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Quoting Dazeflight (Reply 5): Quoting Xaphan (Reply 2): Has anyone been to a piano lounge onboard a 747 lately? nobody ever talked about a piano lounge. So cut the crap already, it gets old. |
Quoting Dazeflight (Reply 5): nobody ever talked about a piano lounge. So cut the crap already, it gets old. |
Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 8): We can all speculate. |
Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 4): How many passengers really give a damn what the aircraft is? It gets them from A to B (sometimes via C) for a certain cost. |
Quoting Jasond (Thread starter): Much has been said of the A380 but I can't help but feel that the final vote of confidence will be dealt by none other than the passenger. |
Quoting Baroque (Reply 12):
It also will depend on how the airlines chose to use the space, and so far we don't really know much on that. |
Quoting Jasond (Reply 14): The A380 has the possibility to offer more space to the individual |
Quoting Jasond (Reply 10): I think passengers will give a damn. Consider the airline that has a highly efficient point-to-point aircraft for not that much more. One experience with the A380 'cattle carrier' and the hands reach into the pocket for the tiny bit extra without the messy hub transfers. The fact that it may have to go through C (the aforementioned hub-to-hub model) is another reason that will make it thoroughly unpleasant, I suspect. |
Quoting Jasond (Reply 14): think flying point-to-point on a 787 would be more enjoyable. |
Quoting Joni (Reply 1): Ultimately the passengers will decide how full of seats the A380s will be. |
Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 9): This bird is going to succeed or fail only on how efficiently and cost-effectively the airlines will be able to operate it as compared to other aircraft types. And nothing else. |
Quoting Dazeflight (Reply 13): Quoting Leelaw (Reply 6): One wonders whether anything as spacious will show-up on the A380? Last time I checked, we've been talking about the A380 here. Even though Xaphan tossed the B747 into here, he was clearly directing his argument at the A380. |
Quoting Brilondon (Reply 20): I think that there is real profit in the higher end travel and you may see a larger B/F section in these planes and yet a significant number of Y class still in the back end of the lower deck. |
Quoting Dazeflight (Reply 13): The crap to cut is the crap to state that the A380 has actually and seriously been advertised as having piano lounges, swimming pools or the stuff that people like you always refer to, aboard. Since the day the project was launched, it is common knowledge that the plane, while being more comfortable than other current airliners and offering additional amentities, won't offer a tennis court, a swimming pool or a piano bar. Nobody ever seriously considered this. And don't post those funky interior artist impressions from years ago - I was saying "seriously considering", those pics just show what is possible. There is a big difference in that. |
Quoting Jasond (Reply 14): Both QF and SQ have decided to opt for reduced capacities to start with. The big selling point with this aircraft is space. Airbus sells the aircraft to airlines saying that it's initial configuration can accomodate 555 pax. The |
Quoting Khobar (Reply 22): "Airbus has billed its A380 as a flying hotel and cruise ship, featuring such items as duty-free shops and in-flight dining areas. " |
Quoting BillReid (Reply 3): How long will it take to enplane and de-plane in the cheap seats. And how long will it take to clear baggage claim and customs. |
Quoting Dazeflight (Reply 25): Sources and dates please? Without those, I can only classify those quotes as the media crap I was talking about earlier. |
Quoting Dazeflight (Reply 25):
Sources and dates please? Without those, I can only classify those quotes as the media crap I was talking about earlier. |
Quoting Antiuser (Reply 26): How long does it take to board and deplane a 747 in high density configuration? There's your answer. |
Quoting Jasond (Reply 10): I think passengers will give a damn. Consider the airline that has a highly efficient point-to-point aircraft for not that much more. One experience with the A380 'cattle carrier' and the hands reach into the pocket for the tiny bit extra without the messy hub transfers. The fact that it may have to go through C (the aforementioned hub-to-hub model) is another reason that will make it thoroughly unpleasant, I suspect. |
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Quoting Khobar (Reply 22): Seems the airlines know what they consider "serious". From various sources |
Quoting Leelaw (Reply 6): One wonders whether anything as spacious will show-up on the A380? |
Quoting Agill (Reply 24): Maybe duty-free stuff are a thing now when you can't bring your own stuff on the plane. To sell it in flight could be a way around that problem (well except for the fact that you'd end up with hundreds of bottles of alcohol in the cabin) |
Quoting Keesje (Reply 33): Airbus & Boeing just don´t determine how a cabin looks. |
Quoting Khobar (Reply 28): Quoting Dazeflight (Reply 25): Sources and dates please? Without those, I can only classify those quotes as the media crap I was talking about earlier. "Passengers on Virgin's A380s, he declared, would be able to go to the gym or use the aeroplane's beauty parlour. There would be large bars, a casino and even a few double-beds, he said, quipping about there being "two ways of getting lucky" on a Virgin A380 flight." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4184987.stm --- "The twin-deck widebody of the roomy A380 has meant that some airlines have requested on board showers, an office, a childrens' play area, a gym, a bar, shops, a smoking area, and a mini casino." (article mentions test flight to LHR in May 2006 in past tense) http://www.aerospace-technology.com/projects/a380/ --- "Airbus has billed its A380 as a flying hotel and cruise ship, featuring such items as duty-free shops and in-flight dining areas. " January, 2005 http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/209051_interior24.html --- "Virgin Atlantic’s A380s are going to be bigger and better than any aircraft which has preceded them with bigger and better cabins for all our passengers - for us, size matters," he said. "The capability exists for some airlines to put up to 800 passengers on board their A380s, but at Virgin we believe that we stay ahead of the competition by looking after the passenger, which is why we will only seat 500 people. "For both business class and economy travellers, we will be introducing a range of new features, because as a small airline, we need to innovate. These will include a gym area, larger bars and a beauty parlour. "We also plan to include a casino and double beds, which means there will now be two ways of getting lucky on board our aircraft," he joked with reporters. He added: "These innovations will ensure a better travel experience for everyone." "It’s the most exciting aircraft to be built for 50 years. The A380 is a beautiful looking aircraft, it’s incredibly quiet and tremendously fuel efficient, which is surprising given it’s the biggest civil aircraft ever built. I believe it is the future of flying." Richard Branson, A380 unveiling ceremony, January 2005. --- "As first in the world to operate the A380 at the end of 2006, Singapore Airlines will pioneer a new era in global commercial aviation. Customers on the Singapore Airlines A380, particularly those in the premium classes, will enjoy the greater luxury and comfort that the increased space on this aircraft affords. There will be less than 480 seats in a three-class configuration on the Singapore Airlines A380, although the aircraft was designed to accommodate 555 passengers in the same layout. The cabin products on the Singapore Airlines A380 will also be noticeably different from what is on offer today. The Airline has ten A380s on firm order, and fifteen on option. Singapore Airlines, October 2005 --- And one for the easily offended: AIRBUS A380: A WHALE OF PLANE! Despite looking a bit like a Whale with wings, this is a species of the air that will be flourishing by 2006. http://www.bbc.co.uk/southerncountie...community/airbus/a380.shtml[Edited 2006-08-21 20:22:16] |
Quoting Jasond (Reply 14): flying point-to-point on a 787 |
Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 16): Okay tell me this? What on earth is the point in having say 4 787s leave SYD for LHR within say 2 hrs of each other so they can reach LHR by the time the curfiew allows, and their slots allow, only to tie up additional gates and require additional groundstaff, tie up more slots and make lets say, the same profit? Ditto for JNB, Hong Kong, NRT etc. This point to point thing is great if you wanna go from say, Amsterdam to Atlanta, but what if you do wanna go from 1 major place to another? |
Quoting Goingboeing (Reply 7): Quoting Dazeflight (Reply 5): nobody ever talked about a piano lounge. So cut the crap already, it gets old. What crap is there to cut? The 380 was marketed as having everything...cocktail lounges, weight rooms, all kinds of amenities...just like the 747 had this great piano lounge on board when it first came out. The bottom line is, the 380 will become just a 555 passenger jet, and not the spa in the sky that many drempt it would be. |
Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 8): Lugging luggage up the stairs is always fun, but never proved impossible with the spiral 747 staircase |
Quoting Coa747 (Reply 46): AMS-ATL are both very large hubs |
Quoting Vega9000 (Reply 50): Getting back on the "Passenger vote" - Did any airliner ever been a failure because the passengers didn't like it? |
Quoting Jasond (Reply 14): personally I think flying point-to-point on a 787 would be more enjoyable. |
Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 53): personally I think flying point-to-point on a 787 would be more enjoyable. |
Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 53): Explain, please. |
Quoting Stitch (Reply 21): * Quality - First and Premium Economy fares. * Quantity - Economy fares. * Quality and Quantity - Business Class fares. |