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Cadet57
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RE: WN Needs A New Aircraft Fleet

Tue Aug 29, 2006 5:39 am

Quoting Af773atmsp (Thread starter):
Or if they want a bigger aircraft why not get the B767 or A330, but I doubt that will happen.

 rotfl   rotfl  Yep, right after they launch JFK-LHR...

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 39):
Ok, ill go start a thread how Air Tahiti Nui will start service to MKE.

NO WAY! They are? OMG thats so cool!!!!11!!!111!  Wink

Quoting 777fan (Reply 49):
The 757 is a wonderful aircraft and isn't any louder than anything else of comparable size. Don't know how you arrived at that conclusion...

He arrived at that most likely because he has no idea how WN operates and doesnt realize that EVERY airline oversells flights and what another a/c type would do to WN's cost structure...
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RE: WN Needs A New Aircraft Fleet

Tue Aug 29, 2006 5:44 am

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 34):
Yes I do know what I'm talking about. And its not ridiculous! Why not ask WN and see how full their 737s get a day.

Gee, I wish you would have started this topic sooner. I could have talked to Gary Kelly about the problem and revolutionary solution you propose when he visited us at SAN a couple weeks ago.  Yeah sure
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RE: WN Needs A New Aircraft Fleet

Tue Aug 29, 2006 5:44 am

Does anyone know when NW is going to retire the DC-9 fleet?  stirthepot 
 
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RE: WN Needs A New Aircraft Fleet

Tue Aug 29, 2006 5:44 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 31):
752s can theoretically be turned in under 45 minutes. Theoretically

I once was on a crew that turned one in under 30... of course, it was delayed like you wouldn't believe and we had about 8 people working the ramp side and a lot of pax REALLY motivated to get off or find their seats quickly.

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 37):
And I bet you think its ridiculous just because I think of better topics than you do!

How old ARE you? I haven't seen that kind of reply to something since... oh, 7th grade or so.

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 42):
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As many others have said, the 737-700 is the largest aircraft WN will use at least in the forseeable future. They may go slightly larger (149 pax) when the 737 replacement enters service, but I wouldn't bet on it.
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RE: WN Needs A New Aircraft Fleet

Tue Aug 29, 2006 5:47 am

Quoting Antoniemey (Reply 56):
How old ARE you? I haven't seen that kind of reply to something since... oh, 7th grade or so.

Accoring to his profile, 13-15.... makes sense....
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RE: WN Needs A New Aircraft Fleet

Tue Aug 29, 2006 5:48 am

Quoting Kempa (Reply 51):
Where does this end? You are right, the 732 aren't getting any younger. So they are being replaced by newer generation 737.

Ehh the 737-200's were retired and the 737-500 are being placed on the former 737-200 routes, while the -300 move in on some of the -500 routes and the -700 goes into some of the longer -300 routes and so forth.....

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 52):

Looks to me like PHX-PIT needs a second daily flight?

Why? It wasn't 100% full or even overbooked.

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RE: WN Needs A New Aircraft Fleet

Tue Aug 29, 2006 5:51 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 24):
It was never meant for high-frequency short routes.

Strongly disagree. Boeing designed the 757 for 350 mile segments through 3500 mile ones. It was in their marketing plan throughout the 757 career.

Quoting EmiratesA345 (Reply 28):
Can we raise the age limit?

Don't even get me started on that.  irked 

Quoting N1120A (Reply 31):
752s can theoretically be turned in under 45 minutes.

Probably less with the new over-wing jetways going into service.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 32):
So let me get all of this straight...a 13-15 year old watches the TV show Airline and thinks that he understands the Southwest business model, fleet selection, and fleet management better than their own managers do?

Well duh! Where do you think they get their consultations from???  crazy 

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 34):
Why not ask WN and see how full their 737s get a day.

There's a rumor flying around this industry that full planes make money, I think it's BS myself.

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 37):
If you think its ridiculous, why are you looking at it?

Why does one watch a train wreck, or skate boarders crunch their nuts over and over?

Take some advice Af773atmsp, be very careful about what you post here.
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RE: WN Needs A New Aircraft Fleet

Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:01 am

Quoting Af773atmsp (Thread starter):
I' ve been watching Airline the show on TV. Many times WN workers say the aircraft is full so you have to get on another flight. Two aircrafts would be perfect for WN. The B757 200 and 300 series and the A321. These two aircrafts would probably help with all the passengers during a WN flight. Or if they want a bigger aircraft why not get the B767 or A330, but I doubt that will happen.

Would they be flying them to your proposed international superhub at MSP if this were to happen?  Wink
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RE: WN Needs A New Aircraft Fleet

Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:05 am

The new WN aircraft fleet would be when traffic grows higher. Most likely from 2016 to 2020 WN would need a new fleet of some aircraft.
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RE: WN Needs A New Aircraft Fleet

Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:07 am

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 61):
The new WN aircraft fleet would be when traffic grows higher. Most likely from 2016 to 2020 WN would need a new fleet of some aircraft.

And, I guarantee you that the plane that will be chosen at that time is just a twinkle in some Boeing engineer's eye right now. But, it won't be too different from a 737 in terms of size. Even if we do go with a smaller a/c to serve smaller markets, as Gary has hinted since he won't rule anything out, a 737-sized plane will still be the backbone of the fleet.

[Edited 2006-08-28 23:09:51]
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RE: WN Needs A New Aircraft Fleet

Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:10 am

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 61):
The new WN aircraft fleet would be when traffic grows higher. Most likely from 2016 to 2020 WN would need a new fleet of some aircraft.

Well, I can say that WN will probably be a launch customer for Y1 (whatever it ends up being names), however, they will most likely not order aircraft that can hold more than 149 pax in their config.
 
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RE: WN Needs A New Aircraft Fleet

Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:12 am

Do you think it could be the 738 or the 739 or the 739LR? Or it could be the 797 that is just a little bit longer than 737 but fuel efficient and safe.
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RE: WN Needs A New Aircraft Fleet

Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:13 am

738- no
739-nope
739LR-that's a negative ghostrider.

But, as you mentioned, it will be a plane that is fuel efficient and safe. Kudos for nailin something on the head in this mumbo-jumble of a thread.
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RE: WN Needs A New Aircraft Fleet

Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:20 am

Oh, look, you were right!

Southwest does have an Airbus, albeit not an A321, but an A319!  

EDIT: I take back what I said, they do have an A321 in their fleet!

[Edited 2006-08-28 23:22:57]
 
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RE: WN Needs A New Aircraft Fleet

Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:31 am

Allright guys.....hes only between 13-15 years old...cut him some slack...We were ALL there once and we probably had some really silly notions regarding aircraft when we were younger, lest you have all forgotten where you came from....He is just stating his opinion. Quit acting like a bunch of savages going after your next meal....Sheesh....make me wonder why I participate on this forum with some of you.....Show a little kindness or is that not in your nature? Put anyone in a defensive situation then they will strike back....Y'all remind me of bullies in a schoolyard.....

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RE: WN Needs A New Aircraft Fleet

Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:35 am




Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 64):
Or it could be the 797 that is just a little bit longer than 737 but fuel efficient and safe.

Safe? Are you implying 737s are unsafe?




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RE: WN Needs A New Aircraft Fleet

Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:41 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 69):
Safe? Are you implying 737s are unsafe?

2H4

I was hoping someone wouldn't go there.......let's not go off on this tangent folks, please.
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RE: WN Needs A New Aircraft Fleet

Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:42 am

Quoting Jpax (Reply 66):
Southwest does have an Airbus, albeit not an A321, but an A319!

Yeah man, I saw it flying up to Grand Forks yesterday on the LHR-GFK route haha.

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 64):
Or it could be the 797 that is just a little bit longer than 737 but fuel efficient and safe.

Bud, you have no idea what the "797" will even look like, let alone how many pax it will hold. And are you saying that the 737 is not safe?? Where the hell do you come up with this stuff?


Kudos to the member that mentioned the age limit...
 
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RE: WN Needs A New Aircraft Fleet

Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:58 am

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 4):
Yeah B739s could help. And B757s are bad aircrafts. NW's B757s are kind of loud.

I think WN wants to have an aircraft that could fly BWi-PHX and DAL-AUS. Even a 739 would be a problem, it would restrict flexibility

Quoting Antoniemey (Reply 54):
How old ARE you? I haven't seen that kind of reply to something since... oh, 7th grade or so.

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RE: WN Needs A New Aircraft Fleet

Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:18 am

Because this has turned into a "slag-the-new-user" festival, I'm locking the thread and deleting those posts which are particularly egregious. Keep in mind the airliners.net is a community composed of all ages and knowledge levels and, I think, that adds to the flavor of the forum. Lest you forget, each of us had to start at little, if any knowledge of aviation. As such, please show the same respect to all users, old or new, that you would expect shown to you. Not to sound too hokey here, but respect is a two-way street - there are ways to respectfully answer questions you may find simple without resorting to the schoolyard bullying I've seen in this thread today. Frankly, it's a little disgraceful that grown adults would behave in the manner that some of you have chosen to.
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