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express1
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JAL Boeing 777-300er's To Europe

Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:26 pm

The route alloccations for JAL Boeing 777-300er's have now been confirmed.

Obviously due to operational reasons, there wil be occasional aircraft change
(for example JA735J operated Frankfurt yesterday,but for the most part, each destination will get the same two aircraft.

Frankfurt-flight JL407/408 JA731J & JA732J
aircraft customised for the TYO-FRA route. No onboard internet fitted.

London-flight JL401/402 JA733J & JA734J
aircraft customised for TYO-LHR route. Fitted with onboard internet.

Paris-flight JL405/406 JA735J & JA736J- effective onces JA736J is delivered (on 22/8/06 and enters service.
aircraft customised for TYO-CDG route- (underwing Hair! and Garlic holders!)

JA735J was delivered on the 19/7/06
JA736J for delivery 22/8/06.

dave
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mauriceb
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RE: JAL Boeing 777-300er's To Europe

Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:32 pm

Im suprised AMS isn't in it, i thought they said that they would change the 747 in favour of the 777-300ER
 
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RobK
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RE: JAL Boeing 777-300er's To Europe

Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:02 pm

JA735J has been on the Copenhagen run quite a lot this month.

Thanks for the info on JA736J delivery due date, that's most welcome.

R
 
express1
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RE: JAL Boeing 777-300er's To Europe

Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:19 pm

Quoting RobK (Reply 2):

i'm most disapointed that JA736J is not coming to LHR,and JA735J hasn't visited yet,looks like that won't turn up either.  banghead 

dave
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raggi
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RE: JAL Boeing 777-300er's To Europe

Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:25 pm

Quoting RobK (Reply 2):
JA735J has been on the Copenhagen run quite a lot this month

JL flies to CPH? That's news to me!


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express1
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RE: JAL Boeing 777-300er's To Europe

Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:31 pm

Quoting Raggi (Reply 4):

is it,ok fill us in then!! in what you know

dave
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RobK
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RE: JAL Boeing 777-300er's To Europe

Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:49 pm

Sorry, meant Frankfurt. Dunno where I got Copenhagen from  Sad.

Yes, it's been on the JAL407/8 NRT-FRA-NRT flight for most of August thus far (JA735J).

R
 
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RE: JAL Boeing 777-300er's To Europe

Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:51 pm

Quoting Express1 (Reply 5):

Hey FunnyGuy, take it easy. I just looked at JL's homepage and it doesn't show that they fly with their own metal to CPH. If they do, I stand corrected.


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express1
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RE: JAL Boeing 777-300er's To Europe

Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:11 pm

Quoting RobK (Reply 6):

ahh so i must apologise to Raggi and blame rob K lol  stirthepot  he he he

never mind, we all make them.

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Thorben
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RE: JAL Boeing 777-300er's To Europe

Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:32 am

I think I already saw a JAL 773ER flying to Frankfurt some weeks ago. It hade a large contrail and was pretty loud despite its height.
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RE: JAL Boeing 777-300er's To Europe

Fri Aug 18, 2006 4:08 am

Curious that the two aircraft currently serving NRT-FRA don't have onboard internet. Will those two, JA731J and JA732J, be retrofitted with onboard internet some time into the future?
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gigneil
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RE: JAL Boeing 777-300er's To Europe

Fri Aug 18, 2006 5:12 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 9):
It hade a large contrail and was pretty loud despite its height.

A 773ER? Loud?

They're extremely quiet on the outside... even compared to some smaller aircraft.

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RE: JAL Boeing 777-300er's To Europe

Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:51 pm

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 11):
A 773ER? Loud?

They're extremely quiet on the outside... even compared to some smaller aircraft.

That one was louder than a 747, a 737 or any Airbus at comparable height. The only thing even louder was an An-124, that was so loud I believed it was flying at 1,000 instead of 30,000 feet.
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Avatordon
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RE: JAL Boeing 777-300er's To Europe

Sun Aug 20, 2006 12:00 am

Wonder when the remaining 747 flying to Europe will change over to 777? AMS is due this fall I think but not sure about MXP & FCO.
 
A388
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RE: JAL Boeing 777-300er's To Europe

Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:32 pm

Quoting Thorben (Reply 12):
That one was louder than a 747, a 737 or any Airbus at comparable height. The only thing even louder was an An-124, that was so loud I believed it was flying at 1,000 instead of 30,000 feet.

The 773ER isn't loud at all, you barely hear it at take off. If the aircraft made a lot of noise it most likely is another aircraft type. I can't imagine a 777 being loud, especially the 773ER....

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RE: JAL Boeing 777-300er's To Europe

Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:42 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 10):
be retrofitted with onboard internet some time into the future?

Mute point in fitting any more aircraft.

Boeing last week finally as expected pulled the plug on the huge loss making Connexion service.
The satellites will get turned off at the end of the year.
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RE: JAL Boeing 777-300er's To Europe

Sun Aug 20, 2006 6:38 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 14):
The 773ER isn't loud at all, you barely hear it at take off. If the aircraft made a lot of noise it most likely is another aircraft type. I can't imagine a 777 being loud, especially the 773ER....

It was a 773ER of JL, I could see the raked wing ends and the red on the tail, it was going to Frankfurt from Japan.
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RE: JAL Boeing 777-300er's To Europe

Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:03 pm

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 1):
Im suprised AMS isn't in it, i thought they said that they would change the 747 in favour of the 777-300ER



Quoting Avatordon (Reply 13):
AMS is due this fall I think but not sure about MXP & FCO.

AMS is not getting the B77Ws. AMS will be getting the B772ER this fall. MXP and FCO are to remain with the B744 for the winter schedule. ZRH will go offline again for the winter season.
 
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RE: JAL Boeing 777-300er's To Europe

Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:08 pm

Was referring to 777 fleet-type, not whether it was B77W or B7772ER. We have been advised that all European flying will cutover to Boeing 777 (regardless of type) flying eventually. Pacific flying to follow, but whad something to do w/ETOPS certification.
 
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RE: JAL Boeing 777-300er's To Europe

Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:55 pm

What will JL do with the 747's that will be freed when changing to 773? Maybee open new routes to Europe?
 
Avatordon
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RE: JAL Boeing 777-300er's To Europe

Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:25 pm

No new European flying planned - believe me. JL routes that make money are mostly China and to a lesser degree, US - the 777s going to Europe to increase efficiency and drive yield up
 
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RE: JAL Boeing 777-300er's To Europe

Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:38 am

Quoting Express1 (Thread starter):

Paris-flight JL405/406 JA735J & JA736J- ...(underwing Hair! and Garlic holders!)

London-flight JL401/402 JA733J & JA734J
aircraft customised for TYO-LHR route. Fitted with onboard internet.

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A388
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RE: JAL Boeing 777-300er's To Europe

Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:14 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 17):
AMS is not getting the B77Ws. AMS will be getting the B772ER this fall. MXP and FCO are to remain with the B744 for the winter schedule. ZRH will go offline again for the winter season.

So will AMS get the 772ER permanently or just for the upcoming winter schedule. If I visit AMS next year summer will JL still be using the 772ER to AMS or will it be changed back to 744 or maybe even the 77W?

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RE: JAL Boeing 777-300er's To Europe

Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:15 pm

Quoting Robbie86 (Reply 19):

Some 744s are going to be converted to 744Fs and the remainder will replace some 747 classics.

Quoting A388 (Reply 22):

The next 773ER is slated for delivery in 2008, so AMS should stay 772ER, or perhaps discontinued altogether, which wouldn't totally shock me.
 
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RE: JAL Boeing 777-300er's To Europe

Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:29 pm

A lot of the 744 are going to be fitted as the B747-400 Freighters. I am pretty suprised because on their magazine it stated that JL plans to fit JA8922 (or some of their other new 747-400 as the BCF). That was a suprise to me since they only received this aircraft in 2001.

Yes, honestly, it seems like JL is cutting back a lot of capacity on its EU routes. AMS, LHR, FRA. and CDG. That would free up a lot of B744.

I flew on JA734J a few days ago from NRT-ITM on my way back from YVR. Wow, I couldn't even feel the gears go up. Same thing when they geared down again. I just heard a tiny 'click' and the gear was down.
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A388
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RE: JAL Boeing 777-300er's To Europe

Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:10 pm

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 23):
The next 773ER is slated for delivery in 2008, so AMS should stay 772ER, or perhaps discontinued altogether, which wouldn't totally shock me.

Discontinue AMS? Why? I thaught AMS is a good destination for JL (?)

A388
 
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RE: JAL Boeing 777-300er's To Europe

Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:51 pm

Quoting Thorben (Reply 12):
That one was louder than a 747

Wasn't a 773ER then. The 773ER's takeoff profile is very much quieter than any 747 flying.

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