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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:49 am

How does the potential A330F fit alongside the 777F? Are they close enough to be considered redundant for the same carrier?
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:50 am

Quoting Aither (Reply 96):
Slots are not a big issue as airports invest in infrastructure.

Tell that to the management of FRA or LHR...


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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:50 am

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 93):
Although possible advantages for doing so at this time are:-

It releases slots for the PAX version, which at least seems to have better traction amongst its customer base than the -F
The possible reduction in pax version penalties may offset some of the revenue/profit that may have been generated by the -F

It reduces the development expenditure on the A380 at this time

It releases resources that will be desperately needed by the A350XWB.

Great analysis Astuteman.. checkmark ..I was thinking along the same lines (hence my comment as to why I think the A350 will be a very good plane)...
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:51 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 88):
If you are a profit-seeking business, and have built a piece of equipment into all of your business planning, and then are told -- on multiple occasions -- that this equipment won't be coming on time, how is it "draconian" to throw up your hands and say, essentially, "screw it?"

Completely agree. They have to fix a design/production problem and better manage related client communication it seems. Now we witness the impact of those failures.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 83):
I have no empathy for Airbus at this point in time, this is the result of years of hubris and the various govts. trying to run a corporation.....now they are learning a valuable lesson.

I agree as well. Let Airbus be a Company. Hopefully they'll bounce.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:51 am

Quoting Candid76 (Reply 3):
What betting that in the future all those early pax 777As that nobody wants will be purple package freighters? The MD10/11s days are numbered.

Maybe with companies like Fed Ex. However not all cargo haulers can afford brand new 777F's. Those MD-11's will be picked up if Fed Ex decideds to retire them.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:52 am

Amazing, nothing more to say. This is a horrrible omen for the A380.

New freighters are given punishing 15 hrs/day schedules. Not like 5 hrs/day ancient 727Fs. Apparently FedEx did not like the fuel burn of the A380 given the 15hrs/day type operations.

The notion this is because of the A380 delay is ridiculous. FedEx simply didn't want the A380. Too many questions with it, and too big of a fuel commitment.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:53 am

Quoting Brendows (Reply 86):
The 777F can take a maximum payload of 103.9 metric tons, and will fly about 4900nm with that payload. FedEx has obviously taken the lower weight per volume of their freight into consideration, and it turns out that the 777F can fly almost as long, if not just as long, as the A388F with the same payload density.

 checkmark  This is the most insightful comment in this whole thread. While availability was likely the primary issue, you have just illustrated how the 777 Freighter can work for FedEx almost as well as the A380F is icing on the cake. I bet one could further buttress the 777F's case by looking at the fuel efficiency benefits of a twin.

I'm sure FedEx also did this with an eye on 777-200A conversions in the future.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:53 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 83):
I have no empathy for Airbus at this point in time, this is the result of years of hubris and the various govts. trying to run a corporation.....now they are learning a valuable lesson.

I hope they are learning, but the evidence so far is mixed.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:56 am

Well, there's only one thing to say about an announcement like this: "Let the games begin!" This could be the start of an even more bitter rivalry between the two manufacturers.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:02 am

Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 12):
how they will buy all the old pax versions and convert them to Freighters come 2020

Well, they still might do it in 2020 as they may be a glut of A380s in Majave!!
Also, this may be another advantage, in a much smaller degree, to Airbus where it will free up some Pax slots and save on compensation. But I do relaize it is a very small consolation.

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 43):
I thought EK had some A380F on order...

They nixed that when they heard the delay #1, and converted to Pax version.
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:02 am

As I said before in an earlier post way back when, I do not care about airline x/aircraft x/manufacture x/etc as I love the industry too damned much. I love everything about the industry, and yes, I do have some favoritism towards some aircraft (i.e. 777) but I do not ill-favor any aircraft/manufacture/etc.

With that out of the way, I have my doubts about FEDEX canceling their orders due to delays alone. No, something else with the A380 has to be going on that nobody (publicly) knows about. Maybe additional weight issues, poor fuel consumption, or some other reason caused FEDEX to examine the aircraft and determine it was going to cost too much money to operate. Or maybe FEDEX didn't get any discounts or compensation due to the delay.

I'm sorry, but something just doesn't add up, and thats my  twocents .

Here's hoping for, as I would love to see the A380 in FEDEX colors, and I can't wait to see the 777F in said colors.  Smile
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:04 am

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 110):
Apparently FedEx did not like the fuel burn of the A380 given the 15hrs/day type operations.

 Yeah sure

It's very unlikely they haven't thought about the plane's mission when they placed the order - and it's very unlikely Airbus just told them the fuel consumption would be much higher than originally promised...


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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:13 am

Holy Moly, this is excellent new for the B777F. Surprised they didnt go for the B748F thou. Not good news for Airbus since one of their biggest customers has cancelled the whalejet orders
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:15 am

Did Fed-X have inspectors at the various sites of the A380 program?
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:17 am

Quoting Columba (Reply 24):
Fedex was the least customer I expected to cancel the A380.



Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 34):
I am actually pretty shocked that this order went 77F rather then 748. So much for the frequent line from the A380 apologists that volume, not weight would sell the A380.

It's shocking news because, as any WhaleJet "apologist" will tell you, FedEx's CEO had said recently how he thought there'd be a few hundred F's flying in the fleet.

Quoting B2707SST (Reply 89):
Agree that UPS' decision will determine whether the A380F lives or dies.

I respectfully disagree. Airbus went ahead and developed the WhaleJet even when the market indicated the need for a VLA was perhaps not as big as they claimed. So what is to keep them from continuing to develop the F version in light of little or no orders? Besides, as others pointed out in another thread, apparently most of the development costs for the F version have already been spent. Might as well continue on in the hopes that someone down the road will eventually order one (new).

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 90):
Since they were not in the first round of launch customers, perhaps they didn't get as good a deal.

But they were a launch customer, weren't they? They "launched" the F version. I would assume they got good pricing for doing so.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:22 am

Quoting DIA (Reply 4):
This is a blow to the A380F. too bad.

I was expecting the order to be reversed, in that I expected that FX would not cancel until UPS did, and the UPS order was on the rocks already.

Now with FX officially out, UPS will also bow out, and the A380F will be officially canceled.

Nobody with any objectivity could have thought that the A380F had a bright future after failing to pick up orders recently, with carriers from around the globe turning to the 748F and 777F, including now 2 of the 3 A380F customers.

Expect KE to now order 748F or 777Fs rather than A380Fs, which could lead to the cancelation of their small A380pax order as well.

It would be very strange if after all is said and done, the 748 becomes an exclusive freighter model, and the A380 ends up the only VLA pax plane, but that is becoming more and more possible...
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:23 am

wow 117 posts already..

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 17):
haha, i wonder how airbus feels. Maybe they realize now they need to hurry the A380 up.

Well from an enthusiast's perspective I don't feel "ha ha".. the 777 is already too common, many airlines already have it. To be honest I would've preferred to see Fedex flying the A380.

It's too bad we're going to see very few airlines with A380s here in this side of the pond, I would've really liked to see Fedex's whalejets flying around :/
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:25 am

Ok one question. Is the FedEx order for the 777F a firm one or did they only sign an LoI?
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:26 am

I heard Fed Ex is also looking at 747's. UPS is seriously considering the same thing but waiting to see now if Airbus moves up the delivery slots for UPS since the Fed Ex cancelation. UPS' slots were a year behind Fed Ex so this might just put UPS back on schedule again. I really think the A380 is going to miss performance goals. Smart move to Fed Ex.
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:26 am

Wow, totally blindsided!!! The triple 7's stock continues to rise. If Boeing can translate the 787 with the same synergy, what a one - two punch. Can't wait till all the news outlets drop "the worlds second largest aircraft maker" and use "the largest aircraft manufacturer"  Smile
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:27 am

Quoting Mptpa (Reply 115):
how they will buy all the old pax versions and convert them to Freighters come 2020

Well, they still might do it in 2020 as they may be a glut of A380s in Majave!!
Also, this may be another advantage, in a much smaller degree, to Airbus where it will free up some Pax slots and save on compensation. But I do relaize it is a very small consolation.

The death of the A380F, if that is what is happening, will also be the death of the conversion of A380 pax to freight. It issue is infrastructure. It takes special double-height loading gear for the A380F which would have to be put into place for the converted aircraft. That would drive the costs up to the point it would be more cost-effective to convert ex-pax 777s because they will already have the equipment in place. And except for Fed Ex and some South American flower growers, I don't see anyone who would be interested in the converted A380.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:31 am

I'm sad to hear of this terrible news. I wonder how many A380Fs will have to be sold in order to break even?

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 54):
I see... Wonder what they will do next now?

IMHO, Airbus may have to re-analyze whether they'll want to continue on with the freighter version if it looks like a money loser.

Quoting Katekebo (Reply 56):
But I wouldn't be surprized to see a follow-up order for B748F later (in a year or two).

Is the B747 in FedEx's fleet? If not, maybe they don't want to add this type.

Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 116):
Or maybe FEDEX didn't get any discounts or compensation due to the delay.

 checkmark 

That's what I was thinking too. Maybe Airbus didn't offer them enough compensation, FedEx gave them an ultimatum, and their bluff was called?

Anyway, a bad day for Airbus  Sad

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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:32 am




Quoting UPS Pilot (Reply 124):
I really think the A380 is going to miss performance goals.

Interesting....could you elaborate?



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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:33 am

So lets address this from another point of view. FedEx needs additional capacity, they chose the A380F because of all avalaible options, it was their best choice.

Airbus has delays, what is FedEx supposed to do? Unlike the pax airlines who have modified their business plans to cater for their delays, FedEx seems to want to preserve the integrity of their plan.

FedEx has a hugh financial burden, their business plans has been hit with a severe blow, could we also look at this situation from the customers point of view and not just the vendor's?
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:33 am

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 93):
Although possible advantages for doing so at this time are...

All valid points. And if the A388F program is still mostly in the "CATIA stage", then a formal postponement of the program might be in order provided 5X and ILFC either agree to further delays or decide to cancel, themselves.

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 104):
How does the potential A330F fit alongside the 777F? Are they close enough to be considered redundant for the same carrier?

The 777F has significantly more lift capability in both weight and volume then the A330F. FX has some 50 A306Fs in their fleet, and the A330F would be an excellent option to replace them.
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:34 am

Well, we finally have an answer to this question: Who Will Be The First to Cancel An A380 Order? (by Dhefty May 2 2005 in Civil Aviation)?searchid=2086740&s=Who+will+be+the+first+to+cancel#ID2086740
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:36 am

Quoting UPS Pilot (Reply 124):
I really think the A380 is going to miss performance goals. Smart move to Fed Ex.

Why would UPS continue the order if it missed performance goals?
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:36 am

Quoting Eatmybologna (Reply 127):
m sad to hear of this terrible news. I wonder how many A380Fs will have to be sold in order to break even?

In theory, the same number. However, keep in mind that FedEx got a launch discount; going forward, any customer would pay something closer to list (though obviously not list itself.) That might actually make things easier. The problem is, who's left in the package freighter industry that hasn't already ordered or cancelled the A380? DHL is the third big player.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:37 am

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 120):
So what is to keep them from continuing to develop the F version in light of little or no orders?

They can use the scarce resources elsewhere where is it needed, such as A380 pax, A350XWB v.X etc. This really is the blessing in disguise for Airbus.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 121):
Now with FX officially out, UPS will also bow out, and the A380F will be officially canceled.

We really will not know for sure. We have heard UPS stating they are evaluating options, but that could be to ring up more compensation. However, they have ordered B74F and are a good Boeing customer, so they may go for B748F, B777F package in lieu of A380Fs!. If that happens, Airbus is left with 5 38F orders from ILFC which might say saiyonara to it too, giving a temporary shutdown to the 38F line!!

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 121):
Expect KE to now order 748F or 777Fs

I believe KE WILL order a package of widebodies for KE and KE cargo encompassing B748i, B748F, B777F and B773ERs as well as exercising some B787 options. This will happen by December. On the otherhand, will they cancel A380 order? I doubt they will cancel A380pax order, however, I am not sure which routes really demands such a capacity? Seems to me like they ordered for "prestige" factor. Anybody knows the answer to this?????
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:39 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 111):
 checkmark  This is the most insightful comment in this whole thread.

Thanks for the kind words N328KF wave 

Here's Boeing press article on the 777F order:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/news/2006/q4/061107a_nr.html
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:43 am

This is the biggest news since the Wright Brothers' first flight  Smile
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:43 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 122):
wow 117 posts already..

Well, if the whole A380 programm is canceled, then A.net will go out of business a little while after Big grin
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:43 am

Wow!. Just heard about it.
Till now Airbus was playing bend but don't break version of defense.
But this is a major blow. And of all the clients for the A380, this was the one I would have least expected.
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:46 am

Going off tangent just slightly.

Do you folks see this tilting the USAF tanker project towards the B777 versus the B767/A330? I would think with FX placing an order for 15+15, that would reduce some of the costs for more frames sold and allow Boeing to further recoup the development money.
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:48 am

Shocking to say the least, but not surprising. The delays in the A380 program in general and with the F version is probably the major issue as it screwed up FX's planning and expected load demands on key routes. I would suggest that some of their older DC-10/MD-11's probably getting closer to expensive major mx checks in a few years added to this decision. Add to that the greater fuel efficiency and more efficient mx from a 2 engine vs. a 3 engined large a/c will probably prove FedEx probably made a good decision. About the only place they couldn't use the 777F would be some non-stop North American/Asia and Australisia routes. They will still need the 747-iF or the A380F for some of the NA-Asia routes, especially for small package freight, as suggested in other posts.
I wonder if Boeing made a 'trade in' deal as to the old DC-10/MD-11's with this 777F purchase?
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:52 am

...Lane said the Boeing Co. 777s will carry slightly smaller payloads that Airbus 380s.

"There are different capacities, but we believe that we have created advantages in more nonstop, point-to-point transoceanic routes that have shorter flight times but improved service offerings to FedEx customers," said spokesman Maury Lane at the company's headquarters in Memphis, Tenn.

FedEx expects to get four of the 777s in 2009, eight in 2010 and the rest the following year...


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...e/2003360029_webfedexboeing07.html



[Edited 2006-11-07 19:55:07]

[Edited 2006-11-07 20:00:29]
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:54 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 43):
I thought EK had some A380F on order... yes or no on that?

These were swapped out for A380-800 slots.
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:57 am

Quoting Mptpa (Reply 135):
giving a temporary shutdown to the 38F line!

Just a thought.

Perhaps this is what Airbus wants as they are no longer interested in sinking more of their money into a product they believe won't return profits? By playing hardball with FedEx and UPS and not offering compensation for delays, for example, maybe they can influence this to come about and use their capital on the A350XWB development instead.

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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:57 am

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 104):
How does the potential A330F fit alongside the 777F? Are they close enough to be considered redundant for the same carrier?

The 777F carries about 50% more payload than the A330F.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:57 am

Hardly shocking news IMO. But I was looking forward to seeing it in Fedex colors. Maybe later at some point it will still happen.
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:57 am

I don't think that anyone has mentioned that the FedEx order for the 15 new B777-200F aircraft plus 15 options is the first new order for Boeing (designed) aircraft from FedEx since the order for the fifteen B727-2S2F freighters ordered in the late 1970's.
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:59 am

Wow!!!! Certainly didn't see this coming!
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:00 am

Seems like FedEx lives by its own slogan:

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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:00 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 128):
Interesting....could you elaborate?

When Airbus announced the go ahead with the A380, they were also going from the consortium to an tightly run integrated company. They did that on paper and in managment but failed with unifying the consortium with software, methods and procedures. Every manufacturing location was using a different software version wich has led to incompatabilities. Then Airbus did not do a 3 d digital mock up of the A380. If they did the wiring harness issue would have never happened. Airbus put unrealistic goals on vendors, design and manufacturing upon announcing the A380. There have been overweight issues they have dealt with, manufacturing issues, design issues, vendor issues, upper management issues, and delays. Airbus' different plants are not on the same page and it will not be pretty in coming months.

To sum it up 2h4 the internal problems at Airbus with the plants not being on the same page will probably lead to design issues causing perfomance issues. Cancellations that have started due to delays will force Airbus to work harder to fix delays that will reduce the amount of time needed to meet performance goals. I could go on but I really need to run.
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:01 am

Quoting Echster (Reply 140):
Do you folks see this tilting the USAF tanker project towards the B777 versus the B767/A330?

I don't see any connection between the USAF tanker competition and today's decision by FEDEX.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:06 am

i think it's like this...IMHO...what a waste of time and money this forum has become
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:08 am

Quoting NYC777 (Thread starter):
FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Great News!!!  Smile

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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:10 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 141):
About the only place they couldn't use the 777F would be some non-stop North American/Asia and Australisia routes.

But could they use the A380F on those routes? From what I am reading above, since the 777F is not going to be at max payload, fuel volume will probably be the limiting factor in how far she can fly. Does anyone know if the same would have been true with the A380F?

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They will still need the 747-iF or the A380F for some of the NA-Asia routes, especially for small package freight, as suggested in other posts.

Or they can continue to stop-over in ANC as they do now.

I admit I have never understood why FX flies packages from PVG to ANC and then on to MEM and then back to the West Coast (in my case, SEA). Why not fly it to ANC and then break it up? Send stuff west of the Rockies to a west coast hub and the rest to IND or MEM for distribution? Why back-track?
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:11 am

Quoting UPS Pilot (Reply 151):
When Airbus announced the go ahead with the A380, they were also going from the consortium to an tightly run integrated company. They did that on paper and in managment but failed with unifying the consortium with software, methods and procedures. Every manufacturing location was using a different software version wich has led to incompatabilities. Then Airbus did not do a 3 d digital mock up of the A380. If they did the wiring harness issue would have never happened. Airbus put unrealistic goals on vendors, design and manufacturing upon announcing the A380. There have been overweight issues they have dealt with, manufacturing issues, design issues, vendor issues, upper management issues, and delays. Airbus' different plants are not on the same page and it will not be pretty in coming months.

To sum it up 2h4 the internal problems at Airbus with the plants not being on the same page will probably lead to design issues causing perfomance issues. Cancellations that have started due to delays will force Airbus to work harder to fix delays that will reduce the amount of time needed to meet performance goals. I could go on but I really need to run.

Interesting you bought that up. Boeing, for the 787 will be doiing a virtual roll out of the 787. Since the entire aircrafdt is on CATIA, they will assemble it in real time on the computer bolt by bolt including wiring and even looking at issues of whether a man hand can fit into a certain space to install parts. This virtual manufacturing will go far to ensure that the 787 is put together on time and that there are no production issues. Very smart!!!
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:13 am

Timing has to be a big part of FedEx's thinking. They originally expected 3 A380s to be delivered between August and September 2008, according to the FI article from April 05. They were looking at a minimum of a 2-year delay, knowing that the F version wouldn't be addressed until after the pax version was fixed. UPS had recently expressed dissatisfaction with Airbus's ability to give them answers about the F version; presumably Airbus didn't have any better answers for FedEx, who were looking to get their planes a year earlier than UPS. So they were facing uncertaintly and a 2-year delay in plans.

While the 748 was certainly an option, it doesn't presently offer an advantage in terms of delivery date. While it most likely does not face the uncertainties that the A380 does, it is still a revised model and its schedule could conceivably slip as well. The 777 offers the advantage of being a twin, being based on a proven airframe, being almost certain to be delivered on-time, being available in quantity, and having a range and efficiency advantage and a size and payload similarity to the MD11, which is an aircraft that FedEx is quite happy with. Its dispatch reliability can be presumed to be excellent in high-utilization service, and it doesn't require the infastructure investment and significant alterations in ground ops that the A380 would have, nor does it require alterations at receiving airports, meaning that it can fly tomorrow to pretty much anywhere FedEx wants to use it. Having more, smaller aircraft also provides flexibility in an economic downturn, and the increasing openness of international air routes may reduce the need to get the very most out of a single airport "slot" in the Far East.

It's not as if the preponderance of these factors weren't known before, but running the clock forward a couple of years has provided additional certainty as to some aspects of the situation and additional uncertainty to others, making this a fair choice in light of the alternatives.

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