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10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:29 pm

Yesterday I had a friend on this flight. On his arrival he mentions that, during the flight the FA made an announcement telling pax that " There is no water on board, there will be no coffee" and she said also there is more bad news, which got him worried:" No water to wash hands in the bathrooms either". And she asks the pax to share disinfectants if they have any on board.

I think this is ridiculous on a transcontinental flight. What could be the reason?
 
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:34 pm

1 The water system pressurization failed so no supply...doubtful
2 The ramp forgot to fill it prior to departure...more likely.

FYI I have heard that carriers are carrying less potable water than before for weight purposes...easier to fill a little at each station than lug extra water around for 5 legs...especially when pax use so much bottled water.
 
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:55 pm

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
And she asks the pax to share disinfectants if they have any on board.

Uhh...wouldnt' the TSA have something to say about this?

"Could you please share your disinfectants, and if you have them...we'll be questioning you about how you came through security with an illegal substance. Thank you and enjoy the rest of the flight  wave "
 
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:57 pm

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 1):
especially when pax use so much bottled water.

In the good old days you mean...
 
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:46 pm

I was on a BA flight out of LHR when the same thing happened.

We dumped fuel and returned to LHR (which I think was the right thing to do!)

The cause...the ramp workers failed to pressurize the system.

A very expensive mistake...

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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:29 pm

I think different airlines would deal with this situation different. At one airline they just put sanitary towels -- ya know the packaged ones in the lav sink. And made an announcements that potable water had not been filled up down station.

Hmm so what would the TSA say about this?
 
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:49 pm

In a segment on A Week in the Life of AA that aired this week on CNBC, a big wig with AA was explaining how they save money by NOT filling the water tanks to capacity (all that extra water-weight to haul). Maybe they cut it a little too fine? Did the crew realize the problem somewhat into the flight? If so, that may have been what happened.
 
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:50 pm

It's allowed, as long as it was 3 oz. or less and in a clear plastic bag. A lot of passengers carry those personal sized Purel bottles.
 
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:53 pm

Airplane potable water tanks are some of the nastiest places you'll see............getting filled up in many different locales, having hoses not properly capped, and having disinfectants put into the tanks makes them a breeding ground for yucky things..........as they say "don't drink the water"!!! Consider your friend lucky!!!!!!(unless he had to wash his hands!).
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:01 am

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 1):
The ramp forgot to fill it prior to departure...more likely

If so, the crew would know this prior to push back.

...and all passengers check in on time with no extra bags, that are not oversize or overweight!  Yeah sure
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:15 am

Quoting Tu154m (Reply 8):
Airplane potable water tanks are some of the nastiest places you'll see............getting filled up in many different locales, having hoses not properly capped, and having disinfectants put into the tanks makes them a breeding ground for yucky things..........as they say "don't drink the water"!!! Consider your friend lucky!!!!!!(unless he had to wash his hands!).

When I worked at BWI I spotted a lav truck belonging to an effective airline which the operator apparently wanted to flush out. He was filling it with the hose from a potable water truck filling station, the one by E4. He actually had the end of the potable water hose in the tank of the lav truck. Nice. A quick call to airport operations saw that filling station closed down for several days.
It's a shame some of these people don't think about what they do.
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:05 am

Likely the ramp forgot to service the potable water. If that is the case, the flight attendants are somewhat at fault for not checking the system before departure (I know I might get flamed by some FA's for this, but it is something that most airlines have the flight attendants check). In the defense of the flight attendants, the gauge could have been broken (which I have found on a few aircraft in my days.)

I have forgotten to add potable water on a few flights. Luckily the flight crew advised me, as that usually happens as the jetbridge is pulling back. So of course, I would take the delay. I forgot to add potable water on a RON flight once. We had a common practice of draining the water in the winter. We would add the water in the mornings, but I forgot on one occasion. The plane took off, and flew the whole way without water. I got a nice message later on during the day. It happens, and is a pain when it does.
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:36 am

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 11):
the flight attendants are somewhat at fault for not checking the system before departure (I know I might get flamed by some FA's for this, but it is something that most airlines have the flight attendants check). In the defense of the flight attendants, the gauge could have been broken (which I have found on a few aircraft in my days.)

I am one that won't be flaming you in the least. It is, on some airlines (CO) for example, for the flight attendants to check the water. Even if it wasn't the flight attendants responsibility, they should at least check with the cockpit to see if the tank is full or least a quantity good for the flight.

As ISM (lead, purser, etc.), I am always well aware of the water level before departure.

If any flight attendants flame you, redirect them the second sentence of my first paragraph. It boils down to common sense. Simple as that.
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:52 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 12):
Even if it wasn't the flight attendants responsibility, they should at least check with the cockpit to see if the tank is full or least a quantity good for the flight.

Yes but the qty indicator is always in the cabin.
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But this is not uncommon. The indicators are not that reliable and often show full when they are not. The only reliable way is to fill it to overflow. Then the overfill valve, which is open for filling, must be closed to let the air pressure push the water up into the cabin. On some aircraft this is electrically operated and prone to stick. The A320 (not A319) is the worst I know.
Then in the winter the lines to and from the tank get frozen. Even if you drain all the water at night, a few drops get left behind and they freeze = no water in the morning.
I seem to spend a lot of time on water supply problems.
 
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:03 am

At Hawaiian is part of the preflight checks for F/As to check to water level (over half full is OK) and the waste tanks (less than 1/4 full is ok).

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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:05 am

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
I think this is ridiculous on a transcontinental flight. What could be the reason?



Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 1):
1 The water system pressurization failed so no supply...doubtful
2 The ramp forgot to fill it prior to departure...more likely.

I was on a DL flight last year from CVG - PHX. Shortly after reaching cruise the pilot made an announcement that the ground crew had forgotten to "turn a switch" (his words) after servicing the water tank and that the switch can only be accessed from the outside. Although there was no coffee or tea offered, I suspect they knew about it before we took off because there seemed to be plenty of water bottles on board. The F/A in business class even served up the usual wet towels after having used water from a bottle to make them wet (but for some reason, they did not heat them). Anyway, it was an uneventful, if somewhat uncomfortable, flight.
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:17 am

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 13):
Yes but the qty indicator is always in the cabin.

Exactly, but you'd be surprised how many flight attendants don't check it. It's why if they can't get themselves to the guage, ask the cockpit.

Again...boils down to common sense.
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:17 am

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 15):
Although there was no coffee or tea offered, I suspect they knew about it before we took off because there seemed to be plenty of water bottles on board. The F/A in business class even served up the usual wet towels after having used water from a bottle to make them wet (but for some reason, they did not heat them). Anyway, it was an uneventful, if somewhat uncomfortable, flight.

Very few airlines serve water from the potable water supply to passengers in anything but tea or coffee. Bottled water is almost always used for drinking when it is passed out, and tea and coffee have the water hot enough so that it should be sterile.
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:38 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 17):
Very few airlines serve water from the potable water supply to passengers in anything but tea or coffee. Bottled water is almost always used for drinking when it is passed out, and tea and coffee have the water hot enough so that it should be sterile.

That's a good point that I didn't think about, but I have seen water served from the spigot (the same one used to fill the coffee pots) plenty of times. In fact, I will not drink water on an airplane unless I see them actually pour it from a bottle because I don't want to risk drinking the tank water.
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:47 am

Airlines are trying to save weight (i.e. fuel) by filling tanks up 75% on domestic flights. International flight go out with 100%. This mean an aircraft flying several segments is filled once a day at 75% capacity and does not get topped off again until it runs dry. Personally, I feel that having soap and water available is not a luxury, but a necessity. Hey, I just work here.
 
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:13 am

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 15):
The F/A in business class even served up the usual wet towels after having used water from a bottle to make them wet (but for some reason, they did not heat them)

They don't heat the towels up, but rather make them warm by using warm water. No warm water, no warm towels.

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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:18 am

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 15):
I suspect they knew about it before we took off because there seemed to be plenty of water bottles on board.

Not necessarily. You get to cruise, the flight attendents go to make coffee and no water. The indicator shows full so it's assumed the valve is open from the outside. If they would have known about before t/o they could have taxied back onto the ramp and a tug could have drove out so someone could flip the switch.

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 1):
The water system pressurization failed so no supply...doubtful

Happens much more often than you'd think.....
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:27 am

Quoting Joemac547 (Reply 6):
In a segment on A Week in the Life of AA that aired this week on CNBC, a big wig with AA was explaining how they save money by NOT filling the water tanks to capacity (all that extra water-weight to haul). Maybe they cut it a little too fine? Did the crew realize the problem somewhat into the flight? If so, that may have been what happened.

You beat me to it, my thoughts exactly. Friggin AA.

[Edited 2006-10-23 22:42:35]
 
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:33 am

Quoting ShowerOfSparks (Reply 10):
It's a shame some of these people don't think about what they do.
How often do you see ramp workers put on protective gloves while they dump a shitter only to get back in the truck and drive it still wearing the protective gloves. Pity the next person who touches that steering wheel.

 rotfl  So true.

Yes sometimes it's the ramp's fault, but sometimes it isn't. On a quick turn (MD-80's) we would check the external water gauge to see if it needs filling up. Most of the time, we'd just fill it up anyway. Sometimes the whole system was inop so the F/A's would ask us for sanitary wipes. Which of course, we didn't have most of the time.

Lot's of people (myself included) drank the potable water. It was okay as long as you didn't put your mouth on the hose. You really don't have much choice if you're thirsty on the ramp. It's pretty hard to carry water with you out on the ramp (FOD, security reasons). What saved us was when the caterers threw us some bottled water.

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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:33 am

Quoting Tu154m (Reply 8):
having disinfectants put into the tanks makes them a breeding ground for yucky things

How does that work? I have never heard of disinfectants causing microbial growth. Seems kinda counterintuitive to me.
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:37 am

Quoting ShowerOfSparks (Reply 10):
How often do you see ramp workers put on protective gloves while they dump a shitter only to get back in the truck and drive it still wearing the protective gloves. Pity the next person who touches that steering wheel.

I see idiots at fast food joints go from making your sandwich to handling the money to taking out the trash in the same gloves, people un-clear on the concept, just because you have gloves on, doesn't make it OK to touch everything!
 
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:47 am

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 24):
How does that work? I have never heard of disinfectants causing microbial growth. Seems kinda counterintuitive to me.

After a period of time, the bacteria and virii become resistant to mild disinfectants. They become more robust and, in many cases, more pathogenic. In other words, they not only make you sick more easily, but a lot sicker.

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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:55 am

Quoting Jayhup (Reply 4):
...the ramp workers failed to pressurize the system.

On any of the commercial aircraft I have worked on, the potable water system is pressurized by the engine bleed air and an electric compressor, neither of which can be accomplished by a ramp worker.

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 13):
Yes but the qty indicator is always in the cabin.
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:11 am

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
I think this is ridiculous on a transcontinental flight.

IMO, this is ridiculous on ANY flight. It's a serious health issue. My cousin was on a DL flight with no water once and all he got was a $50 voucher when complaining to customer service. Getting a disease could be A LOT worse.
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:11 am

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 13):
On some aircraft this is electrically operated and prone to stick. The A320 (not A319) is the worst I know.

Amen.

Fed up with the amount of times that I am servicing the potable water system on an A320 and have to manually open the drain valve because it is stuck.
 
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:04 am

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 24):
Quoting Tu154m (Reply 8):
having disinfectants put into the tanks makes them a breeding ground for yucky things

How does that work? I have never heard of disinfectants causing microbial growth. Seems kinda counterintuitive to me.

AA - I agree, this would fall in the realm of Fuzzy Logic. I would counter with a lighthearted discussion about antiobiotic resistant microbes, but somehow I think that was not was Tu154 was getting at...
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:24 am

Quoting Thegooddoctor (Reply 30):

Thanks doc! I figured that resistance was the problem, but it just sounded a little too funny, not to be called out. Thanks for the backing.
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:26 am

This same thing happened to me on AA but back in June. It was an MD-80 from DFW-SDF and there was no coffee or tea but there were moist towlettes in the Rest room for us to use.
 
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:59 am

Quoting Gregarious119 (Reply 2):
Uhh...wouldnt' the TSA have something to say about this?

exactly what i was thinking
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:17 am

It's unfortunate that they ran out on a long flight; however, these systems frequently are placed out of service. How many commercial flights daily go out with a Potable Water System on MEL? In these cases additional bottled water and moist towelettes are placed in the cabin. Circumstance I know, but...

It does seem a little ironic to hear about this after seeing AA explain their weight-saving measures last week on CNBC.

While this is an inconvenience, it is hardly the end of the world.

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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:32 am

I was on a flight with Martinair. It was from MCO-AMS. About 3 hours into the flight they F/A told us that there was no more water on board and the toilets could not flush and if you wanted to to flush the toilet ask the closest F/A for apple juice. If you wanted to wash your hands you had to use San Palegrino fizzed water. It was a very unpleasent flight. In addition, it was a FULL flight.
 
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:38 am

Gosh...this reminds me of when I worked at BWI and an inbound flight diverted to YHZ because the toilets were full and, well...when ya gotta go, you gotta go! The aircraft was on the ground for about an hour while the passengers relieved themselves and the toilets were serviced.

It turned out they hadn't been serviced after the previous leg, which was also a long haul sector.

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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:40 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 12):
I am one that won't be flaming you in the least. It is, on some airlines (CO) for example, for the flight attendants to check the water. Even if it wasn't the flight attendants responsibility, they should at least check with the cockpit to see if the tank is full or least a quantity good for the flight.

As ISM (lead, purser, etc.), I am always well aware of the water level before departure.

If any flight attendants flame you, redirect them the second sentence of my first paragraph. It boils down to common sense. Simple as that.

Thanks for not flaming! LOL!

I actually recall a flight that once that had no potable water, as I also have been on a flight with no blue juice. They gave bottled water to bathroom users to wash hands with on the flight. It was a short haul from SEA to DEN, so it was not a big deal. Long haul can pose an interesting one though.
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:42 am

Quoting Joemac547 (Reply 6):
In a segment on A Week in the Life of AA that aired this week on CNBC, a big wig with AA was explaining how they save money by NOT filling the water tanks to capacity (all that extra water-weight to haul). Maybe they cut it a little too fine? Did the crew realize the problem somewhat into the flight?

I saw that show too and thought it was fantastic. Didn't know that Arpey started his airline career with DL. Too bad we let him get away. As far as the water goes, they could have run out of water considering they're now putting on only what they need for any given flight or there could have been a mechanical problem. Either one of those scenarios can and does happen from time to time to all airlines. That's the nature of this immensely complex airline business we're in.
 
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:29 pm

I had this problem one time on the EWR > SIN Singapore Airlines flight SQ21 in June of 2005. Given the flight is an 18 hour long haul on relatively large plane this made for some interesting scenarios...

Somewhere over Denmark we lost water and did not have any in the tanks, due to a mechanical issue. For most of the flight over the Atlantic we were ok.

If any of you are familiar with SQ's service on the A340-500, they do not use bottled water for drinking water in economy class, they use a state of the art filtration system pulling water from the tanks. Couple that with the same distribution system is used for the water in the lavatories (the clean water that is), so we had no water for that either!!! with roughly 10 hours left to fly!

The flight attendants told me that either 1 of 3 things would happen: 1) we continue to Singapore if the pilots feel that it would not jeopardize the flight or 2) divert to an airport nearby that is familiar with the A340-500 and service us or 3) return to Newark.

Luckily the first option is what played out. There was enough of a supply of bottled water in Raffles Class to take care of economy passengers (due to only a small passenger load on the A340-500), but water was more or less rationed out when it got critical. Given the extremely south routing of the flight with winds that day, at one point I thought we were diverting to Dubai to fix the problem.

Leave it to SQ to take care of passengers in situations like this. Upon arrival in Singapore, we all received bottles of Evian, and an SQ leather wallet  thumbsup  (which i later lost!).
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:35 pm

Quoting ShowerOfSparks (Reply 10):
How often do you see ramp workers put on protective gloves while they dump a shitter only to get back in the truck and drive it still wearing the protective gloves. Pity the next person who touches that steering wheel.

I'll admit, I used to do the same thing- only because I knew everyone else did it, so there really wasn't a choice to it- that steering wheel was a permanant 'gloves zone'. Boy did I hate lav duty.

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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:47 pm

How much water is carried on an aircraft. Say a 747.
 
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:43 pm

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 15):
I suspect they knew about it before we took off because there seemed to be plenty of water bottles on board.

Not necessarily. You get to cruise, the flight attendents go to make coffee and no water. The indicator shows full so it's assumed the valve is open from the outside. If they would have known about before t/o they could have taxied back onto the ramp and a tug could have drove out so someone could flip the switch.

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 1):
The water system pressurization failed so no supply...doubtful

Happens much more often than you'd think.....

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It's been a while since I have done it, but on most aircraft, the potable water system door won't close unless the valve is shut. Then pressure builds off pneumatic air... I have worked a lot of A-Checks where they Potable Water system faild the checks (micro) and had to be deferred.
 
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:58 pm

Quoting CoolGuy (Reply 41):
How much water is carried on an aircraft. Say a 747.

Our B777 have 1240litres. We have two tanks, some domestic aircraft only have one tank.

Quoting Panman (Reply 29):
Fed up with the amount of times that I am servicing the potable water system on an A320 and have to manually open the drain valve because it is stuck.

Can you tell the engineering supervisor. I am trying to get BA to change the overflow valves on the A320 because they all stick, but engineering say there is no problem. The reason they say that is that it is never written up in the log because everyone operates them manually. But we had two flights this week where there was no water due to overflow valve sticking so maybe it will sink in.
 
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:28 pm

Quoting SQ452 (Reply 39):
Given the extremely south routing of the flight with winds that day, at one point I thought we were diverting to Dubai to fix the problem.

Although I can imagine this flights goes a little more south than usual, DXB is a huge diversion. This is normally a polar flight and passes the pole a few hundred miles to the east/south. In CPH they would have been familiar with the 340 series. However that water would be more expensive than the finest champagne; dumping fuel, diverting to an airport where you have no services, filling up with water, re-fuelling and then continuing to SIN with the risk of the crew running over their maximum block times; it's all not worth it, at least incredibly expensive.
 
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:44 pm

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 1):
2 The ramp forgot to fill it prior to departure...more likely.

shouldn't the F/A 's check this during pre flight check list?
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Tod
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:51 pm

Quoting CoolGuy (Reply 41):
How much water is carried on an aircraft. Say a 747.

741 and 742, mostly 220 gallons, some with 330.
743 mostly 330, some with 440.
744 most were delivered with 440, some with 330, but some airlines are taking one tank out and reducing capacity to 330.

It is all about weight, one full 110 gallon tank and it's mounting hardware weighs nearly 1000 lbs.

Some 744 and 777 operators have purchased the "pre-select" option that allows them to choice how full to fill the tanks, otherwise they just get filled until full.

762 and 763 can be configured with either two tanks (149 gallons) or three tanks (258 gallons).

Tod

[Edited 2006-10-24 16:59:35]
 
crogalski
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RE: 10.22.06 AA 268 SEA-JFK Runs Out Of Water

Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:00 am

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 13):
The A320 (not A319) is the worst I know.

We have to fill our A320's and E190's if they're less than 3/4's.. I haven't had a "false reading" from one of them for the past year and a half..
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