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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:18 am

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 157):

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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:19 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 133):
Why would UPS continue the order if it missed performance goals?

We don't know for sure if it will or will not meet performance goals. Airbus told us we would have them by a particular time. They also said the A380 would have specific performance goals. Three CEO's later the track record isn't looking too good. Why did passenger carriers continue MD-11 orders when the aircraft failed to meet performance goals?
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:20 am

Maybe this is thinking way far ahead, but I could also see this as a significant blow to the potential A350XWBV6.0 Freighter program, at least in it's launch phases. This order pretty much solidifies FedEx's longterm plans with the 777F, which is roughly the same size aircraft. Had FX stuck with the A380F, there is a strong likelihood that they would have been a potential launch customer for the A350F, but it looks like FX is betting the farm on the 777F for what seems to be the next 20 years or so...
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:22 am

WHOs next to cancel?

Any guesses.

UPS, Malaysian, EK????

I am not on the bandwagon that UPS might cancel - I think they have gained leverage from the Fedex cancellation. IE earlier delivery slot, much more attention and possible kickbacks from Airbus now that they are the lone US airline, etc

My guess would be Emirates doing a partial cancellation in favor of the 748
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:23 am

Quoting NYC777 (Thread starter):
Just out on Bloomberg
FED EX cancels 10 x A380F order!!!!
Fed Ex buys 15 x 777F plus options for 15 more 777.

Why did you say they canceled A380F before announcing the 777 order?

Admit or not, the A380 is a better and newer plane de facto
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:25 am

I think UPS will certainly go down that road and on the passenger side it will be MAS and Thai. That's a total of 22 order right there.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:25 am

Like others, I too am surprised by this. The 380 did seem to be a good fit for both UPS and FEDEX. Perhaps DHL or another operator will take the slots.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:27 am

Greetings from MEM.  bouncy 

All I can say is this was coming from months ago with the last major delay for the A380 launch.

This initial order is fantastic news for FX!

Officially I can direct you only here.  Sad

Official FedEx Press

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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:27 am

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 159):
Why did you say they canceled A380F before announcing the 777 order?

Admit or not, the A380 is a better and newer plane de facto

What difference does that make? It's still news. If you want to be picky the title has the 777 order first and the A380 cancellation second.  Yeah sure
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:28 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 161):
Like others, I too am surprised by this. The 380 did seem to be a good fit for both UPS and FEDEX. Perhaps DHL or another operator will take the slots.

Actually it was the best fit for Fexed out of UPS, and Fedex. UPS was always a questionable fit IMHO as they handle more 'traditional' and less of the office box style than Fedex. If they don't work for Fedex I really doubt they work for UPS or DHL.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:29 am

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 159):
Admit or not, the A380 is a better and newer plane de facto

People maybe don't realize that the 777F is incorporating a lot of the lessons learned and systems improvements from the 787 program. It is by no means comparable to the A-market model released 12 years ago.
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:29 am

While I'm up I'd thought I'd chime in...

Quoting Stitch (Reply 40):
I am honestly not trying to be sensationalist, but this strikes me as a serious blow to the A380F program. If the package carriers are starting to have second thoughts...

That is the same way I'm thinking...

However, regardless of the volume or weight the 777F has got much lower ton/mile costs than A380F. It's a very logical choice for FX and can be integrated into the fleet without needing new cargo handling infrastructure. If the A380F was ever to be a success it was going to happen with the PF operators and not in the general cargo market. It is looking less likely that that success will be achieved...

It's a stunner but I remember a quote attributed to Fred Smith some years back saying that the next generation of FedEx airplanes will have 100,000lbs of thrust under each wing. I guess that is going to come true after all.



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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:33 am

Wow!
Had it been UPS I would not have been surprised, but FedEx ... WOW!

Good news for Boeing here.




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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:33 am

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 159):

Admit or not, the A380 is a better and newer plane de facto

Right, so that's why FedEx cancelled their order in favour of the worse and older 777?
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:34 am

Quoting PipoA380 (Reply 82):
It makes me sick to see some people here clapping to that decision, we all know Airbus is in bad shape and that's really not the desicion they needed to hear now IMHO

Agree. No need for juvenile cheerleading here.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 121):
Ok one question. Is the FedEx order for the 777F a firm one or did they only sign an LoI?

"SEATTLE, Nov. 07, 2006 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE:BA] announced today that FedEx Express, a unit of FedEx Corp., has ordered 15 Boeing 777 Freighters and that the Memphis, Tenn.-based freight carrier has taken options on an additional 15 of the airplanes. Delivery of the aircraft will begin in 2009."

Sounds like an order, not a LoI.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:34 am

Quoting Eatmybologna (Reply 142):
Perhaps this is what Airbus wants

Maybe you are right. Could FedEx and the A380F be the sacrifical lamb in the program? I would think by allowing FedEx to cancel, they can do some things to appease the other A380 customers so they don't cancel...
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:36 am

Quoting Silver764 (Reply 2):
"Global demand for air cargo and express services continues to grow rapidly and FedEx has made significant investments in our network to meet customers’ needs and fulfill our business objectives. Therefore, it was necessary and prudent for us to acquire the Boeing 777 Freighter." said Frederick W. Smith, chairman, president and chief executive officer, FedEx Corp. “The availability and delivery timing of this aircraft, coupled with its attractive payload range and economics, make this choice the best decision for FedEx, its customers, shareowners and employees.”

(Without reading all 160 posts) I must say this is a real setback for the A380F.

I think Fedex is speaking the truth when they say they really needed the capasity to Asia now & not in 3-4 years. Boeing offered them a solution & they used their contractual rights.

I would not agree with the usual far reaching conclusions above. Fedex could not do without the capasity in the next few years, Boeing grabbed the opportunity.

Quoting Silver764 (Reply 2):
FedEx Express continues to be Airbus' largest wide-body airplane customer and will add additional new and used Airbus wide-body aircraft to its fleet in coming years.

New Airbus wide-body aircraft in the coming years? Not A300´s. Looks like we have not seen the complete picture yet.

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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:37 am

Quoting FXramper (Reply 162):
Official FedEx Press [Release]

"...The Boeing 777F will allow FedEx Express to fly directly between major markets and hubs in Asia, Europe and the U.S. with more freight and in less time than it takes today, improving fuel efficiency and lowering total operating costs,” said David J. Bronczek, president and chief executive officer, FedEx Express...
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:38 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 54):
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 54):
There is only the 10 for UPS and 5 for ILFC. EK had ordered them through ILFC but converted those to the passenger model.

I see... Wonder what they will do next now?

On the other hand, might this mean more opportunity for ILFC to lease... even to FedEx later?!

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 61):
What if UPS were to pick up the 10 delivery slots?

Or ILFC, see above. Cargo seems to thrive on leased platforms anyhow. Both ILFC and UPS may take this up. That would salvage a little good news for Airbus, if it happens.

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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:40 am

Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 12):
The A380F I think is perfectly suited for FX and UPS with 2 floors that provides a lot of space for parcel cargo.

Yes and No, remember FX could use the A380 at very few airports, all it was really going to do is make the two flights say from MEM-NRT into maybe 1.
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:42 am

Quoting Rampart (Reply 174):
On the other hand, might this mean more opportunity for ILFC to lease... even to FedEx later?!

I doubt that they would becasue they would get them even later and still have to pay for infrastructure for 5 planes (assuming they leased all of ILFC's orders).
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:43 am

Quoting Rampart (Reply 174):
On the other hand, might this mean more opportunity for ILFC to lease... even to FedEx later?!

I doubt that they would becasue they would get them even later and still have to pay for infrastructure for 5 planes (assuming they leased all of ILFC's orders).
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:44 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 171):
Fedex could do without the capasity in the next few years, Boeing grabbed the opportunity.

FX spokesmen are talking about point-to-point flying in their comments accompanying today's announcement, no?
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:52 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 178):
FX spokesmen are talking about point-to-point flying in their comments accompanying today's announcement, no?

Yes, but these points are Fedex Hubs  Wink
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:53 am

Quoting United787 (Reply 170):
Maybe you are right. Could FedEx and the A380F be the sacrifical lamb in the program? I would think by allowing FedEx to cancel, they can do some things to appease the other A380 customers so they don't cancel...

Depending on which list you use, either MSN035 or MSN037 were supposed to be the first frames for FX. Since production is essentially halted until MSN001 through MSN015(?) are fixed, I'm not sure what cancellation or even negotiated delivery delay would do for Airbus or their customers waiting for planes. LH has three, AF has two and KE, EK and SQ each have one due between FX's first and second birds.
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:54 am

Shocker!

I never saw that coming.

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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:54 am

With all the problems that the A380 has been having it is no surprise this happened ..... And it will probably won't be the last.  Yeah sure
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:55 am

Quoting NYC777 (Thread starter):

This is good news,i think FEDEX will be better off with ordering the B777Fs then waiting a life time for a crap airbus A380 that is'nt gonna pay off as more and more airlines will canx in due course. It only takes 1 or 2 to canx and the rest will follow.

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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:58 am

There's still a good opportunity for them to pick up A380 conversion freighters in the future as well, of course. That would be another 15-20 years out perhaps, but I wouldn't be remotely surprised to see FX operating at least a few of them when the economics make sense, and when they have more control over their delivery schedule than what Airbus has delivered. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the last time we see any frieght company make orders on a new airframe (as opposed to a new derivative) for a very long time.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:58 am

Which airlines would be the next to cancel?
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:02 am

Quoting A480 (Reply 185):
Which airlines would be the next to cancel?

UPS is my guess... and ILFC will be right behind them... that will kill the -F.

As for pax... probably going to be EK. Not trying to be pessimistic but i think its only a matter of when, not if for all of those carriers. Though i doubt EK would cancel all orders.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:06 am

FedEx ordering 777Fs is a victory for Boeing. The cancellation of the A380F is indeed sad news for Airbus.

But you guys are getting way out of hand here on this thread. No one seems to realize that FedEx could change their mind and order A380s later down the road, after this aircraft establishes itself in the marketplace.

OTOH, I do criticize Airbus severely for fumbling the ball on this one. I had also read that KE had considered ordering the A380F, but shied away after the fiasco with the delays. So that's actually two customers Airbus lost on the A380F.

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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:07 am

Quoting Brendows (Reply 97):
So I'm not to sure that the development expenditures would go down that much

Accepted - there would be a loss to take. But there would be a reduction in the engineering load going forward. also AFAIK, the bulk of the BOM will be interchangeable between A388 and A388F

Quoting Brendows (Reply 97):
they still have A380Fs on order.

My points only make sense if the A380F gets cancelled.

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 130):
Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 29):
As long as the overall A380 program stays alive (and it will, they're far beyond the point of no return), sooner or later, when the startup problems will have been sorted out, it'll be easy to make an F version that airlines will buy.

Why would Airbus, self admitedtly cash strapped, sink money into the F program?

That's one of the advantages that I see of pulling the plug on the 15 -F orders left - much of the WIP can be transferred to the pax programme, and deliveries of these pax birds will benefit. There could well be substantial cashflow advantages (unlike cancelling the whole programme).

I understand BuyantUkhaa to echo my view that the A380F could possibly proceed at a later date, when Airbus are less cash-strapped.

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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:07 am

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 186):
As for pax... probably going to be EK. Not trying to be pessimistic but i think its only a matter of when, not if for all of those carriers. Though i doubt EK would cancel all orders.

Don't think it'll be EK but rather Thai and MAS on the passenger side. Even with UPS, ILFC (F) and the MAS and Thai then you're talking about 27 airframes on top of the 10 already cancelled. That would be 37 cancellations. That a cancels out 23% of the current firm A380 backlog. That's almost equivalent to EK cancelling their entire order.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:09 am

Well, with Alstom having lost a contract for trains for the Paris region to its Canadian competitor Bombardier, and with PSA (Peugeot/Citroen) losing market share to Japanese competitors, the French transport manufacturers are not looking too good at this moment. Very sad... It's time to react and put the house back in order. By the way, Christian Streiff, the short-lived Airbus ex-CEO, will now head PSA starting in early 2007. He seems to be specializing in desperate causes.
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:11 am

Shocking, couldn't they justify maybe 5 or so for hub bustin? I mean didn't they invest a lot in infrastructure already?
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:12 am

Well knock off another $2.8B from the prospective earnings numbers.

EADS needs to get some "cojones" and make the break with Airbus and allow it to go private without govt interference. That is the only way that such a great company will be able to make the necessary decisions/cuts to survive and become the true great company it can become.

As long as the ball-n-chain of the French government is around its neck, Airbus is just going to continue the current decay.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:13 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 179):
Quoting Leelaw (Reply 178):
FX spokesmen are talking about point-to-point flying in their comments accompanying today's announcement, no?

Yes, but these points are Fedex Hubs

Actually, Mr. Bronczek spoke of major markets to FX hubs, ergo point-to-hub, not point-to-point where each point is a FX hub, ergo hub-to-hub.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:13 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 161):
Perhaps DHL or another operator will take the slots.

DHL, at least, is an unlikely candidate for the A380. It handles its lift needs a bit differently than FedEx and UPS. It has interests in or contracts with a variety of carriers (such as ABX Air and AStar Air Cargo in the US) to provide close-to-organic lift, which it then supplements with scheduled charter lift from major carriers on international routes (such as Northwest Airlines Cargo daily on a 747-200 from the Far East, through an Anchorage swap, to ILN; and Lufthansa Cargo on an MD11 from Nottingham to ILN and another MD11 from Brussels to JFK) and with firm and expansion space agreements with other cargo carriers. It just bought a 49% interest (with 25% voting rights) in Polar Air Cargo for $150 million and entered into a firm space committment agreement on certain Polar flights, which it says will guarantee it sufficient present and scalable future lift for Express operations. (Polar was recently authorized to increase its weekly flights to China, for example, from 12 to 16, so the deal provides DHL with instant access to China without having to seek its own frequencies; same thing with securing space on incumbant carriers like Northwest.) It's a very different approach than the UPS and FedEx models, which rely very heavily on organic lift, and it has different costs, benefits, controls and opportunities. But it works exceptionally well for them. Given the recent Polar purchase and the resulting availability of 747 space, as well as AAWW's (Polar's parent's) recent $3.4 Billion in 748 orders, and AAWW long and firm institutional association with the 747-200, 747-400 and now 747-8, I think that we're not likely to see a banana-yellow A380 anytime soon.

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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:16 am

Quoting Silver764 (Reply 2):
FedEx Express continues to be Airbus' largest wide-body airplane customer and will add additional new and used Airbus wide-body aircraft to its fleet in coming years. Six new A300-600 aircraft are scheduled to join the FedEx fleet in 2007.

I did not know that FedEX was the largest Airbus widebody customer. I guess there is some value to the freighter models after all.  yes 

Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 21):
YES!!!! I'm so happy they cancelled the whalejet and went with the 777.

Don't gloat here. This cancellation means cancellation of people's jobs, not only in France but all over the world including the US.

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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:17 am

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 188):
That's one of the advantages that I see of pulling the plug on the 15 -F orders left - much of the WIP can be transferred to the pax programme, and deliveries of these pax birds will benefit. There could well be substantial cashflow advantages (unlike cancelling the whole programme).

I understand BuyantUkhaa to echo my view that the A380F could possibly proceed at a later date, when Airbus are less cash-strapped.

I agree they should shelve it, but I disagree with the how long part. I don't think the 380 ever made a spectacular freighter to begin with. The 748F, 330F, 777F and possible 350F and 787F are all superior I would think for most business.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:19 am

Quoting A480 (Reply 190):
Well, with Alstom having lost a contract for trains for the Paris region to its Canadian competitor Bombardier, and with PSA (Peugeot/Citroen) losing market share to Japanese competitors, the French transport manufacturers are not looking too good at this moment.

This is a common situation for most EU manufacturing industry, and is a consequence of the structural issues of European economy - overvalued currency, low productivity, inflexible labor laws, and - most important than anything else - arrogance and reluctance to accept that change is necessary.
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:21 am

All I can say is Whoa!  bigthumbsup 


As a Boeing stockholder, I must admit this is a shocker, in therms of fortunes. FedEx endorsement of the 777F can not be described in any other way then a rounding one, from a premier global company. cloudnine 

Although as an aviation enthusiast, I must admit I looked forward to the A380 in FedEx livery.  frown   ghost 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:22 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 189):
That a cancels out 23% of the current firm A380 backlog. That's almost equivalent to EK cancelling their entire order.

Good point... i just have this feeling and with all the talk of EK being skeptical ect, they will cancel some orders and pick up even some more 773ER's or maybe, just maybe some 748i's. Just my $.02. We shall all ride this out and see what comes along.

As many have mentioned, i beleive we will see some more cancelations. All it was going to take was one carrier making the first move.

I was surprised to see this headline today, but it makes perfect sense for them actually. Congrats to both Boeing and Fedex. I look forward to spotting Fedex 777's rolling down the line.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:22 am

Quoting Iwok (Reply 195):
Don't gloat here. This cancellation means cancellation of people's jobs, not only in France but all over the world including the US.

No it doesn't. Airbus still has 149 orders on the books for both passenger and freighter models. Doubt people working on those are going anywhere anytime soon.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:28 am

Quoting FXramper (Reply 162):
We are still shopping for 757s!

Good luck. Clearly, that's a program that will not start to kick into high gear until after these 777s come on line. (90 757s is a LOT of airframes.) But I'm sure my friends in the leasing industry are just salivating at what that does to the long-term viability (and price) of this once-moribund and now-highly-desired airframe, which is still one of my favorite rides, particularly when running with low loads on short hops. (The FLL-PBI late-night tag on a DL flight from DFW years ago was a real highlight. The very-few pax and I got a real rocket ride.)
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:29 am

Quoting Iwok (Reply 195):
Don't gloat here. This cancellation means cancellation of people's jobs, not only in France but all over the world including the US.

Well, it remains to be seen how many people get fired as a result of this, particularly if Airbus is able to use the freed slots to their advantage.

Anyhow, not all of the players lose out: GE-Aviation previously had a 50% share on 40+ GP7200s (not counting spares), and now they have a 100% share of 30+ GE90-115Bs.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:29 am

What a blow to Airbus but a big gain to Boeing.

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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:30 am

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 196):
I agree they should shelve it, but I disagree with the how long part.



Quoting Astuteman (Reply 188):
the A380F could possibly proceed at a later date

Note the "possibly".....  Smile

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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:30 am

I was very surprised by the statement from FX that the 777 will have only a "slightly" smaller cargo payload than the A380. If that is true, I cannot imagine why ANY airline would go for the A380F. It would seem having the flexibility to land at almost any airport would trump having a "slightly" larger cargo payload.

My guess is that Airbus will cancel the A380F program before UPS has the chance to cancel their order. This will allow them to save face (somewhat) by not having another carrier actually cancel, and will also allow them to direct much needed resources to the A380 passenger and A350XWB programs.

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