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Olympic Expands Network

Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:51 pm

It is official , and if everything goes as planned , Olympic Airlines (OA / OAL) will announce a new flight to Hong Kong (HKG / VHHH) as of october 29th, 2006.The flight (OA / OAL 481-2) in cooperation with Hellenic Duty Free shops and faux bijoux magnate Folli Follie , will be operated 3 times weekly , leaving Athens (ATH / LGAV) every Wednesday,Friday and Sunday at 19:00GMT/22:00 local , arriving in HKG 06:00GMT/15:00 local and flying back to ATH at 12:30GMT arriving 00:30GMT/03:30 local.
Flights will be operated with OA's 4 A340-300. Deals have been made to forward passengers into mainland China on Dragonair , and to ICN,MNL,KIX,NRT,SYD on Cathay Pacific.
To cover the gap on the ATH-LHR and ATH-CDG flights where OA is using the A340 , they are looking to lease five B737 or A320 (with Airbus leading the race rumors say) , specially configured to handle the big demand of Business class passengers on these routes. In addition they will further expand to the balkans , taking advantage of more aircraft in the fleet.Lack of aircraft has been olympic's main problem of route cutting the previous years.
Great news Olympic! it was about time to see the rings back in SE Asia.
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RE: Olympic Expands Network

Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:56 pm

Definitely very good news for Olympic.

And it would be even better if they go ahead with the A320s  

I was going to mention the start of Hong Kong flights a few weeks ago on this forum but at that time I didn't have detailed information, as all I knew was an announcement in the Grrek press.

[Edited 2006-09-24 13:02:06]
 
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RE: Olympic Expands Network

Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:01 am

Great news for OA.
According to the new business plan of the airline, more long-haul destinations and widebodied a/c will be added gradually. potential new destinations include:
beijing, delhi, chicago.
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RE: Olympic Expands Network

Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:27 am

I am MOST happy about the Dragonair "partnership". It was going to be VERY hard for OA to start some of the cities mentioned in other threads - ATH is a large city but, will an ATH-HKG flight do well on it's own? They can't just throw a route out there and see if it sticks, they only have 4 A340s. I am glad to see that they will be able to route passengers to other Asian cities with DragonAir!!!
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RE: Olympic Expands Network

Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:54 am

I think this route will do very well, remember that most of China's exports are carried on Greek-registered ships. If Greece has the world's biggest merchant marine, and China is the world's biggest exporter, there's gonna be loads of business travel; and Olympic also do a roaring trade in seamen (snigger). They have a whole seperate fare structure (really really cheap) for sailors, so that'll fill up the back as well. Plus tourist traffic and other China-bound business traffic.
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RE: Olympic Expands Network

Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:12 am

It arrives at 330 local???
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RE: Olympic Expands Network

Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:55 am

It will arrive a 15:30 local , after an 11 hour flight

Maverick you are correct. The flight itself is somehow "sponsored" by HDF and folli follie for a year , so Olympic has not much to loose. They will keep 50 seats to sell on every flight , they will make their connections in the market and after the sponsorship ends , they will have established a name already.

Plus there is a deal between the two governments for direct flights between Athens and Beijing , on Air China though. Olympic and Air China are codesharing for the moment through CDG.
There is a massive "tourist attack" in Europe from China , Greece included , so i guess that flights are going to be quite busy.
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RE: Olympic Expands Network

Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:19 am

Wait - - - some months back, OA was on the verge of being shut down and "replaced" with some new national carrier called Parthenon Airlines or something like that - - - wa-happened ?!?
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RE: Olympic Expands Network

Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:55 am

Quoting Anax (Thread starter):
will be operated 3 times weekly , leaving Athens (ATH / LGAV) every Wednesday,Friday and Sunday at 19:00GMT/22:00 local , arriving in HKG 06:00GMT/15:00 local and flying back to ATH at 12:30GMT arriving 00:30GMT/03:30 local.

Let's work on local, to make things a little easier.
So it is:

WED/FRI/SUN
dep ATH 22.00
arr HKG 15.00 + 1

MON/THURS/SAT
dep HKG 21.30
arr ATH 03.30+1

Quoting Anax (Thread starter):
Flights will be operated with OA's 4 A340-300. Deals have been made to forward passengers into mainland China on Dragonair , and to ICN,MNL,KIX,NRT,SYD on Cathay Pacific.

SYD??
So what does this mean for OA's codeshare with GF?

OA's schedule will connect with the 19.00 departures HKG-MEL/SYD.

Return connections will be a little longer, with 15.00 arrivals MEL/SYD - HKG, and a 21.00 departure to Athens?

[Edited 2006-09-25 03:57:33]
 
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RE: Olympic Expands Network

Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:31 am

Quoting CY319 (Reply 2):
Great news for OA.
According to the new business plan of the airline, more long-haul destinations and widebodied a/c will be added gradually. potential new destinations include:
beijing, delhi, chicago.

Great news!  yes 

OA to BWI would be nice.  bigthumbsup 

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RE: Olympic Expands Network

Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:56 am

Quoting CYatUK (Reply 1):
And it would be even better if they go ahead with the A320s  

OA is short on aircraft. I don't understand why they sold the 2 A300-600 to Iran Air.  Confused
A320 or the A320 family would be great for domestic / European routes, but for OA long haul routes, they will need more A340 / A330. Maybe A300s if available.

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RE: Olympic Expands Network

Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:43 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 8):
WED/FRI/SUN
dep ATH 22.00
arr HKG 15.00 + 1

MON/THURS/SAT
dep HKG 21.30
arr ATH 03.30+1

They really couldn't have waited a touch longer at HKG, say until 23.30, leaving just around the time of all the other overnight European flights and arrive back in ATH at a more civilized 05.30?
 
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RE: Olympic Expands Network

Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:40 pm

Best of luck to Olympic  Smile


I only have fond memories of that airline on the family trips to ATH and back  Smile
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RE: Olympic Expands Network

Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:13 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 11):
They really couldn't have waited a touch longer at HKG, say until 23.30, leaving just around the time of all the other overnight European flights and arrive back in ATH at a more civilized 05.30?

I agree.

But could it have been a slot issue our of HKG...

23.00 - 1.00 is an extremely busy period for westbound traffic to UK/Europe.

On the other hand, this is OA we are talking about here.

Actually, even a 16.30 departure ex-HKG with a 22.30 ATH arrival would have been better.
 
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RE: Olympic Expands Network

Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:55 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 11):
They really couldn't have waited a touch longer at HKG, say until 23.30, leaving just around the time of all the other overnight European flights and arrive back in ATH at a more civilized 05.30?

My sentiment exactly!
 
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RE: Olympic Expands Network

Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:21 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 13):
But could it have been a slot issue our of HKG...

There's no problem at all for the slot in HKIA, we still have room for traffic growing.

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RE: Olympic Expands Network

Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:37 pm

Quoting N503JB (Reply 15):
There's no problem at all for the slot in HKIA, we still have room for traffic growing.

Thanks for the info...

Also, I wonder if OA has bothered to look at any onward connections from ATH.

Places like CAI that don't have non-stop services would be good cantidates for services.

EK serves these points, although combo fares for ATH and CAI would certainly appeal to the Chinese/Asian leisure markets.
 
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RE: Olympic Expands Network

Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:10 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 16):
Thanks for the info...

Also, I wonder if OA has bothered to look at any onward connections from ATH.

Places like CAI that don't have non-stop services would be good cantidates for services.

EK serves these points, although combo fares for ATH and CAI would certainly appeal to the Chinese/Asian leisure markets.

I believe OA doesn't have many connection like EK from DXB, TK from IST, QR from DOH (still growing). ** correct me if i am wrong **

The fare would be the main factor to show OA will be sucess or not.

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RE: Olympic Expands Network

Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:46 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 11):
They really couldn't have waited a touch longer at HKG, say until 23.30, leaving just around the time of all the other overnight European flights and arrive back in ATH at a more civilized 05.30?

I couldnt agree more. Most European flights leave ATH around 9am.

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 16):
Places like CAI that don't have non-stop services would be good cantidates for services.

This is a good point. But i dont see much space for OA on the China-M.East traffic. EK,QR,EY reign in the Gulf region while TK and LY offer direct flights to their home markets from China. Apart from CAI and BEY I dont see any other M. Eastern destinations of OA that could get significant connecting traffic through ATH to HKG.
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RE: Olympic Expands Network

Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:22 am

Quoting Olympic707 (Reply 10):
OA is short on aircraft. I don't understand why they sold the 2 A300-600 to Iran Air.

That's what I've been wondering about.

I will really miss the 340s on the LHR run though. In my opinion, 321s would be more suitable for the route to LHR.
As far as HKG is concerned I wish them the best of luck with the route. The departure time from ATH would be a convenient time fro connecting pax from Europe, but on the return leg, the arrival time seems rather inconvenient.
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RE: Olympic Expands Network

Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:54 am

Quoting Kaneporta1 (Reply 19):
I will really miss the 340s on the LHR run though. In my opinion, 321s would be more suitable for the route to LHR.

If I'm not mistaken, the A300 were used on the ATH - LHR route.

Does Airbus still produce the A300 / A310?


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RE: Olympic Expands Network

Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:33 am

The A300s were likely sold to keep the OA operation going. Remember if not for national pride, OA should have been liquidated a long time ago as it has no financial basis for still being around.

As far as OA looking East, the carrier has sadly missed the boat along time ago with many transit options available these days in connecting the Far East with Europe and Middle East. Remember at one time OA served Tokyo, Bangkok and Singapore, all at reportedly significant losses.

At the end of the day, OA should look to clean up its house and instead concentrate on providing a reliable and quality product linking Greece with Europe and the Eastern Mediterranean region instead of far flung global ambitions.
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RE: Olympic Expands Network

Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:09 am

OK peeps, I am resorting to quoting myself to re-introduce my question that hasnt been answered!

Quoting DILF (Reply 7):
some months back, OA was on the verge of being shut down and "replaced" with some new national carrier called Parthenon Airlines or something like that - - - wa-happened ?!?
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RE: Olympic Expands Network

Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:47 am

Quoting DILF (Reply 22):
OK peeps, I am resorting to quoting myself to re-introduce my question that hasnt been answered!

Quoting DILF (Reply 7):
some months back, OA was on the verge of being shut down and "replaced" with some new national carrier called Parthenon Airlines or something like that - - - wa-happened ?!?

I guess that while the Greek Government continues to prop up OA and Aegean is around, the plans will remain on the back burner..

The fact that OA is opening up a new route, particularly long haul, really surprises me.

Has OA ever served HKG before??

I know they had SIN in the 80's enroute to Australia, which later switched to BKK, but I can't recall HKG.
 
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RE: Olympic Expands Network

Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:18 pm

Quoting Anax (Thread starter):
To cover the gap on the ATH-LHR and ATH-CDG flights where OA is using the A340 , they are looking to lease five B737 or A320 (with Airbus leading the race rumors say)

And some folks wonder why OA was in the trouble they were in......using an aircraft like the A340 to London, when if the capacity was what they need, the A330 would have done just as nice, and more economically.
Well good to see the aircraft flying in the environment it was intended.

Quoting DILF (Reply 22):
OK peeps, I am resorting to quoting myself to re-introduce my question that hasnt been answered!

Last thing I read is that it is still on the agenda, but it might be another 2 years before anything happens. They are also trying to unload OTE the former telecommunications monoply and the state-run Public Power Corp. From what I can tell, Greece has bigger problems right now trying to get their deficit within EU limits, and Karamanlis is more worried about having to call early elections before the planned March08 date.
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RE: Olympic Expands Network

Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:17 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 23):
Has OA ever served HKG before??

Never on schedule flight.....

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RE: Olympic Expands Network

Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:10 pm

Quoting Olympic707 (Reply 20):
If I'm not mistaken, the A300 were used on the ATH - LHR route.

Does Airbus still produce the A300 / A310?

LHR ATH 1220 1755 OA 260 C4 H4 Y7 M7 L7 N7 K7 XC Q7 T3#340
LHR ATH 1635 2210 OA 270 C4 H4 Y7 M7 L7 N7 K7 XC Q7 T7#340
LHR ATH 2205#0340 OA 266 C4 H4 Y7 M7 L7 N7 K7 XC Q7 T7#734

As you can see.. the 1st 2 flts of the day are operated by the 340..
Last flight operated by a 737-400..(thats straight from Galileo)

They used to use the A300 into LHR I believe.

Airbus never closed the production line for the A300/310, as far as im aware, so ''technically'' you could say the 300/310 isnt 'out' of production. I think its just that there are no buyers... theres more to it than that im sure but thats my sketchy outline haha..  Smile

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RE: Olympic Expands Network

Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:27 am

Rather than concentrate on coonections from ATH to Mid East, believe that they may go more the balkans / s.e. european region.

Connections to places such as BUH, SOF, BEG, TIA, LCA, MLA would have some viability. All woudl be low traffic, however in total could add up to quite a few transit passengers ??
 
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RE: Olympic Expands Network

Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:54 pm

Quoting Kesflyer (Reply 27):
Connections to places such as BUH, SOF, BEG, TIA, LCA, MLA would have some viability. All woudl be low traffic, however in total could add up to quite a few transit passengers ??

Olympic serves those cities except MLA (they codeshare with Air Malta).
4 x daily to LCA , 2 X daily to SOF , TIA and once daily to BEG and OTP.

IMO they should build a stronger European and regional network , however , new destinations in booming China are somehow essential. Besides OA is not taking any major risk on the HKG flight , since for the first year , the flight is literaly sponsored by HDF shops and a faux bijoux magnate called folli follie , hwo does most his business with China. They charter OA 's 340 to HKG , leaving the airline only 50 seats on each flight to sell. So , on limited risk , why shouldn't OA do it?
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RE: Olympic Expands Network

Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:40 pm

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 26):
Airbus never closed the production line for the A300/310, as far as im aware, so ''technically'' you could say the 300/310 isnt 'out' of production. I think its just that there are no buyers...

There won't be another A310 off the line but the A300 is still in production til July 2007, mostly for UPS and Air Hong Kong.
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