GneissGuy
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SQ A345 Turned Back To EWR After Engine Problem

Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:47 am

Was reading this in the local papers today. An SQ A345 had to turn back to EWR after one of its engines failed in-flight. Passengers reported seeing smoke and orange sparks coming out of one of the engines. Plane had to circle for 75 mins to burn off fuel before being allowed to land.

Anyone has more info?

[Edited 2006-08-21 04:56:35]
 
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RE: SQ A345 Turned Back To EWK After Engine Problem

Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:50 am

you mean EWR? this would explain the A345 from flight 21 that didn't depart (or maybe it did) on Saturday 8/19, now scheduled to leave on Monday 8/21, per the SIA website. someone else posted earlier today asking about the SQ a/c during the day at EWR. I went online and that's what I found.

[Edited 2006-08-21 04:52:55]
 
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RE: SQ A345 Turned Back To EWK After Engine Problem

Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:53 am

yea, i saw that and was wondering the problem myself. I looked on flight aware and there had to be 400 circles above NY, and then returned to EWR. Feel bad for the pax!!
 
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RE: SQ A345 Turned Back To EWR After Engine Problem

Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:57 am

Quoting Flyswim (Reply 1):
you mean EWR?

Yup, i meant EWR. Sorry for the typo, have had the correction.

Thanks
 
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RE: SQ A345 Turned Back To EWR After Engine Problem

Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:02 pm

Quoting JLDWC (Reply 2):
I looked on flight aware and there had to be 400 circles above NY, and then returned to EWR. Feel bad for the pax!!

 
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RE: SQ A345 Turned Back To EWR After Engine Problem

Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:02 pm

just checked it out on flightaware - wow, 2+ hours of cricling. wonder if they tried to correct the problem upstate before decided they had to return to EWR? those final circles near albany must have been the fuel burn.
 
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RE: SQ A345 Turned Back To EWR After Engine Problem

Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:06 pm

Topic already exist:
SQ A340 At EWR At 11AM Today, Why? (by Worldsurfer Aug 21 2006 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: SQ A345 Turned Back To EWR After Engine Problem

Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:06 pm

Quoting GneissGuy (Thread starter):
Plane had to circle for 75 mins to burn off fuel before being allowed to la

I thought the A345 had fuel dumping capabilites , does anyone know?
 
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RE: SQ A345 Turned Back To EWR After Engine Problem

Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:12 pm

Looks like they got a nice tour of Messina NY.
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RE: SQ A345 Turned Back To EWR After Engine Problem

Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:20 pm

Funny how they decided to turn back exactly before reaching the Canadian border.
 
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RE: SQ A345 Turned Back To EWR After Engine Problem

Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:04 am

The Aircraft has finally departed EWR for SIN on Monday at 10:44 EST
according to SIA's web site
 
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RE: SQ A345 Turned Back To EWR After Engine Problem

Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:20 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 8):
Looks like they got a nice tour of Messina NY.

Well they did, but keep in mind that the flight departs EWR at 11pm. So that would have been horrible to spend the wee hours of the morning circling and circling and then to arrive back at EWR when the airport was completely dead. Fortunately SQ is good about taking care of its passengers, and the A345 only carries about 180 passengers, so there wouldn't be too many people to take care of.
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RE: SQ A345 Turned Back To EWR After Engine Problem

Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:21 am

I was driving past EWR yesterday and I was surprised to see the SQ A345 on the tarmac at a remote stand and not at the gate. Now I know why.
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RE: SQ A345 Turned Back To EWR After Engine Problem

Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:22 am

Quoting CPDC10-30 (Reply 9):
Funny how they decided to turn back exactly before reaching the Canadian border.

I'm guessing that it was to save on air traffic costs or something?

Anyway, what an embarassingly expensive diversion. All that wasted kerosene and time!
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RE: SQ A345 Turned Back To EWR After Engine Problem

Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:00 am

So what does an airline like SQ do in a situation like this? Who handled the MX at EWR? I imagine they put some of the passengers on their flight out of JFK...But would the rest wait until the aircraft was fixed and depart then or what?
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RE: SQ A345 Turned Back To EWR After Engine Problem

Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:54 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 14):
So what does an airline like SQ do in a situation like this? Who handled the MX at EWR? I imagine they put some of the passengers on their flight out of JFK...But would the rest wait until the aircraft was fixed and depart then or what?

I think the biggest problem will be having 60 Raffles Class passengers, since that is an awful lot of business class seats. I'm guessing that they put people on other airlines. Sure it might not be nonstop, but there are a lot of ways to get from New York to Singapore since you can go via Asia or Europe.
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RE: SQ A345 Turned Back To EWR After Engine Problem

Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:15 am

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 13):
Anyway, what an embarassingly expensive diversion.

Aren't all such diversions embarassing and expensive? It beats the alternative, though.
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RE: SQ A345 Turned Back To EWR After Engine Problem

Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:19 am

Quoting JAM747 (Reply 7):
I thought the A345 had fuel dumping capabilites , does anyone know?

Why should they pollute the environment when they don't have to ?
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RE: SQ A345 Turned Back To EWR After Engine Problem

Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:30 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 17):
Why should they pollute the environment when they don't have to ?

You're going to be poluting the environment whether you're dumping fuel or burning it.
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RE: SQ A345 Turned Back To EWR After Engine Problem

Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:36 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 18):
You're going to be poluting the environment whether you're dumping fuel or burning it.

True, but dumping it is much worse.
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RE: SQ A345 Turned Back To EWR After Engine Problem

Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:53 am

What kind of weights are we talking about? The 345 has an MTOW of 365,000kgs, but what is its Maximum Landing weight, so we can work out roughly how much fuel it had to dump.

For a flight from EWR to SIN, assuming KUL as the diversion airport, I'm guessing a fuel load of about 130,000kgs; the OEW is 170,000kgs and a payload of around 25,000-30,000kgs (guesswork, but based on a full pax load and about 5,000kgs of freight), giving a TOW of about 320-330,000kgs.
 
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RE: SQ A345 Turned Back To EWR After Engine Problem

Tue Aug 22, 2006 7:16 am

Noting that Jet-A above 10K cruise generally evaporates quickly into the airstream...so burned or not, it will still pollute..but 1 hr 15 with a bad engine (of course based on crew assessment) seems like a long time up yonder when a quick trip out over the Atlantic may have been faster-then again, it may not have been of an urgent nature-although that is a silly statement considering any engine failure is serious-thank goodness it was contained.

I take that flight often, and the takeoff roll on that bird is like no other.....you think that you will not get off the ground....but then listen to the reassuring triple spools on the RR's gearing up.....and gracefully-there you are, a 19 hour journey on board a great airplane on board one of the world's best airlines....what better feeling than watching the world slip from beneath you-traveling to lands far beyond.

OK-so the RR coughed a spit a bit.....bird strike maybe?

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RE: SQ A345 Turned Back To EWR After Engine Problem

Tue Aug 22, 2006 7:29 am

Quoting JLDWC (Reply 2):
I looked on flight aware and there had to be 400 circles above NY...

or, from the other thread,

Quoting JLDWC (Reply 2):
it circled over NY for 75 minutes... in the end there was about 200 circles

So, which is it?

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RE: SQ A345 Turned Back To EWR After Engine Problem

Tue Aug 22, 2006 8:12 am

I thought that flights originating from EWR and LGA, as an unwritten rule, land at JFK concerning emergencies or engine outs.
 
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RE: SQ A345 Turned Back To EWR After Engine Problem

Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:55 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 17):
Quoting JAM747 (Reply 7):
I thought the A345 had fuel dumping capabilites , does anyone know?

Why should they pollute the environment when they don't have to ?

I agree , but I was wondering if incase there was a major emergency and the plane had to land quickly, does the A340-500 have the ability to dump fuel?
 
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RE: SQ A345 Turned Back To EWR After Engine Problem

Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:21 am

Quoting JAM747 (Reply 25):

I agree , but I was wondering if incase there was a major emergency and the plane had to land quickly, does the A340-500 have the ability to dump fuel?

A340 does, A330 does not. A340 has a port to dump fuel from out under the wing. Does anyone know if there are guidelines on dumping fuel in terms of concerning the environment, and whehter or not it has to be an emergency?
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RE: SQ A345 Turned Back To EWR After Engine Proble

Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:59 am

Quoting JAM747 (Reply 25):
I agree , but I was wondering if incase there was a major emergency and the plane had to land quickly, does the A340-500 have the ability to dump fuel?

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RE: SQ A345 Turned Back To EWR After Engine Problem

Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:06 pm

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 26):
Does anyone know if there are guidelines on dumping fuel in terms of concerning the environment, and whehter or not it has to be an emergency?

I don't know if this is any help but....

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Mr. Paice: To ask the Secretary of State for Transport (1) how many (a) incidents of dumping of aviation fuel there were and (b) tonnes of aviation fuel were dumped in UK airspace in the last year for which figures are available; [92264]

(2) what regulations and guidelines there are on the amount of aviation fuel loaded onto aircraft at (a) UK airports and (b) military bases; and how this relates to the planned journey and flight time; [92261]

(3) what regulations exist to control the dumping of aviation fuel into UK airspace; and whether the regulations differ for civil and military aircraft; [92262]

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(4) whether a pilot dumping aviation fuel is required to report the activity; and what records are maintained of incidents of the dumping of aviation fuel; [92263]

(5) what offence the dumping of aircraft fuel into UK airspace constitutes. [92266]

Mr. Jamieson: Article 56(3)(b) of the Civil Aviation Air Navigation Order 2000 permits the jettisoning, in cases of emergency, of fuel from an aircraft over the UK. Other than in an emergency, jettisoning would constitute an offence liable on summary conviction to a fine of up to £2,500, as provided for in Article 122(5).

As in any emergency, the pilot and the air traffic controller would normally report the circumstances under the Mandatory Occurrence Reporting Scheme. There were 19 such incidents in the UK in 2002. There were 1,666,000 air transport movements in the UK in 2001. Details of the amount of fuel jettisoned are not normally recorded as part of the Scheme, and could be provided only at disproportionate cost.

As regards fuel loaded onto an aircraft, Article 6 of the Order referred to effectively requires the operator to ensure that the pre-flight calculation of usable fuel for a flight covers taxying, trip (take-off to landing), contingency (normally 5 per cent. of trip fuel), diversion to alternative destination, final reserve fuel (30 minutes holding), additional fuel if required by the type of operation (e.g. extended range twin engined operation) and any extra at the commander's discretion.

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RE: SQ A345 Turned Back To EWR After Engine Problem

Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:06 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 25):
A330 does not

I think it is an option.



But if the aircraft had been a twin, fuel dumping would have been inevitable, IMO. Thankfully it was a quad !
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RE: SQ A345 Turned Back To EWR After Engine Problem

Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:04 am

The threads explained why I spotted two SQ A340-500s at EWR two Sundays ago! I saw the first SQ A340-500 on the tarmac which looked as if it had an engine problem (guys in overall, ladders, flood-lights on, etc.). However, when I taxied (on an AC flight) a few hours later (thanks to delays at EWR!), I saw a second SQ A340-500 at the gate, business as usual. It was surreal to see two of its ultra-long range beauties so far away from their home base.

SQ must have put the pax on other flights as suggested in the thread. They could not have send a second a/c when they discovered the 1st one had an engine problem, did they? I wonder what happened to the engine. Thanks for your input. FYI, this site is awesome!! Cheers!

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