The simple fact is CX747, in your posts, anything that Boeing does is absolutely AOK, nothing to challenge, nothing to dispute. It's as pure as the wind driven snow. You dont challenge them, they are your hero.
Politics indeed has a major part to play in this as it is a trade issue, and one of the major things I hav emade a mission of is to DEBUNK the myth that somehow everything on one side is "virginal" and expose the truth for what it is.
The fact that there was some sort of a coverup involved with the Habsheim accident does NOT deflect that another *string* of incidents and accidents occurred with the most popular airplane Boeing ever produced, and it proves to me that you DONT want to talk about the 737's flaws but rather deflect it and change subject to the A320.
It happens -EVERY- time!
It's without a doubt the A320 investigation was flawed and something sinister happened. I feel it was disgusting what happened in that. I fully acknowledge and deplore what happened there. Do you want to discuss it? If you do, let's discuss it.
That said, if you want to discuss that, then can we FINALLY open up discussing something your side -DOESNT- want to discuss? I sincerely feel that.
I'm trying to discuss several things, one of which is the complete lack of will on your part or other people to discuss that issue, to the corporate mentality Boeing has shown, its hubris and arrogance and indeed, exposing them for some of the points -they- generated and deflate this mystical myth that people like to associate with them, while easily castigating and casually deriding Europe, the French, Airbus, Socialists, Vegetarians, People who walk their dog or who like cats or whatever else.
People mock the French for their attitude, yet they have no idea that Critical Thinking is tought as a High School level course in France and one of the very reasons why French people critique things is due to the very nature of their upbringing, education and culture. But to us (in the commoner vernacular) We just call them arrogant, socialist, expensive food, and other stupid remarks. It goes both ways also. They mock us and we mock them. I truly believe this is a big part of the constant friction that erupts in Airbus v Boeing debates.
Arriving at a political perspective also entails -experience-, from living and working in this world and knowing how things -really happen-, not the young, idealistic way people -wish- them to be.
We dont live in Utopia, some people think the US is and everything it does is just fine. Some people in other countries claim the same way of thinking, from fundamentalist religious clerics in Iran to a Communist Regieme in Beijing. This exists almost everywhere.
I have lived in Western, Islamic and Confucian societies. Can you make that same claim? I lived amongst them. As they say "When in Rome...do as the Romans Do". To think that my posts are somehow an Anti-American epithet is astonishingly absurd and it shows how you dont truly understand the perspective in which they are written. It also tells me that you want this polarized way of debate so it props up one side vexed against another to get the semblance of a "Great Crusade" going, a frequent failing of some I might add.
My views are -independent- views based upon experience and after years of life, work, thought and challenging of the way people accept things. It's very clear.
But the fact that I have to sit here and explain myself just goes to show the level of resentment that builds in people who are not exposed to all sides of a story. It's a classic problem I have seen here and elsewhere. To take apart my views as if I should be ashamed of them is another astonishing and arrogant way to say "See that guy...let's burn him..he dont think like us"
When you have committed several years of your life to YOUR country, and then went out and lived outside of it while in that service, then did same as civilian afterwards and learned -different ways- of culture, life, thinking, etc, the way graduate students in varying fields of study do, cultural anthropologists on a mission to learn one culture or another, etc.
My life has been a mixture of all sorts of exposure to things away from the vast bosom of creature comforts and common ways of thinking and doing things many get used to back home. have you ever travelled and -lived- overseas? If you have then you'll understand where I'm coming from. And to begin to think independently does not make you an Anti-American or whatever other ridiculous epithet that frequently gets tossed around. That's the stuff for reactionaries to get whipped up, not educated people.
I sincerely suggest you atch the movie "Born on the Fourth of July" a few times. You see a firebrand young man whose committed to everything "God and Country" and then gets maimed in Vietnam, watch the metamorphosis of thinking he goes through. It's a story about reality, life, courage, believing in something that turns around and almost kills you and above all: -growing up- with a mature mind.
You'll completely appreciate the perspective -where- I am coming from, but you seek to torch me as some sort of Anti-American-American who has a hammer and sickle at the end of his name or in his signature block. Rather than an educated, independent minded individual who has a perspective steeped in many years of overseas life experiences in peacetime and war, with a healthy respect and sensitivity for people of all stripes and beliefs, combined with a massive exposure to the way things are done here and abroad.
It takes courage challenging the status quo and it takes GUTS to speak your mind where you strongly believe in your heart that you are right and have the -facts- to back them up.
This is a frequent derision most reactionary thinking types associate with free thinking, traveled, learned people who dont know what to make of this perspective. I used to to a party-line thinker, Thank God I'm not one anymore.
And by the way, I'm voting for Ralph Nader this fall.