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Is There Any First Class-seats Only?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:59 pm

After Concorde went out of traffic I went thinking. Is there any airline flying with First Class-seats only now? If so, which route?
 
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RE: Is There Any First Class-seats Only?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:04 pm

EOS JFK-STN

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RE: Is There Any First Class-seats Only?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:16 pm

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 1):
EOS JFK-STN

EOS is a "J" or Business Class Product, not a First.
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RE: Is There Any First Class-seats Only?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:34 pm

IS Midwest Express a J class or buisness class product? They fly out of MKE and MCI.

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RE: Is There Any First Class-seats Only?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:35 pm

The seats on Concorde couldn't really be described as first class either! The service perhaps was, but the seats were more like those found in Premium economy products of today!
 
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RE: Is There Any First Class-seats Only?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:22 pm

YX on their signature service comes to mind.
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RE: Is There Any First Class-seats Only?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:25 am

How about Privatair's 73G/BBJ AMS-IAH for KL? Or LH's PrivatAir service 319 DUS-ORD?
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Robbie86
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RE: Is There Any First Class-seats Only?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:28 am

Quoting Duggy (Reply 4):
The seats on Concorde couldn't really be described as first class either! The service perhaps was, but the seats were more like those found in Premium economy products of today!

I mentioned Concorde just so that people can understand what I mean.
 
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RE: Is There Any First Class-seats Only?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:03 pm

Concorde I believe was a more J class type seat.

Now in regards to flights like that... PrivatAir is as close as you will get. All J class in a small plane with a very executive atmosphere.
 
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RE: Is There Any First Class-seats Only?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:14 pm

Doesn't some European airline offer BBJ service to Texas in an all business environment?

Oh, and YX? Hardly even J, let alone F. Try an above average Y.
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RE: Is There Any First Class-seats Only?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:49 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):

EOS is a "J" or Business Class Product, not a First.

Who are you kidding? Apples and oranges, Eos is an all first class airline.

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RE: Is There Any First Class-seats Only?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:21 pm

Concorde offered a premium economy amount of space, although the seat was a bit more comfotable than the current WT+.

An all F service is not likely to occur IMHO. On a 772 an all F layout would be about 40 to 50 seats and I can't see any route at the moment requiring that many all at once, obviously LHR-JFK but that over a several hour period.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):
EOS is a "J" or Business Class Product, not a First.

Very much so, and they advertise as an all J product, although it is a higher specification J product than many airlines offer.
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RE: Is There Any First Class-seats Only?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:27 pm

Quoting Aviationwiz (Reply 9):
Doesn't some European airline offer BBJ service to Texas in an all business environment?

Oh, and YX? Hardly even J, let alone F. Try an above average Y.

Are you kidding? It is easily a Domestic F, or a very decent J as narrow-bodies are concerned.

If you consider amenities (free liquor, meal, etc.), then I see your point to a degree. Otherwise, I can't agree with you in the least.
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RE: Is There Any First Class-seats Only?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:32 pm

Quoting Flick70 (Reply 12):
Quoting Aviationwiz (Reply 9):
Doesn't some European airline offer BBJ service to Texas in an all business environment?

Oh, and YX? Hardly even J, let alone F. Try an above average Y.

Are you kidding? It is easily a Domestic F, or a very decent J as narrow-bodies are concerned.

If you consider amenities (free liquor, meal, etc.), then I see your point to a degree. Otherwise, I can't agree with you in the least

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RE: Is There Any First Class-seats Only?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:22 pm

Agreed on the 2x2 Signature service on Midwest being pretty much equal to domestic narrowbody first class. They have 25 of these aircraft and fly them on about two dozen routes.

The key is that it compares well with US domestic narrowbody first class -- which is precisely the markets they fly it in. It's not widebody international F -- no sleeper seats, no 55" pitch, etc.
 
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RE: Is There Any First Class-seats Only?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:32 pm

My former teacher flies YX and loves it. I think every first class flyer should at least try YX one time and compare it to CO, or UA on a similar route.

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RE: Is There Any First Class-seats Only?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:34 pm

maxjet comes to mind. they fly 767s with all C class seats. thats pretty close.
 
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RE: Is There Any First Class-seats Only?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:45 pm

Quoting Aviationwiz (Reply 9):
Doesn't some European airline offer BBJ service to Texas in an all business environment?

That's KLM using Privatair BBJ registered HB-JJA on KL0663/KL0664 between AMS-IAH-AMS; daily ex AMS except wednesday  Smile
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RE: Is There Any First Class-seats Only?

Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:05 am

Quoting Wdleiser (Reply 8):
Concorde I believe was a more J class type seat.

Although the seat on BA after 2001 was a cradle seat it only had 37" pitch. Certainly nothing like J class on airline in the last 15 years...


Quoting FL370 (Reply 16):
maxjet comes to mind. they fly 767s with all C class seats. thats pretty close.

Not flown Maxjet but have seen a few pictures of their seats and it looks more like a Premium Economy seat with more recline, closer to a last generation J seat.

As for Eos, well certainly am excellent looking J product and it compares very favourably with a number of International F products but it is marketed as J. This is because many corporate types can't fly F under their corporate policy so by marketing it as J you instantly treble (if not more) your potential customer base.
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RE: Is There Any First Class-seats Only?

Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:10 am

Eurofly has an A319CJ all-business class (not first though...) they use on the MXP-JFK route.


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