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keego
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Is This 320 Real?

Sun Oct 15, 2006 11:53 pm

Is this pic real or not. I cant see anything that would show its beed altered or changed but I dont think an A320 would be left in tis condition considering the demand for them.

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I got this in an e-mail from a friend, I dont think its real but I cant see anything to show its been touched!
 
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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Sun Oct 15, 2006 11:58 pm

maybe its a police/special forces 'trainer' - a guess.
 
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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:03 am

It looks like the Iberia A320 that had an accident in Bilbao a few years ago. It was written off whilst landing during bad weather. If it is in fact the IB one from Bilbao it is 100% real,

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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:04 am

It could be for pressurization cycle tests in the tank ....
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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:05 am

It was EC-HKJ


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Parted out after a hard landing.


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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:06 am

I would say that the picture is real, Their have being several A320 scrapped / parted out.

oops too late replying.

[Edited 2006-10-15 17:07:45]
 
EI787
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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:06 am

It's real:


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EDIT: Spacepope beat me to it!!

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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:07 am

It is the IB Bilbao aircraft. As I recall it was not very old at the time of the incident - an extremely heavy landing - which made it uneconomical to repair.
 
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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:08 am

This plane was stored inside a large tent for a long time since the incident. I visited BIO many times, but had never seen the actual aircraft. But yes, to answer your question, it is a real A320.
 
keego
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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:09 am

Cheers guys, I had a feeling it was real but couldnt think of why it would be in that condition. Good to hear no-one was hurt during the crash landing.

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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:14 am

Just as real as all these:
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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:56 am

Quoting CFM-56 (Reply 7):
It is the IB Bilbao aircraft. As I recall it was not very old at the time of the incident - an extremely heavy landing - which made it uneconomical to repair.

Has anyone further information regarding that landing incident? I mean it must have been a really hard landing to cause damage that makes it uneconomical to repair the aircraft. Was there an investigation or something?
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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:03 am

Quoting DTManiac (Reply 11):
Has anyone further information regarding that landing incident?



Quote:
During a nighttime flight from Barcelona to Bilbao, the pilots of Iberia (Iberia Lineas Aereas de Espana) Flight 1456 were planning to land their A320 with 136 passengers and seven crew on Runway 30 at Bilbao's Sondica Airport. As it was a training flight, there were three pilots in the cockpit.

During their final ILS approach, the aircraft encountered heavy turbulence at about 200 feet above the ground (AGL). With gusts up to 65 mph., the winds were much more severe than the 9-10 mph winds at 240? with light turbulence initially reported to the crew. The aircraft encountered a 1.25G updraft, then below 150 ft. the airplane encountered a potent downdraft. The first officer as the pilot flying (PF) pulled back his sidestick to arrest the rate of descent. The downdraft was followed by a tailwind gust as the aircraft was just 70 feet AGL.

The dramatic and sudden shifts in wind direction and intensity are the classic symptoms of windshear. The airport is not equipped with windshear detection technology, although Spanish pilots reportedly have been calling for its installation. The Iberia crew had not been advised previously by local control that three aircraft had tried unsuccessfully to land at Bilbao and had diverted to their planned alternates. Sources advise that the airport's conditions contributed to two other weather-related accidents during the preceding 15 days and to three other accidents in the previous five months.

When the Ground Proximity Warning System (GPWS) alerted the crew with a "Sink rate" warning, the captain called for a go-around while pulling on the sidestick - reportedly without pressing his priority control button.

After landing the nose gear collapsed and the aircraft skidded about 1000m down the runway before coming to a stop.
 
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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:11 am

Thanks EI787. That must have been a really hard landing.
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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:37 am

I don't like to see plane like this. Its very sad. But its the life.
 
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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:45 am

That is what happens when you park and A320 in a bad neighborhood. Big grin
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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:48 am

I looks like it was left on the street in down town Detroit!!!!
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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:25 am

Quoting AIRCANL1011 (Reply 16):
I looks like it was left on the street in down town Detroit!!!!

I was just about to post the exact same thing!
 
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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:41 am

EI787,

don't know where you've got that info from but it is heavily incomplete about what happened.

The side stick priority button is not relevant in this case. If the captain pulls back the stick without pressing that button, and the first officer does the same, the plane would pitch up like hell because the two inputs get added, so why didn't it?
The envelope protection software was unable to cope with that situation. It sensed a g-load which would have gone above the limit of the normal law as the plane in that very moment was in the downdraft. So the software blocked any further stick input so to not go over its desinged g-load limit. So what happened when the pilots pulled aft? Nothing... and the plane slammed onto the runway.
This is a perfect example for a situation where Airbus' FBW envlope protection is not quite suitable for the real world. They say that Airbus modified the software after that accident so it would be more tolerant in such a situation. But I've never read any confirmed info about that...

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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:43 am

Quoting AIRCANL1011 (Reply 16):
I looks like it was left on the street in down town Detroit!!!!

Yeah, that's what they get for parking the plane at Ghetto International (DET)  duck 
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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:14 am

it reminds me back in college when i left my car in the school's parking and next morning found my car there standing on four boxes with no wheels! Good old days  Smile
 
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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:45 am

Talking about scrapped A320 frames, does anyone knows what ever happened to Mexicana's F-OHMD "Morelia" airframe after its accident in Minatitlan?

I've seen pictures of the airframe being loaded in parts over some truck platforms but I don't know where did they send it.

Cheers,

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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:27 am

They stole the 47's off of that lol!
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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:48 am

Quoting MarkusBurkhard (Reply 18):
The side stick priority button

with this whole priority stick thing what exactly does it mean? is it just for emergency use? my second guesss is that it only exists in fly by wire aircraft as others are hydrolic. whatever movement you make on a yoke, for example on a 747, the other yoke does the same thing because they are connected. in an A320 for example, does the other stick just stay standing up even if the other is moving?

am i making any sense?

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keego
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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:19 pm

Quoting HighFlyer9790 (Reply 23):
in an A320 for example, does the other stick just stay standing up even if the other is moving?

Your exactly right there is no movement on the right stick if the left stick is moved whatever direction and vice versa. The priorty control is a button on the flight deck that if pressed the captins stick will the the one in use even if the co-pilot is moving his also, if ya get me!
I might not be 100% accurate so feel free ot correct me on this. Smile
 
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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:23 pm

Quoting MarkusBurkhard (Reply 18):
EI787,

don't know where you've got that info from but it is heavily incomplete about what happened.

I got it from here:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0UBT/is_25_15/ai_75641543

Sorry if it isn't accurate.
 
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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:49 pm

Quoting MarkusBurkhard (Reply 18):
They say that Airbus modified the software after that accident so it would be more tolerant in such a situation. But I've never read any confirmed info about that...

Follow-up / safety actions:
This incident prompted Airbus to develop a modification to its flight control software. It will prevent the airplane's built-in protection against stall from being activated by a high rate of change in angle of attack. As an interim action, an AD was issued requiring A.320/A.319
operators to fly at least 10 knots faster and to use only a setting of "CONFIG 3" during approach with gusts higher than 10 knots or when moderate to severe turbulence is expected on short final.

from http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20010207-0
 
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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:30 pm

Quoting Keego (Reply 24):
I might not be 100% accurate so feel free ot correct me on this.

The first office has the very same priority button to push. Whoever pushes the button last has control over the aircraft. There is also the possibility of permanently disable the other's side stick by pushing the button a certain amount of seconds, I don't remember it exactly, I'd have to look that up in the manuals.
Also if both pilots give steering inputs there's a voice alert saying "Dual input", and a light on the glareshield in front of each pilot.

All this technical dual input stuff is as unnecessary as it gets when you think that Airbus could just have done a standard flight controls setup like Boeing did with their B777. But oh well, this sidestick thing was a great marketing hype at the time the A320 was developed but it proved to be less than optimal on so many occasions. Of course pilots will always come and say how great that table is!  Wink

Quoting EI787 (Reply 25):
Sorry if it isn't accurate.

No problem, it was not your fault, just wanted to mention that...

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 26):
Follow-up / safety actions:

Thanks a lot for that link!

Markus
 
keego
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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:48 pm

Quoting MarkusBurkhard (Reply 27):

Thanks Markus. I didnt kow about the dual input alarm either. thumbsup 
 
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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:51 pm

Quoting AIRCANL1011 (Reply 16):
I looks like it was left on the street in down town Detroit!!!!



Quoting Redngold (Reply 19):
Yeah, that's what they get for parking the plane at Ghetto International (DET)

Looks like what would happen to your car in any major city with ghettos and most cities have them, not just Detroit.
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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:06 pm

Demand is always relative, there are actually quite a few 320 out there left unused, and the airlines take of course the ones in best condition. And I too think that this 320 has some structural damage or anything else not so obvious.
 
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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:13 pm

Quoting Keego (Thread starter):
Is this pic real or not. I cant see anything that would show its beed altered or changed but I dont think an A320 would be left in tis condition considering the demand for them

Northwest is getting rid of a few of their A320's and scrapping them.
 
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RE: Is This 320 Real?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:10 pm

Dont forget the new generation A320's and 737s are not designed for a tough 1 flight a day 40 year life...


more like a 3 a day 15 year life.

if like Ryanair there running a 6 flight a day schedule.. that will come down to 10 years or less !!

I read somewhere that even know some of Ryanairs new generation 737s are coming due for replacement in the next 2 years...

And you tell me what Airline would buy a used 737 from Ryanair ?
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