Russian Jet Crashed

Tony Lu · Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:54 pm

developing story:
Russian jet dissappared from radar screen.
believed to have crashed as a result of aging.

Black sea resort to Russia
Wreakage in Ukraine might be found.
SOS message was sent.

seen on ABC7

[Edited 2006-08-22 15:05:18]

[Edited 2006-08-22 15:20:24]

MH017 · Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:57 pm

hmmmmmm, this soon after the Moscow bombing ?

Could be something else...

qr332 · Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:58 pm

Any sources from the internet yet?

dc10heaven · Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:58 pm

CNN just reported plane with 170 passengers lost from radar on way to St. Petersburg. Apparently lost over the Ukraine.

lazyshaun · Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:59 pm

Just seen it on BBC news 24.
Disappeared of the radar over Ukraine, Ukraine govt reporting it is on fire on the ground. Tu-154, 170 pax.
Very scetchy details at the mo.

pnqiad · Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:59 pm

CNN.com banner is saying the following: "A Russian passenger jet with 170 people aboard disappeared from radar screens after sending an SOS message and an emergency official said it probably had crashed, The Associated Press reports. "

Sad indeed. No more details yet...

sampa737 · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:00 pm

Found this off Drudge Report with a link to breitbart.com

MOSCOW
A Russian passenger jet with 170 people aboard disappeared from radar screens after sending a SOS message Tuesday and probably crashed, an emergency official said. The plane, on its way from the Black Sea resort of Anapa to St. Petersburg, disappeared from radar screens over Ukraine, Emergency Situations Ministry spokeswoman Yulia Stadnikova said.

EasternSon · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:02 pm

CNN is now reporting that the wreckage was found in the Ukraine.

Very sad.

ZakHH · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:02 pm

Quoting Tony Lu (Thread starter):
believed to have crashed as a result of aging.

Who actually claims to know the cause, when there isn't even reliable information about what really happened?

Sad news, anyhow.

lazyshaun · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:06 pm

Quoting ZakHH (Reply 8):
believed to have crashed as a result of aging

Quoting ZakHH (Reply 8):
Who actually claims to know the cause, when there isn't even reliable information about what really happened?

True, don't start saying thinggs like that unless you know. Everytime a Russian jet crashes, some people are quick to say:"Its because it was old..."

Tony Lu · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:07 pm

Quoting ZakHH (Reply 8):
Who actually claims to know the cause, when there isn't even reliable information about what really happened?

It was claimed by ABC7 of the San Francisco Bay Area. They said (not me) it crashed probably due to the jet aging.

[Edited 2006-08-22 15:09:01]

QANTASforever · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:10 pm

First -

I sincerely hope that everyone walks away from this crash, although I somehow doubt it.

Quoting Tony Lu (Thread starter):
believed to have crashed as a result of aging.

Ridiculous. It's impossible to conclude such a thing at such an early stage.

Quoting Tony Lu (Reply 10):
It was claimed by ABC7 of the San Francisco Bay Area. They said it crashed probably due to the jet aging.

As if the general media would have a clue.

QFF

lxlgu · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:10 pm

According to Sky News is a TU154
Crahed 30kms north of Donetsk Ukraine

MH017 · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:11 pm

Pulkovo is operating AAQ-LED with T54 on Tuesday: sad news indeed Sad

toltommy · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:12 pm

I'd just be interested to know which airline had the accident at this point!

strangelesi · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:13 pm

I'm seeing it in portuguese television.

Russian Tupolev on fire before crash.

160 PAX 10Tripulation
30 cadavers found by ukranian and russian emergency teams

Tony Lu · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:13 pm

ABC7 confirmed that the wreakage has been found.

Rotate · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:14 pm

Quoting MH017 (Reply 13):
Pulkovo is operating AAQ-LED with T54 on Tuesday

Flight FV610

RIP

Robin

HAWK21M · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:16 pm

Any Links.
regds
MEL

hiflyer · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:19 pm

Report: Russia airliner with 170 aboard crashes

Tuesday, August 22, 2006; Posted: 9:14 a.m. EDT (13:14 GMT)

MOSCOW, Russia (CNN) -- A Russian plane crashed in the Donetsk region of eastern Ukraine Tuesday afternoon, according to the news agency Interfax, quoting the Ukrainian Emergencies Ministry.

Russia's state-run RIA Novosti reported wreckage has been found in Ukraine.

Interfax said the Tupolev TU-154 aircraft had about 170 people on board when it crashed about 3:25 p.m.

It was en route from the Black Sea resort town of Anapa to St. Petersburg.

lazyshaun · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:21 pm

BBc says 30 bodies found. Doesn't say whether their dead or alive.

Buyantukhaa · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:22 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 18):
ny Links.
regds
MEL

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5274958.stm

Alessandro · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:23 pm

Weather here in Lithaunia has been very mixed the last week, heavy rain, sunshine and lightning, anyone got the weather forecast for Donetsk?

L410Turbolet · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:23 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 18):

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060822/ap_on_re_eu/russia_plane

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060822/ts_nm/ukraine_crash_dc

OttoPylit · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:25 pm

CNN now states the plane was Pulkovo Airlines Flight 612. And as reported, 30 bodies found so far.

OttoPylit

jamesontheroad · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:25 pm

From http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060822/52990026.html

Quote:
MOSCOW, August 22 (RIA Novosti) 17:04 - A Russian Tu-154 airliner with 160 passengers and ten crew onboard crashed over eastern Ukraine near the Russian border, emergency services said Tuesday.

Russian television's Channel One reported that 30 bodies had been found at the site of the crash.

"On Tuesday, at 15.39 [local time - 12:39 GMT], a Tu-154 airliner of the [St. Petersburg-based] Pulkovo Airlines ... sent a SOS signal and disappeared from radars," the source said. "Preliminary data suggests that the plane crashed 45 kilometers (30 miles) north of Donetsk."

The plane was en route from the resort of Anapa on the Black Sea in southern Russia to St. Petersburg.

From http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5274958.stm

Quote:

Russian plane crashes in Ukraine
Last Updated: Tuesday, 22 August 2006, 13:05 GMT 14:05 UK

A Russian passenger plane carrying at least 160 people has crashed in eastern Ukraine, Russian news reports say.

The Tupolev-154 was flying from southern Russia to the country's second city of St Petersburg when it disappeared from radar.

Ukraine's Emergencies Ministry told Reuters news agency the airliner had crashed in flames.

Helicopters were circling the site about 45km (30 miles) north of the town of Donetsk, the ministry said.

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[Edited 2006-08-22 15:29:55]

strangelesi · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:25 pm

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 22):
Weather here in Lithaunia has been very mixed the last week, heavy rain, sunshine and lightning, anyone got the weather forecast for Donetsk?

http://wwwa.accuweather.com/index-wo...=0&zipcode=EUR|UA|UP004|DONETSKIY|

Buyantukhaa · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:27 pm

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 22):
nyone got the weather forecast for Donetsk?

METAR: UKCC 221230Z 21004MPS 9999 -TSRA OVC007CB 19/17 Q1008 26290254 TEMPO VRB12MPS 2000 TSRAGR SQ
short-TAF: UKCC 212245Z 220009 18006MPS 9999 SCT020CB PROB30 TEMPO 0009 3000 -TSRA SCT007 BKN020CB TX28/09Z TN21/01Z
long-TAF: UKCC 220940Z 221818 33005MPS 9999 BKN020 SCT030CB TEMPO 1806 VRB12MPS 1400 TSRAGR BKN007 BKN020CB TEMPO 0618 VRB12MPS 2000 TSRAGR BKN020CB

Edit for normal language description:
The report was made 55 minutes ago, at 12:30 UTC
Wind 9.0 mph from south/southwest
Temperature 66°F
Humidity 88%
Pressure 29.77 in. Hg
Visibility greater than 6.2 miles
Overcast at a height of 700 ft , cumulonimbus.
light thunderstorm rain

[Edited 2006-08-22 15:28:51]

KATL757 · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:34 pm

CNN.com linkage -

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/08/22/russia.crash/index.html

COERJ145 · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:40 pm

Wow, what is up with these russian airliner crashes? RIP Sad

pilotaydin · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:41 pm

hey there...wow i just flew there yesterday and the weather was horid enroute, we were trying to dodge CB left and right and it was a rough ride, sux they had bad weather ontop of an emergency

keego · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:44 pm

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 14):
I'd just be interested to know which airline had the accident at this point!

It was Pulkovo Airlines according to SKY News,

Regards,
Steve.

[Edited 2006-08-22 15:48:40]

UN_B732 · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:45 pm

Wow - Pulkovo generally is safe. Can a Tu-154 seat 170 passengers? I went to http://www.pulkovo.ru but the site appears to be down.
-Mr. X

sovietjet · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:46 pm

There's only been 3 major crashes involving Russian airliners and only this one is fatal AFAIK. The Il-62 that crashed in April or May and the Russian AF Tu-134 were both without fatalities. I love how the American media always assumes the reason a Russian plane crashes is because it is old or something related.

MH017 · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:47 pm

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 32):
Can a Tu-154 seat 170 passengers?

According the Pulkovo timetable, the TU154 seats between 132-158...it stated somewhere, there were 160 passengers and 10 crew...full flight !!!

ReverseThrust · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:47 pm

Sad news. I was flying on a TU154M and TU134A3 just this weekend in Russia with Aeroflot and Aeroflot Nord between Moscow and st. Petersburg.

I had a great ride and would gladly do it again.

Another sad day for Aviation

RIP.

richierich · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:48 pm

Quoting Lazyshaun (Reply 20):
BBc says 30 bodies found. Doesn't say whether their dead or alive.

Usually when they say "bodies", that implies 'dead'. Sad tragedy in this case.
Let's all hope for some survivors but it doesn't sound good.

HT · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:48 pm

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 32):
Can a Tu-154 seat 170 passengers?

Form https://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=376 :
Capacity
Flightcrew of three or four. Typical single class seating for 158 to 164 at six abreast, or 167 in a high density layout for Tu-154;
Tu-154M seats a maximum of 180 at six abreast and 75cm (29.5in) seat pitch.

keego · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:50 pm

Does anyone have any clue as to what caused the crash, a post on this thread said something about ageing. Is this true?

usnseallt82 · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:52 pm

Just caught this. Sad story indeed.

Another Russian crash.

ZakHH · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:57 pm

Only reliable information so far:

Obviously, a fire broke out onboard. Reason unknown.
Crew tried to initiate an emergency landing, but was unable to lower the gear.
Landing failed, plane crashed and burned out.

No information where exactly they tried to land on.

Aleksandar · Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:00 pm

Sad news indeed Sad

May all the dead rest in peace tombstone

The news can also be found on RIA Novosti website. There were 154 adults, six children and 11 crew on board:
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060822/52992385.html

Buyantukhaa · Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:04 pm

Quoting ZakHH (Reply 40):
Crew tried to initiate an emergency landing, but was unable to lower the gear.
Landing failed, plane crashed and burned out.

Where did you read that?

afay1 · Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:10 pm

MSNBC is reporting that officials are referring to a fire onboard:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14465000/

They also should be more careful as the Tu-154 is Soviet-made, not Russian-made.

lordg · Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:12 pm

ne1 no how long they had been flying? what stage of flite were they up 2? confused

jamesontheroad · Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:15 pm

UPDATE Tuesday, 22 August 2006, 14:06 GMT 15:06 UK

From http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5274958.stm

Quote:
A Russian passenger plane carrying 170 people has crashed in eastern Ukraine.

Thirty bodies have been found at the crash site, about 45km (30 miles) north of Donetsk, a Russian official said.

The Tupolev-154 was flying from southern Russia to St Petersburg when it disappeared from radar screens following a distress signal.

The airliner was in flames on the ground, Ukraine's emergencies ministry said. Rescue workers were heading to the scene.

The crew sent a distress signal at 1537 Moscow time (1137 GMT), and the plane disappeared from radar screens at 1539 (1130 GMT), Irina Andrianova of Russia's Emergencies Ministry told Itar-Tass news agency.

The plane belongs to Pulkovo airlines, she said.

Ukrainian ministry spokesman Igor Krol said rescue teams had located the wreckage of the plane, Interfax news agency reported.

The plane had 160 passengers and 10 crew on board, and was travelling from the Black Sea resort of Anapa, emergency officials said.

Russian media reports said President Vladimir Putin had been informed of the crash.

The crash comes less than two months after at least 124 people died when a Russian Airbus A-310 skidded off a runway and burst into flames in the city of Irkutsk in Siberia.

CO7e7 · Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:16 pm

Sad news indeed..

RIP

pray

-Zaki

airbusA346 · Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:18 pm

Supposedly had a fire on board and then hit turbulence.

What sad news Sad

Tom.

efcar98 · Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:27 pm

I flew a Pulkovo TU-154 with my family from st petersburg to moscow and back JUST LAST WEEK. it was my first trip on a russian airliner. Before the flights I contemplated my whole family dying on the planes. I thought after we landed the second time how silly It was for me to think that there was any statistical chance of us actually crashing, but now i'm scared because it was more likely than I thought. I am curious to find out the tail number to see if it matches.

airbusA346 · Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:35 pm

It has just been reported on Sky News, that the Ukrainian officials think that all 171 people have died in the crash.

Tom.

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