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Navion
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EVA Firm Ordres 7 777X

Tue Jun 27, 2000 12:16 pm

EVA signed a contract (firm order) for 3 777LR's and 4 777ER's with options for 8 777X's. The deal is valued at $3 Billion.
 
Hamlet69
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RE: EVA Firm Ordres 7 777X

Tue Jun 27, 2000 12:20 pm

I believe you mean:

3 777-200LR
4 777-300LR

I don't believe they are buying the -200ER, or am I mistaken?

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RE: EVA Firm Ordres 7 777X

Tue Jun 27, 2000 1:42 pm

tidbits from Taiwanese media:
last year Airbus and EVA signed a letter of intentions for buying 12 A340s, but the airline let it expire without doing anything. Formal announcement will be made this afternoon Taiwan time (GMT+8, no daylight savings).

EVA now has 16 passenger planes, 10 combis and 9 freighters. They'll be receiving a cargo plane every year for the next 3 years; first one will be delivered late July. They want to aim for 60% freight and 40% passenger (45/55 right now) in revenue. They've got their roots in cargo shipping after all, I guess.  
 
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RE: EVA Firm Ordres 7 777X

Tue Jun 27, 2000 1:51 pm

To go back even farther; In 1995, EVA signed a Letter of Intent (LOI) with Boeing for 4 777s with an additional 4 options. Rumor at the time ran that this LOI would launch the Combi variant of the 777-200. Of course, nothing became of it. Interesting to note that China Airlines also signed a LOI for 4 777s (no options) at the same time. They went on to order A340-300s last year.

Hamlet69
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RE: EVA Firm Ordres 7 777X

Tue Jun 27, 2000 2:06 pm

So maybe this deal would launch the 777 combis? Or maybe they find some creative way of using the overhead spaces... just kidding. Don't think anyone considers EVA creative.

What's known about the CI order then? They've been expanding on freight too... is there such a thing as an A340 freighter? Or it's probably easier with the 747s.

Anyway, me and my bad english, got LOI wrong. Sorry.  
 
Navion
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Hamlet69

Tue Jun 27, 2000 9:24 pm

Actually Hamlet, the -200X is the 777-200LR. The -300X is the 777-300ER. Kind of confusing isn't it?
 
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RE: EVA Firm Ordres 7 777X

Tue Jun 27, 2000 10:07 pm

Navion, actually, Hamlet is right, they are both LR models...although, I have read Alan Mullally referring to the -300X as the ER somewhere   Now THATS what makes it confusing.

Sammy
 
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SammyK & Hamlet69

Tue Jun 27, 2000 11:55 pm

A thousand pardons. My bad.
 
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RE: EVA Firm Ordres 7 777X

Wed Jun 28, 2000 12:23 am

When Boeing announced the launch of the 777-200X and 777-300X they were referred to as 777-200LR and 777-300ER. But now Boeing call them "longer range 777", not LR!. Maybe the LR/ER designations confused customers because of differences between 200ER and 300ER?
 
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RE: EVA Firm Ordres 7 777X

Wed Jun 28, 2000 12:34 am

Navion,

Think nothing of it.

I've known for a while that they both will be -LR. This is fact. Why Mr. Mulally called the it the -300ER, I have no idea.

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RE: EVA Firm Ordres 7 777X

Wed Jun 28, 2000 12:54 am

I think that purchasing B777s is better than A340s for EvaAir.
As a Boeing 777 fans, I must say this.
And I think almost of the readers had read that China Airlines from Taiwan has placed an order for A340-300s.
I think Eva is not want to use the same model of CI.
They are really/completely rival.

Alan
 
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RE: EVA Firm Ordres 7 777X

Wed Jun 28, 2000 1:00 am

I don't think Eva has had any experience with Airbus aircraft unlike China Airlines which currently flies A300's. There was also some speculation that politics were involved in CI's purchase of A340's instead of 777's...
 
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Tupolev154B2: A Small History Lesson On CI Deal

Wed Jun 28, 2000 3:49 am

I lived in Taiwan during that order caballe and let me fill you in on some key facts and points:

Indeed politics -could- have played a role with the CI order but it was a technical and business decision for CI to order both Airbus and Boeing equipment.

The political aspects of this order were more for the US side of the order than anything else!

Why? I'll get to that in a moment.

The US side attempted to smear the Taiwanese into a corner stating that they were opting for the Airbus due to the way the Clinton Administration has treated Taiwan in recent years, particularly last year after former President Lee Teng Hui declared Taiwan and the People's Republic of China have a "Special state to state relationship". The reaction in Beijing was one of a missile rattling temper-tantrum co-enabled by a Pro-Beijing US Clinton administration deeply in bed with that regieme. The US Commander of Armed Forces in the Pacific derided Taiwan as nothing more than "excrement" ( a democratically elected government mind you) Then whispers got around to Seattle that CI had indeed chosen the A340-300 and A330-300 over the 777 because of the fact that CI is NOT an ETOPS certified carrier and would need at least one year additional in training and familiarization to be certified to fly the 777. That's when the rumors of the "politics" began in one Tacoma, WA based newspaper engineered/floated this ridiculous "politics" angle which then got whipped up in the US media.

Then a VIP aircraft in USAF markings carrying a US Congressional/Senatorial delegation shows up at Taipei to strong-arm President Lee into getting CI to change it's mind. He rebuked them and told them it was a matter only for CI to decide. One Senator Slade Gorton even insulted the Taiwanese when he said in reference to a possible Chinese attack on Taiwan "Who's going to defend Taiwan..? The French?!"

The hubris was incredible.

CI selected the A340/A330 due to technical considerations, AND selected the aircraft well before any of the political events of last year (Mr Lee's statement was in June, CI's selection was made in April/May 1999). So you see the power of a lie created dont you?

To smooth things over, CI ordered additional 737-800s as a bit of a peace offering to the US/Boeing side.

Still it seemed like nothing was good enough. They were mad. Tough Twinkies. Too bad. The US side acted like a truly overspoiled -child- in this and it was embarrassing as an American living in Taiwan to witness the spectacle my country's elected 'leaders' were inflicting for the sake of winning a business deal.

Granted, CI and the Taiwanese government had more than sufficient reason to make it a political decision given the way the US has treated Taiwan in recent years. The way a lie was engineered to make Taiwan look the "bad guy" was beyond the pale. I have a very interesting Wall Street Journal editorial on this and if you are interested I'll post it here. It is already in the archives, just search for messages with my user name and you'll find it..from last August/September.

Regards
MAC
 
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RE: EVA Firm Ordres 7 777X

Wed Jun 28, 2000 4:20 am

Having flown on EVA last week, I can tell you they have big emphasis on cargo. they have 3 passenger 747-400 and 10 747-400 Combis!!!. 3 MD-11 passenger jets and 10 MD-11 cargo planes and a bunch of 767s. they are all boeing and Ge operator.

It isn't surprising they ordered the 777LR with GE engines. they can use it from Taipei-New York. Currently this flight is flown with a 747-400 Combi with a stop in Seattle. Additional routes to the east coast could be in order with the LR.

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RE: EVA Firm Ordres 7 777X

Wed Jun 28, 2000 1:07 pm

OK, one more from the Taiwanese media. Like anywhere else in the world, I'm not saying what they say is true... because after what I've read on this forum, the following sounds kinda weird.

EVA says in the news today that the 777 is 22% more efficient than the A340. Since they're now suffering from extra costs on fuel, they wanted to go with Boeing.

This is probably total bull, but I thought it's worth bringing up.  
 
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Why CI Chose A330/A340

Wed Jun 28, 2000 3:26 pm

I think everyone is kind of missing the point of why China Airlines chose the A330 and A340 for their fleet upgrades.

First, don't forget that CI is a major A300-600R operator. The A330's will supplement and may eventually replace the A300-600R fleet.

Second, CI has never really expressed interest in using the 747-400. They did fly the 747-200 and 747SP, but they were subsequently replaced by MD-11's. CI will fly the A340-300 (which has almost the same seating capacity as the 747-200 but has longer range and lower fuel burn per passenger mile) for their non-stop flights from Taipei to Europe and the US West Coast.
 
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RE: EVA Firm Ordres 7 777X

Thu Jun 29, 2000 12:19 am

MAC,

good to see you back and unchanged after all these months. No Boeing model is good enough and only the US misbehaves in international business dealings.

Do you really think Europe is so lily white and pure? I only ask because your suppoosed "fair and objective" posts slam Boeing and the US harshly 100% of the time while I have never seen a single criticism of Airbus or Euope from you since joining the forum. You should delve a little into the other sides dirty laundry. I think you'd be surprised at how well our friends play this dirty game. I'll grant them this, they are certainly more sophisticated in keeping it quiet.
 
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RE: Navion

Thu Jun 29, 2000 12:41 am

Navion, to be "official" they are neither LR or ER, as Boeing still officially refers to them as "Longer Range" 777 models.

As far as Mullaly calling it the -300ER, I believe it was in a somewhat recent issue of FI, I will look it up to be sure, I could be wrong.

Sammy

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