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RE: A380's To North America?
SFO is A380 ready, and i think LAX is also(maybe not). umm thats all i know.
RE: A380's To North America?
I've always wonder if GSO will see any FX A380s once the hub is opened. Does anyone have any creditable insight on this? I would guess maybe during holiday season they might have one?
RE: A380's To North America?
There is a lobby building in Congress to keep the A380 out of N.A. and rightly so.
The issue is distribution of costs. The infrastructure changes cost in the multi millions and why should AA or UA or DL carry the burden. If they do the costs will be passed on down to the employees.
At LAX the TBIT does not have the wing-tip clearance for the B747 let alone the A380. Why should the dominant airlines pay that cost? If the carriers using the A380 would bear the cost then the airport fees will become cost prohibitive. Therefore the answer at LAX is to remote park the ACFT and bus pax to the FIS. This means a pax coming in on the A380 will spend about 90 minutes longer on the ground than if he flies in a B767 or any other widebody.
The issue is distribution of costs. The infrastructure changes cost in the multi millions and why should AA or UA or DL carry the burden. If they do the costs will be passed on down to the employees.
At LAX the TBIT does not have the wing-tip clearance for the B747 let alone the A380. Why should the dominant airlines pay that cost? If the carriers using the A380 would bear the cost then the airport fees will become cost prohibitive. Therefore the answer at LAX is to remote park the ACFT and bus pax to the FIS. This means a pax coming in on the A380 will spend about 90 minutes longer on the ground than if he flies in a B767 or any other widebody.
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RE: A380's To North America?
If QF wants to fly from SYD to DFW, can't they order the new Boeing 747-800 to launch that route and replace the old 744's?
The distance from DFW to SYD is 7459 nautical miles and the range of the 747-800 is 8000 nautical miles. So wouldn't that work OK for them?
Thanks for the answers.
JOE.
The distance from DFW to SYD is 7459 nautical miles and the range of the 747-800 is 8000 nautical miles. So wouldn't that work OK for them?
Thanks for the answers.
JOE.
RE: A380's To North America?
| Quoting American777 (Reply 53):
If QF wants to fly from SYD to DFW, can't they order the new Boeing 747-800 to launch that route and replace the old 744's? |
I don't think they will replace the B744 not any time soon.
| Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 42):
I think I read in am older thread that QF is considering doing a SYD-DFW route with their A380 to connect with the AA hub traffic beyond LAX |
| Quoting Ordryan28 (Reply 43):
they would have the loads you think to send their A380's to DFW? |
Their main focus at the moment is LAX
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RE: A380's To North America?
Actually, SFO maybe among the very first cities to get A380-800 service in the USA. The reason is simple: the airport right now is ready to accept the plane.
With the opening of the current International Terminal (Concourses A & G) at the end of 2000 and the completion of runway strengthening/taxiway widening during 2003, SFO will likely get A388 service fairly early on, with service from Singapore Airlines on the SIN-HKG-SFO route and Lufthansa on the FRA-SFO route. I will not be surprised that Airbus flies one of their A388 test planes to SFO some time this fall to check runway/taxiway/parking gate compatibility on behalf of SQ.
With the opening of the current International Terminal (Concourses A & G) at the end of 2000 and the completion of runway strengthening/taxiway widening during 2003, SFO will likely get A388 service fairly early on, with service from Singapore Airlines on the SIN-HKG-SFO route and Lufthansa on the FRA-SFO route. I will not be surprised that Airbus flies one of their A388 test planes to SFO some time this fall to check runway/taxiway/parking gate compatibility on behalf of SQ.
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| Quoting BoeingFever777 (Thread starter): LH LAX JFK? VS JFK? QF LAX? SQ LAX? AF JFK, LAX? |
It surprises me that no one mentioned MIA as an A380 destination. LH, AF and VS have indicated they want to use the A380 to MIA. At least that is what I've read here so far. MAH4546 probably knows more about this as I see him as the MIA expert
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| Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 46): Pax service is highly unlikely, though cargo service may materialize one day. |
AF6435 flies MEX DFW CDG every Tuesday.
| Quoting Ordryan28 (Reply 43): they would have the loads you think to send their A380's to DFW? |
I don't have particular information on that, I'm just relaying what I have heard. A SYD DFW makes sense only in relation to using DFW to connect to AA's flights and serve most of North/Central America in one stop to/from SYD. DFW is not as crowded as LAX and AA serves many more destinations non-stop from DFW than LAX.
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RE: A380's To North America?
I think that JFK, ANC, EWR, MEM, IND, ORD, LAX, SFO, YUL, and YYZ would be the initial batch. Remember, by the end of 2008 there may be 30 flying, with SIA, QF, and EK getting the majority of these. Of those, look for the routes where they are already flying 2 or 3 777 or 747's currently a day.
QF will do SYD-LAX and or SYD-SFO, possibly both but it takes two on each route. SYD-LHR with a midpoint stop is for sure.
SIA will be doing 3 or 4 routes with it.
EK will eventually be doing some 25 routes with them. So far, they only fly to New York. So it will be a lot of LHR, CDG, and Asia / Australia routes.
Airports that only get a few 777 and 747's a day I would not expect to see daily 380 flights to. For example DEN has low to moderate international traffice with UAL being the most likely alliance member, but wouldn't ORD or SFO make more sense to connect to United. Same with PHX or LAS.
Things will change when there are a 100 380's flying, but even then the most likely city pairs are those with > 2,500 passengers each way per day if there are 3 or more carriers doing the route. If one airline has over 600 per day it might make sense but yields on the quiet days or low season might be quite painful.
QF will do SYD-LAX and or SYD-SFO, possibly both but it takes two on each route. SYD-LHR with a midpoint stop is for sure.
SIA will be doing 3 or 4 routes with it.
EK will eventually be doing some 25 routes with them. So far, they only fly to New York. So it will be a lot of LHR, CDG, and Asia / Australia routes.
Airports that only get a few 777 and 747's a day I would not expect to see daily 380 flights to. For example DEN has low to moderate international traffice with UAL being the most likely alliance member, but wouldn't ORD or SFO make more sense to connect to United. Same with PHX or LAS.
Things will change when there are a 100 380's flying, but even then the most likely city pairs are those with > 2,500 passengers each way per day if there are 3 or more carriers doing the route. If one airline has over 600 per day it might make sense but yields on the quiet days or low season might be quite painful.
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| Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 49): I don't see how anyone can make such a statement, I have been flying (in a GAF Nomad no less) with some blokes from BA's fleet / planning department and they both said "when, not if" on the A380. That said, BA (and the UK's) current fixation with this terrorism doesn't even bode well for the 747-8. |
just relating what I've heard
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| Quoting JayinKitsap (Reply 58): QF will do SYD-LAX and or SYD-SFO, possibly both but it takes two on each route. SYD-LHR with a midpoint stop is for sure. |
SYD-LAX is correct but it won't be the first flight. MEL-LAX will be the first flight. SYD-SFO will not happen anytime soon once QF recieve the A380 this will free up the B744ERs enough to provide a daily service to SFO.
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Curious - people keep referring to QF doing the SYD-SFO on a 380. I know it's still some time away, but considering they just recently re-entered this market after a considerable absence, would they have enough traffic to justify the 380, even on the 3x weekly that I believe they are flying now? UA still has the daily 744 on this route.
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| Quoting BillReid (Reply 52): There is a lobby building in Congress to keep the A380 out of N.A. and rightly so. The issue is distribution of costs. The infrastructure changes cost in the multi millions and why should AA or UA or DL carry the burden. If they do the costs will be passed on down to the employees. At LAX the TBIT does not have the wing-tip clearance for the B747 let alone the A380. Why should the dominant airlines pay that cost? If the carriers using the A380 would bear the cost then the airport fees will become cost prohibitive. Therefore the answer at LAX is to remote park the ACFT and bus pax to the FIS. This means a pax coming in on the A380 will spend about 90 minutes longer on the ground than if he flies in a B767 or any other widebody. |
The A380 will not be kept out of "North America". That is ridiculous. First of all, Canada and Mexico are included in North America, and I highly doubt Congress can make rules for them. Secondly, the FAA is certifying the A380 (or has certified?). I would really LOVE to see any credible source that indicates the A380 will somehow be barred from US airspace. That sounds like wishful thinking.
In regards to LAX, it is currently undergoing the renovations to be A380 ready. Two gates on either end of TBIT are undergoing renovation, and T2 will have A380-capable jets (for VS, AF, etc). Yes, some A380 may have to be remotely parked when those gates are in use, but no more so than any of the other airplanes that are remotely parked on a daily basis.
Finally, airports are making decisions on a case-by-case basis on investing in the infrastructure improvements required for the A380. For those airports likely to see the plane -- LAX, SFO, JFK, ORD, MIA, etc, it is worth the improvement costs. For others -- ATL, LAS, etc, they have decided it is not worth it. Just as the 747 forced airports to make infrastructure investment decisions, so too is the A380. Some will, some won't, but the issue certainly WON'T be decided by Congress.
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RE: A380's To North America?
| Quoting A388 (Reply 56): It surprises me that no one mentioned MIA as an A380 destination. LH, AF and VS have indicated they want to use the A380 to MIA. At least that is what I've read here so far. |
People have stated this but I believe this will be seasonal only correct?
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RE: A380's To North America?
| Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 49): Quoting Ordryan28 (Reply 35): "yes, but as mentioned, BA will not order the A380, rather the 748." I don't see how anyone can make such a statement, I have been flying (in a GAF Nomad no less) with some blokes from BA's fleet / planning department and they both said "when, not if" on the A380. That said, BA (and the UK's) current fixation with this terrorism doesn't even bode well for the 747-8. |
I think this statement has been repeated so often on a.net that it is simply, uncritically accepted as true.
I would be willing to take money on betting that BA buy the 380 sometime in the next 10 years. As one of the worlds major airlines with a very diverse network, I'm guessing that at some point there will be a strong business case for it, particularly if the 747-8 dies in the water.
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RE: A380's To North America?
MIA's new South Terminal is "A380 Friendly" so they are more than on their way to getting ready...
As stated, AF, LH have clearly stated MIA will see A380 service and VS has dropped the MIA name also as a possible candidate.
As stated, AF, LH have clearly stated MIA will see A380 service and VS has dropped the MIA name also as a possible candidate.
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