it was a repositioning flight, but it would have been interesting.
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