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phoenixflyer
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Bringing Ice Onboard?

Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:00 pm

This sounds ridiculous, I know, but in the light of the liquid ban I was curious if there was any regulation about freezing a bottle of water and bringing that onboard. For short domestic flights it may not make a difference but for longer international flights the ice would melt into water and voila! you have your own supply of water. Yes I know all I have to do is ask a FA for a bottle if I get thirsty but I hate to bother them every 20 minutes for a new miniature bottle. What are your thoughts?
 
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:19 pm

they don't allow gels neither, so I guess the ban will apply for ice as well.
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kaukau
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:27 pm

Nope, screeners won't let you through a checkpoint with a bottle of frozen water, either. But you may bring an empty bottle through, fill it from an airside source, enjoy it in the terminal, empty it, and bring the empty bottle on board and do whatever you want with it. This is a messy can of worms, because a stupid bottle of water has caused in-air emergencies, if you can believe it.
 
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:52 am

I bet they'd let it through if you had the ice in a ziplock bag pressed against your "hurt shoulder"
 
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:33 am

Quoting Chase (Reply 3):
I bet they'd let it through if you had the ice in a ziplock bag pressed against your "hurt shoulder"

That's a negative. They will ask you to dump the ice and get new ice airside.
 
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:30 am

If you drink a bottle of water every 20 mins then it must be you that is always in the Loo
 
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:18 pm

Quoting Phoenixflyer (Thread starter):
This sounds ridiculous, I know, but in the light of the liquid ban I was curious if there was any regulation about freezing a bottle of water and bringing that onboard.

you're right, ridiculous question.

you would not get on one of my flights with a bottle of frozen water.
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ptugarin
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:24 pm

How about bringing a hot steam tank onboard. The steam will condense into water as it cools down.
 
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:33 pm

I think this is one for the courts to figure out. Ice is a solid, and there is nothing banning solids. Unless, of course, you had a gun made out of ice....  eek  My God! I hope Chertoff is reading this thread!
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:42 pm

Quoting Ptugarin (Reply 7):
How about bringing a hot steam tank onboard.

I would love to see the look on the TSA's faces when they tried to figure that one out.

Quoting We're Nuts (Reply 8):
Unless, of course, you had a gun made out of ice....

That would be cool, you could shoot bullets made of ice with compressed gas.
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:30 am

Quoting We're Nuts (Reply 8):
My God! I hope Chertoff is reading this thread!

Based on "homeland security" regulations which this buffoon institutes that do virtually nothing to protect homeland security, I think it safe to assume he cannot read to begin with.

Actually, considering how these zero tolerance, mindless robots behave, I would think a bottle of frozen water would be fine. First, it is a solid, not a banned "liquid". And secondly, it certainly isn't a jel. Or an aerosol for that matter either.

"Lord have mercy on our souls as we fly through thy heavens, and save us from the jello bombs carried by innocent appearing Swedish grandmothers" (Paraphrased loosely from an old Anglo-Saxon prayer for deliverance from Viking invaders in 7th century England)
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:34 am

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 10):
Actually, considering how these zero tolerance, mindless robots behave, I would think a bottle of frozen water would be fine.

Except you wouldn't have a 'bottle' of frozen water, you would have a broken bottle of frozen water - Water does expand when it freezes and would burst its container.
 
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:28 pm

Aha! The definitive answer
 
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:32 pm

Quoting ANother (Reply 12):
Aha! The definitive answer

I read the same in USA today this morning.... Frozen vegetables!!! The answer to all the problems  Wink
 
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:34 am

Quoting ANother (Reply 11):

Except you wouldn't have a 'bottle' of frozen water, you would have a broken bottle of frozen water - Water does expand when it freezes and would burst its container.

as long as its not "stuffed" with ice...it won't expand enough to burst the container..

also, the problem is that room temperature, the ice is already melting...so technically (theoretically actually), one would have ice+water in the bottle and that would be a big no-no.. no 

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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:42 am

My parents travelled LHR-BOM recently on BD and all passengers were handed a bottle of water as they entered the aircraft... I am sure those who wanted to bring one on board were certainly pleased. Any other airlines doing the same?
 
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:12 am

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 9):
I would love to see the look on the TSA's faces when they tried to figure that one out.

Actually it's quite easy. That would constitute a pressurised container filled with a gaseous substance which have been banned for years.
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:31 am

How about a bag of oranges and a manual juicer?

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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:05 am

Also, glass is a liquid (it just moves slightly every couple of centuries; look at glass planes in houses from the 17th century, and they will be much thicker on the bottom) and apparently isn't banned. Glass also can be used as a sharp object, which apparently isn't a big deal until some nut goes on an eyeglass-cum-razor rampage...
 
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:20 am

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 10):
First, it is a solid, not a banned "liquid".



Quoting We're Nuts (Reply 8):
Ice is a solid, and there is nothing banning solids



Quoting Ptugarin (Reply 7):
How about bringing a hot steam tank onboard.

All of these would include an amount of water in them either before the security check or before boarding ....so forget the silly examples.

..."oh, we're gonna have a battery powered cooling device so it doesn't melt before boarding"....

Let's move on......


Second thoughts.....try it and let us know how you get on.....



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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:52 am

Well, humans are made up of a lot of water as well, and we are not banned yet, so get off your high horse!
 
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:56 am

Quoting Afay1 (Reply 18):
Also, glass is a liquid (it just moves slightly every couple of centuries; look at glass planes in houses from the 17th century, and they will be much thicker on the bottom)

That is an urban legend. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass#Glass_as_a_liquid
 
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:46 pm

Quoting Chase (Reply 21):
That is an urban legend. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass#G...iquid

But then Wikipedia also claims the jury is still out and links to physics articles arguing that it is maybe a liquid afterall.
 
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:16 pm

As far as I know glass is a solid with some liquid like properties. The best example of how glass isnt totally a solid are the windows in really old houses. If the windows are original to a house say over 100 years old you can see ripples in the window pane. They werent made like that but over time the glass settles downwards. In the real world of physics there are many blends of chemical states.
 
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:06 pm

Quoting Tod (Reply 17):
How about a bag of oranges and a manual juicer?

that's a good one, but how are u going to power the juicer inflight?
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:13 pm

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 6):
you would not get on one of my flights with a bottle of frozen water.

I wouldn't even ask you!

Why do some stewardesses put them self on such a high horse?
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:34 pm

Quoting Chase (Reply 21):
Quoting Afay1 (Reply 18):
Also, glass is a liquid (it just moves slightly every couple of centuries; look at glass planes in houses from the 17th century, and they will be much thicker on the bottom)

That is an urban legend

BS - I've measured pane thickness of 90 year old windows after they were shatter by loud noise and the were all thicker on the bottom than top.

Quoting YLWbased (Reply 24):
Quoting Tod (Reply 17):
How about a bag of oranges and a manual juicer?

that's a good one, but how are u going to power the juicer inflight?

I was thinking about a hand powered one, maybe even one of the simple ones that you shove half an orange against and twist back and forth.

Edit: Or better yet, build one that will run on seat PC power.

Tod

[Edited 2006-09-20 15:35:46]
 
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:01 am

Quoting 747400F (Reply 25):
Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 6):
you would not get on one of my flights with a bottle of frozen water.

I wouldn't even ask you!

Why do some stewardesses put them self on such a high horse?

If you refused my instructions to give it up, i would with "my high horse" have you escorted off the aircraft. If you really tick me off, I may request you be arrested.

Call me names if you like. The outcome is up to you.
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sk909
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:12 am

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 6):
you would not get on one of my flights with a bottle of frozen water.



Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 27):
If you refused my instructions to give it up, i would with "my high horse" have you escorted off the aircraft. If you really tick me off, I may request you be arrested.

Now I am a Dane. I don't know what you Americans are playing over there. But my question is: Why can't you bring a bottle of water onboard? I could find soooo many more interesting things to hide a potential bomb in.

Now I understand that it is a rule, NOT a law, and you have to follow it, in order to get your retirement check. But why not ban laces, for that matter shoes, or computers or cell phones or clothes???? I mean why not ban food and beverages on airplanes. Were I a terrorist and I had the agenda to blow up a 747, I would find my way to get explosives loaded on the aircraft with the highloader.
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:36 am

Quoting SK909 (Reply 28):
Now I am a Dane. I don't know what you Americans are playing over there. But my question is: Why can't you bring a bottle of water onboard? I could find soooo many more interesting things to hide a potential bomb in.

The Brits told us to watch out for a plot to explode a liquid bomb made from component liquids, pastes and gels, brought on board in half-literish quantities, by several different accomplices, and disguised as things like bottled water, toothpaste and hair gel, and combined on-board in the lavatory to go boom.
So, since we dont have enough EDT machinery to screen everything, we put a ban in place.
 
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:46 am

My flight on Friday i have a question for regarding things on board. I ALWAYS take a little tub on Vicks Vapor Rub on board and use it to clear my nose while in flight as for some reason the cabin air blocks it up and gives me a nasty head ache if i dont use the vicks, will i be allowed to take this on board?
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sk909
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:54 am

Quoting Kaukau (Reply 29):
The Brits told us to watch out for a plot

Yes I heard of some people in England plotting to bomb something.

But my point is: Ok now we are banning bottled water, what will the next be? I mean now they won't try to disguise it as bottled water, toothpaste or hair gel. Now they will find some other way to bring it on board. The criminal mind is always one step ahead. Otherwise airplanes wouldn't have been used as bomb on buildings in the US...

And this is exactly what terrorism is about. So are we suckers to believe everything the state tells us, or are they right? Should we be more selective in our acceptance of what the governments tell us. Are they trying to subdue us so they can take our rights from us, or are we genuinely at high risk? Seriously - bottled water???

You will uphold the rule, NOT law, and we the other, will doubt the ban, and question it.

Quoting Kaukau (Reply 29):
So, since we dont have enough EDT machinery to screen everything, we put a ban in place.

And when the terrorists manage to place explosives in a trolley in the catering company, what than??? Do we ban food and beverages on board airplanes? Or how about luggage handlers? Could they smuggle a bomb on board? We then ban luggage??? Big grin
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sk909
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:59 am

Quoting SpeedBird203 (Reply 30):
will i be allowed to take this on board?

Probably not... Big grin It might be the beginning of a high yield nuclear bomb. So better not bring it along.

How about that snot...? Could that be used as a bomb? Better leve the snot at home.
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speedbird203
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:05 am

Yes lol this is all SAD, i really cannot believe what has happened, I recently flew to and from Spain for vacation with family and i could take anything on the plane once purchased airside, But going to the USA is a different story and they give a secondary check and the boarding gate!
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sk909
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:11 am

Quoting SpeedBird203 (Reply 33):
I recently flew to and from Spain for vacation

I hope you had a great vacation? And yes, I do think it is ridiculous to ban bottled water. The next will be that we have to strip at the gate and board the plane naked. It could make for an interesting flight though.... Big grin
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:16 am

I think your naughty minded there SK909 lol, I did have a wonderful vacation away, apart from getting ill the day before my return, And now i have a long flight to do and im dreading it with this cold because the return flight from Spain gave my ears so much pain, I have never had so much pain flying before, and i know it was because i have a cold. I used Vicks and un blocked my nose and it helped me settle and relax for the rest of the flight so i dont know what i'm going to do Friday lol.
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sk909
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:22 am

Quoting SpeedBird203 (Reply 35):
I think your naughty minded there SK909

Yes, well I didn't intend... Just reflecting on the situation... Or as Hamlet would have said... "There is something rotten in the state of Denmark..." :-;
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:35 am

Quoting Kaukau (Reply 29):
So, since we dont have enough EDT machinery to screen everything, we put a ban in place.

You're gonna need a better argument than that. We cannot carry them on, but they can go inside checked baggage....they still get on the aircraft....oh, yes, the checked baggage is inspected but we cannot do that to the carry-ons???



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sk909
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:45 am

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 37):
I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!

Oh yes... You must the that guy, the private eye... So you are Bond, James Bond?

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 37):
You're gonna need a better argument than that.

Yes they have to. It is too thin.
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:34 am

Quoting SpeedBird203 (Reply 33):
Yes lol this is all SAD, i really cannot believe what has happened, I recently flew to and from Spain for vacation with family and i could take anything on the plane once purchased airside, But going to the USA is a different story and they give a secondary check and the boarding gate!

But what if you've seen one too many MacGyver episodes? You could be capable of turning ice cubes and pepper into a cluster bomb.  duck 
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sk909
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:43 am

Quoting Aeroplan73 (Reply 39):
You could be capable of turning ice cubes and pepper into a cluster bomb.

Yes... Or mix bottled water and salt and make a Molotov cocktail... Big grin This is simply too stupid.
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:51 am

Quoting SK909 (Reply 40):
Yes... Or mix bottled water and salt and make a Molotov cocktail... This is simply too stupid.

What I love is that they ban gels, but women can still wear gel padded bras, and they don't care about gel insoles.

I can't decide if they are actually concerned about this liquid bomb concept, or simply playing a cruel joke on the travelling public.
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:00 am

Quoting Aeroplan73 (Reply 41):
I can't decide if they are actually concerned about this liquid bomb concept, or simply playing a cruel joke on the travelling public

Be certain that it is the later.

Quoting Aeroplan73 (Reply 41):
and they don't care about gel insoles.

How about trainers? I mean my Nike trainers have gel inside. AND what about breast implants? I saw this program on TV about a woman with an implant of 1,6 kilogram in EACH breast!!! Thats could be 3,2 kilograms of highly explosive material. The detonater could be the pacemaker.
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:13 am

Quoting 747400F (Reply 25):
Why do some stewardesses put them self on such a high horse

 laughing 
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RE: Bringing Ice Onboard?

Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:31 pm

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 27):
If you refused my instructions to give it up, i would with "my high horse" have you escorted off the aircraft. If you really tick me off, I may request you be arrested.

Can I have you escorted off if you tick me off?

The likes of you of you give aviation a bad name. Stewardesses with an attitude is the last thing we need.

Is it impossible for you lot to use the inside of your heads and actually consider the sense of your actions?

As other people have allready put forward in this thread, there are so many faults in the arguments about this rule (not law) that it is meaningless other than a mean to allianate your custumers.

If someone wanted to get explosives on aircraft it would be done - banning water and ice or not.
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