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richardw
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LON-BOD/EGC BA Cheaper Than FR!

Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:34 pm

Interesting comparison. Demand for Bergerac must be strong.

BA7987 Gatwick (London),United Kingdom Bordeaux,France Economy (Traveller) Fri 8 December 2006 ,14:15 Fri 8 December 2006 , 16:50
Inbound BA7988 Bordeaux,France Gatwick (London),United Kingdom Economy (Traveller) Sun 10 December 2006 ,17:25 Sun 10 December 2006 , 18:00

Price breakdown Fare per person plus taxes, fees, charges and surcharges* per person Total
1 Adult £ 10.00 £ 47.00 £ 57.00

Ryanair

Going Out

Reg fare Adult Reg Fare 19.99 GBP

Fri, 08 Dec 06
Flight 8592 14:15 Depart London Stansted (STN)
16:55 Arrive Bergerac - Dordogne (EGC)

Coming Back

Reg fare Adult Reg Fare 19.99 GBP

Sun, 10 Dec 06
Flight 8593 21:45 Depart Bergerac - Dordogne (EGC)
22:25 Arrive London Stansted (STN)

Pricing

Going Out (Reg fare)
1 @ 19.99 GBP 19.99 GBP
Taxes, Fees & Charges
details 15.78 GBP

Coming Back (Reg fare)
1 @ 19.99 GBP 19.99 GBP
Taxes, Fees & Charges
details 17.90 GBP

Total Cost of Flight
excluding handling fee (if applicable)
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on handling fees
73.66 GBP
 
bennett123
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RE: LON-BOD/EGC BA Cheaper Than FR!

Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:03 pm

FR comes back later, also Bordeaux is not Bergerac and Heathrow is not Stansted, so they are not directly comparable.

Still clearly FR is not always cheaper.
 
richardw
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RE: LON-BOD/EGC BA Cheaper Than FR!

Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:08 pm

I know it isn't directly comparable, but if LGW-BOD and STN-EGC has the same convenience factor for potential passengers, then the price difference is interesting.

Never seen BA fares so low for early bookings.
 
bennett123
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RE: LON-BOD/EGC BA Cheaper Than FR!

Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:22 pm

Personally I view STN as a dump, but that is another story.

I suppose if you were coming from Essex ...

How far is Bergerac from Bordeaux?.
 
Danny
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RE: LON-BOD/EGC BA Cheaper Than FR!

Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:24 pm

Nothing new. I've just booked two trips DUB-FRA-DUB and Aer Lingus to FRA was cheaper than Ryanair to Hahn.
 
bennett123
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RE: LON-BOD/EGC BA Cheaper Than FR!

Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:32 pm

But Hahn is in such a beautiful rural location Wink
 
7LBAC111
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RE: LON-BOD/EGC BA Cheaper Than FR!

Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:50 pm

Quoting Richardw (Thread starter):

Thats purely a lead in fare. Chances are that, when demand picks up, the lower BA fares will be long gone, and FR fares will remain in and around the region they are currently selling at. Don't forget that while both BA and FR only offer a few of their cheapest seats for sale, the BA cheapest fare is still £9.99 more than the 0.01p offering FR advertise.

Personally I'd pay £30 more before considering FR on this route.

7L
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planesarecool
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RE: LON-BOD/EGC BA Cheaper Than FR!

Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:53 pm

What's the bet that this turns into a FR-bashing fest, like most threads where FR is mentioned on this forum?

And it's not just FR, BA are about half the price of EZY on LGW-MAD-LGW for travel in March.
 
ThePRGuy
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RE: LON-BOD/EGC BA Cheaper Than FR!

Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:00 pm

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 5):
But Hahn is in such a beautiful rural location Wink

So are all of FR's airports...
Lets not forget Reus
Only a 'short and cheap' connection to Barcelona
Alex
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bennett123
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RE: LON-BOD/EGC BA Cheaper Than FR!

Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:01 pm

If you want to go to Frankfurt go BA, if you want Koblenz to FR.

Incidentally, Hahn is closer to Luxembourg City than Frankfurt.
 
manni
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RE: LON-BOD/EGC BA Cheaper Than FR!

Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:01 pm

You made the comparison, however the average 'uneducated' passenger does not make the comparison and assumes FR is the cheapest. These are the passengers FR counts on and a very vocal O' Leary makes sure the myth is kept. FR is not always the cheapest, as you just showed, and certainly not after adding the charges for the amenities that are include in the 'other airlines' ticket and the extra transport costs to get to and from an airport that is only named after the city of your location by FR. Try flying BRU-BCN and you end up flying from Charleroi to Girona.  rotfl 
 
XXXX10
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RE: LON-BOD/EGC BA Cheaper Than FR!

Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:06 pm

I certainly have no wish to bash FR, personally from past experience I would only travel FR if it was significantly cheaper.

If you fancy a coffee on the plane or wish to check in a couple of small bags BA could be cheaper by about £25, on a £73 ticket that is a good saving.

I am sure that on another day the saving could be in favour of FR, personally I would pay another £20 or £30 to go with a full fare carrier and not have to spend an hour at check in or have the scrum at boarding .
 
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RE: LON-BOD/EGC BA Cheaper Than FR!

Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:21 pm

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 6):
the BA cheapest fare is still �9.99 more than the 0.01p offering FR advertise.

Hmm, interesting! Perhaps FR could adverise that BA's cheapest fare is 100000% more expensive as theirs. Likewise BA could claim that on FR you have to pay an additional 50000% to FR's cheapest fare to check in a bag...
 
planesarecool
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RE: LON-BOD/EGC BA Cheaper Than FR!

Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:22 pm

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 8):

Lets not forget Reus
Only a 'short and cheap' connection to Barcelona

Reus/Salou is a popular holiday destination in the Costa Dorada. Very few passengers flying to Reus will actually be going to Barcelona.

Quoting Manni (Reply 10):
that is only named after the city of your location by FR

No, you'll find that most airports they fly to are actually named after the city they're designed to serve. PIK is called Glasgow Prestwick, so why shouldn't FR advertise it as Glasgow Prestwick? HHN is called Frankfurt Hahn, so why should they just advertise it as Hahn, as apposed to Frankfurt Hahn, which is the name of the airport?
 
ThePRGuy
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RE: LON-BOD/EGC BA Cheaper Than FR!

Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:27 pm

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 13):
Reus/Salou is a popular holiday destination in the Costa Dorada. Very few passengers flying to Reus will actually be going to Barcelona.

Planesarecool, I am getting at the fact that they (until recently) advertised it as Barcelona.
We all know its an FR trick, come on !
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PanHAM
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RE: LON-BOD/EGC BA Cheaper Than FR!

Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:31 pm

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 5):
ut Hahn is in such a beautiful rural location Wink

Be glad you know that, I was once asked at a gas station near FRA how far it is still to Hahn. The guy's flight departure was about an hour away.
Was Erlauben Erdogan!!!
 
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RE: LON-BOD/EGC BA Cheaper Than FR!

Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:32 pm

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 3):
How far is Bergerac from Bordeaux?.

2 hours by car.

People flying to Bergerac will mostly be people visiting a vacation home in the very touristic Dordogne area, either they rented it or it's their second home. Depending on where in the Dordogne your home is, Bergerac can be way more comfortable.
 
planesarecool
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RE: LON-BOD/EGC BA Cheaper Than FR!

Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:46 pm

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 14):
Planesarecool, I am getting at the fact that they (until recently) advertised it as Barcelona.
We all know its an FR trick, come on !

If it was advertised as Barcelona, it was be "Barcelona (Reus)" and "Barcelona (Girona)." The fact that it's advertised as "Reus (Barcelona)," just means that they are advertising a flight to Reus, and the (Barcelona) bit is just to show anybody who doesn't know, that Reus is near Barcelona.

Similar to "Pau (Pyrenees)." People will go down the destination list and see "Pau" and think 'where the hell is Pau?' The (Pyrenees) bit tells them. People who fly into Toulouse or Bordeaux to access the Pyrenees will then be aware that there is a destination closer, which will mean less driving at the other end.
 
ThePRGuy
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RE: LON-BOD/EGC BA Cheaper Than FR!

Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:51 pm

Before recently, it was listed as Barcelona, which would mislead some travellers.
Now, it is listed as Reus.
Thats all i'm getting at!
Heathrow has been described as the only building site to have its own airport.
 
richardw
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RE: LON-BOD/EGC BA Cheaper Than FR!

Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:51 pm

easyJet

Friday 08 December London Luton to Bordeaux
flight 2533; dep. Fri 08 Dec 13:05
arr. Fri 08 Dec 15:45
£20.99
(per person)

Sunday 10 December Bordeaux to London Luton
flight 2536; dep. Sun 10 Dec 17:30
arr. Sun 10 Dec 18:10
£10.69
(per person)

Cost of your selection
Airfare per adult or child £31.68
(per person)

Taxes and charges per adult or child £15.00
(per person)

Total amount due:
1 adult
£46.68

and for those passengers near Clapham Junction, where SOU is possible

Flight No BE1645
(Economy) Fri 08 Dec 2006 10:40 depart. Southampton (SOU)
13:15 arrive. Bergerac (EGC)

Coming Back

Flight No BE1646
(Economy) Sun 10 Dec 2006 17:00 depart. Bergerac (EGC)
17:30 arrive. Southampton (SOU)

Fare

Booking for 1 passenger
Airfare per Adult or Child £ 53.42 (per person)
Taxes and charges per Adult or Child £ 43.61 (per person)
Total amount of airfare and taxes due for 1 Adult £ 97.03 (total cost)

FR cheaper than BE and U2 the cheapest.
 
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RE: LON-BOD/EGC BA Cheaper Than FR!

Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:52 pm

Nothing odd about the fact that BA can be cheaper than FR on certain routes at certain times, particularly since BA announced on 27 June 2006 that

Quote:
‘almost two million additional seats will now be available from Gatwick to Europe at astonishing prices. More than 900,000 will be priced from £29 one-way (including taxes and charges) and a further 700,000 from £34.”

You can even upgrade to Club Europe for just £50 each way.

I have often compared fares with BA with those offered by FR and U2, and I am surprised that several times BA compares favourably. Apart from the fact that you probably fly to the principal airport (not something like Girona disguised as Barcelona, or Naples as Rome South, in FR’s case), you benefit from BA’s full-service ethos including seat selection, online check-in for everyone, free baggage allowance, free carriage of sporting equipment etc. I often joke with my friends that by the time we have each purchased 2 x spirits/mixers on FR, our savings on fares have disappeared (BA does not charge for meals/drinks)!

Checking fares for LGW/AGP in July a short while back, BA often was cheaper than U2, ZB, and a host of other (so-called) LCCs on the route. By the time all extras were added to the basic ZB fares, ZB was over twice the price of BA on many flights.

Most people know that there are strings attached to the LCCs fares, despite claims made that they are cheaper than full-service airlines. BA is simply fighting back and, judging by their performance over the last few months, they are successfully beating off the threat posed by the LCCs. More people are flying and that means more revenue for the airlines.

But the $66million question remains, would BA (and other full-service airlines) have reduced their fares if FR had not appeared on the scene?

 scratchchin 
MOL on SRB's latest attack at BA: "It's like a little Chihuahua barking at a dying Labrador. Nobody cares."
 
richardw
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RE: LON-BOD/EGC BA Cheaper Than FR!

Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:18 pm

Quoting BCAL (Reply 20):
But the $66million question remains, would BA (and other full-service airlines) have reduced their fares if FR had not appeared on the scene?

They wouldn't have, the early booker has a lot of choice now. Same goes for DJ in Australia.

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