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James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:39 pm

Aerospace Notebook: Latest 'ugly' Boeing jet debuts

By JAMES WALLACE
P-I REPORTER

The "ugly" tag has landed on another Boeing airplane...

...After watching the plane take off last week at the Wings Club luncheon, [Joe] Sutter said he wanted to send his pilot friend a message:

"Joe, you are flying the biggest ugly thing in the world."


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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:58 pm

Hands down, he's got it right.

God forbid that thing ever tries to breed with an A-380, the outcome would be dubbed "the Medusa". A creature so fearsome and ugly, a single glance would turn men into stone.
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:06 pm

While the current "paint job" is bad enough there should be a Photoshop contest to come up with the ugliest version. Maybe a bad plaid.
 
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:07 pm

Sometimes functionality overrides looks. The airplane was designed and built to do a particular job and if it does that job well, then its unusual looks will suddenly become attractive.
The Guppies and the A-10 are examples of airplanes that people are fond of, that wouldn't ever be thought of as attractive.
So who really cares if it isn't pretty and what does that have to do with its ability to be a practical airplane?
 
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:08 pm

It is hideous. I guess if Boeing wanted to make a superjumbo to compete with the A-380 they could put this thing out there after a few modifications inside... not sure what its range is.
 
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:12 pm

Quoting Broke (Reply 3):
Sometimes functionality overrides looks. The airplane was designed and built to do a particular job and if it does that job well, then its unusual looks will suddenly become attractive.
The Guppies and the A-10 are examples of airplanes that people are fond of, that wouldn't ever be thought of as attractive.
So who really cares if it isn't pretty and what does that have to do with its ability to be a practical airplane?

Thanks Broke, no one said that being attractive had anything to do with the functionality of the aircraft. The thread was created to discuss the ugliness of the plane, that's all. All in good fun  Smile
 
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:34 pm

What do you expect? It's from the same people who did the X-32  Smile

Aesthetics takes a backseat to functionality. I guess that's why the 787 lost the shark tail too.

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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:43 pm

Eh, just needs some paint  Wink
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:03 pm

While it definitely is not the best looking a/c to take to the skies it is not the worst either. Ugliest cargo version a/c distinction has to go to the Airbus Belugas.

Both are ugly ducklings but form follow function in this case. Just remember that.

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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:11 pm

I don't think it's too bad actually. It's like a 747 with a puffer jacket on.
 
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:51 pm

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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:09 am

Yes, it is truly ugly.

But it's bigger than the A380, and isn't marred by management manufacturing snafus...

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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 1:18 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 4):
It is hideous. I guess if Boeing wanted to make a superjumbo to compete with the A-380 they could put this thing out there after a few modifications inside... not sure what its range is.

It obviously would not work - it does not have the weight carrying capacity to carry a second deck and all its passengers. Fit this thing out like an A380 and it would be too heavy to fly, maybe even too heavy to support its own weight. The "Guppy", "Beluga" and this plane are made to carry relatively light but high volume cargo.
 
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:30 am

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 1):
Hands down, he's got it right.

Agreed, but still very impressive to see sitting in front of the hanger at BFI. God I love living in Seattle!
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:34 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 13):
Agreed, but still very impressive to see sitting in front of the hanger at BFI.


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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:36 am

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 1):
God forbid that thing ever tries to breed with an A-380, the outcome would be dubbed "the Medusa". A creature so fearsome and ugly, a single glance would turn men into stone.

Hey hey hey! No need to make fun of my sister! Big grin

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 2):
While the current "paint job" is bad enough there should be a Photoshop contest to come up with the ugliest version.

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All sarcasm aside, I think once this bird gets painted, she won't look so bad. Much like the A380 when she first rolled out unpainted, then became pretty with a tad of paint.
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Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:40 am


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I think we have a tie...

The Airbus "Super Transporter" always reminded me of Star Trek aliens with the freakishly large heads...I expected the fuselage to pulse and twist as the planes communicated telepathically.

Both, however, will serve their purposes quite well.
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:42 am

Well, she may be a tad masculine in appearance, but as all Modern Area Boeing's, she is ON SCHEDULE.  checkeredflag 
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:00 am

It looks like a hot-dog drowned in mustard!

Have to say though the Beluga does beat it.

Both planes have a big problem. How does the pilot see out of the rear-view mirror?  Smile
 
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:12 am

if a 747 was allergic to bee stings and then got stung..

that is the result.
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:33 am

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 1):
God forbid that thing ever tries to breed with an A-380, the outcome would be dubbed "the Medusa".

either that or "Jabba the Hut"
 
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:36 am

I still can't wait to see what livery they put on that beast. I would LOVE to see it in dreamliner colors.
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:49 am

Quoting Glideslope (Reply 17):
Well, she may be a tad masculine in appearance, but as all Modern Area Boeing's, she is ON SCHEDULE.

Ummm, how about the Wedgetail 737?  Wink
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:58 am

Wedgetail is delayed due to problems with the radar, made by Northrop Grumman.
 
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:25 am

I'm going to withhold comment on the looks of this thing until I see one emerge from the paint shop. The current primer coat is certainly not attractive, but I think that if it's properly painted it should look alright....although it's a fact that the thing was not designed with aesthetics at the forefront of anyone's mind.

Quoting Broke (Reply 3):
The Guppies and the A-10 are examples of airplanes that people are fond of, that wouldn't ever be thought of as attractive.

The Guppies had/have an odd grace to them, and they presented an awesome sight to anyone seeing one take off or land.

The A-10 is not pretty, but it is definitely mean as hell looking and it's looks accurately represent it's purpose and the intent of its flyer.....all business with a giant stick that can come at you from any direction and faster than you can react at treetop level.......it's a badass airplane and it looks like what one would imagine such a thing should.
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:51 am

Find it rather adorable....
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:00 am

Actually it did look quite nice in te Oscar Myer paint scheme!
 
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:18 am

Damn straight that bastard plane is damn ugly.....

But to Boeing and their shareholders it's as good as gold and smells of money - a very pretty thing!  Smile
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:20 am

At least it is interesting and not another boring twin with no class at all, a la 777!
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 7:55 am

why dont they just add two passaenger decks to it and have it be a passanger aircraft?
 
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:04 am

Quoting Noah008 (Reply 29):
why dont they just add two passaenger decks to it and have it be a passanger aircraft?

certification nightmare......
 
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:11 am

The Airbus super transporter looks a lot better I think, but hey it's not like we're going to see this thing in airline service or anything.

However, Airbus' "newest" normal aircraft are kinda ugly, such as the A319, A346.. and some look weird from certain angles.. A332.. A320.

I have to thank Airbus for the A300, A343, A333, some good looking planes right there.
 
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:24 am

Quoting Ph-tvh (Reply 30):
Quoting Noah008 (Reply 29):why dont they just add two passaenger decks to it and have it be a passanger aircraft?


certification nightmare......

And the cargo hold isn't pressurized. There's a pressure bulkhead behind the crew area.

It'd be a different (and presumably harder) design problem to make the thing pressurizable.

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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:29 am

Quoting SpruceMoose (Reply 32):
And the cargo hold isn't pressurized. There's a pressure bulkhead behind the crew area.

It'd be a different (and presumably harder) design problem to make the thing pressurizable.

-SpruceMoose

Bah! Just provide the pax with supplemental Oxygen...  Wink

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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:49 am

No doubt it's a homely & ugly beast, her genes scrambled by an A380 ? But she's Boeing, and American, therefore she's beautiful ! Artfully applied "make-up" does wonders for any female.  cheeky 
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:18 am

ugly, yes, but if the mission, it is made for, is completed, who cares...
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:36 am

looks pretty to me! was driving up the I-5 on monday and saw the pretty bird sitting on the tarmac at boeing field.

some of us like "big boned" girls.
 
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:54 am

Quoting Leelaw (Thread starter):
The "ugly" tag has landed on another Boeing airplane...

...After watching the plane take off last week at the Wings Club luncheon, [Joe] Sutter said he wanted to send his pilot friend a message:

"Joe, you are flying the biggest ugly thing in the world."

I see a beautiful 40 year old design that can do just about anything you ask of it  Smile Carry a shuttle, sure, no problem. Nah we don't need a new plane for that, we'll use the 747 (no custom Antonov for us). What's that, need a huge freighter.. sure we'll use the 747.

They just don't design them like that anymore  Sad

Quoting DL021 (Reply 24):
The A-10 is not pretty, but it is definitely mean as hell looking and it's looks accurately represent it's purpose and the intent of its flyer.....all business with a giant stick that can come at you from any direction and faster than you can react at treetop level.......it's a badass airplane and it looks like what one would imagine such a thing should.

They don't have an enormous checkmark tag, so this will have to do:  checkmark 

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 31):
However, Airbus' "newest" normal aircraft are kinda ugly, such as the A319, A346.. and some look weird from certain angles.. A332.. A320.

Seen a 380 head on??.. eeeshh.. Looks ok from the side, but head on.. ugh... I guess the 380 is the first butterface plane (you know, great body but er face!)
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:58 am

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 8):
Ugliest cargo version a/c distinction has to go to the Airbus Belugas.

Amen!

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 16):
The Airbus "Super Transporter" always reminded me of Star Trek aliens with the freakishly large heads...I expected the fuselage to pulse and twist as the planes communicated telepathically.

Except no Star Trek alien had a cranium that much larger than their face.  Smile
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:32 am

It looks like a nice canvas for a flying billboard.  Smile
 
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:30 pm

Quote:
Except no Star Trek alien had a cranium that much larger than their face.

Maybe not that large, but the first aliens ever conceived - the Talosians in the original pilot with Jeffrey Hunter as Captain Christopher Pike - were played by small women with "interesting faces", according to Gene Roddenberry. Massive craniums were put on, and when they communicated telepathically, the veins would throb. Men's voices were also dubbed to complete the alien effect.

I remember them as being that big...  eyepopping 
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:49 pm

Quoting Glideslope (Reply 17):
Well, she may be a tad masculine in appearance, but as all Modern Area Boeing's, she is ON SCHEDULE.

So ther5e was a schedule for this beast?

Quoting BAtriple7 (Reply 18):
It looks like a hot-dog drowned in mustard!

 checkmark  Below is the first design model Big grin



Quoting Antoniemey (Reply 38):
Except no Star Trek alien had a cranium that much larger than their face

Correct, that would have been the Mars Attacks aliens.
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:54 pm

An old pilot maxim.....

If it looks ugly, it'll fly ugly.

But it'll do the job its supposed to do, transport 787 components to Seattle.
 
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:35 pm

seems like an A380 is swallowing the 747 alive...
 
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RE: James Wallace: Latest 'Ugly' Boeing Jet Debuts

Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:56 pm

Quoting Grantcv (Reply 10):
The B747 is getting on in years. She's developed a hunched back and quite a midriff.

Atleast she aint sagging  Wink
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