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Singapore Will Keep A380 Order

Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:54 pm

According to report from Bloomberg, Singapore Airlines said it'll keep its A380 order after FedEx cancelled them.

It didn't say whether it'll take extra 9 from the LoI it signed from July 2006.
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RE: Singapore Will Keep A380 Order

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:12 pm

SQ has invested way too much in terms of pride and advertising bucks to drop the A380 now. Though the 9 from the LoI seem doubtful atm, things may change. But airbus better get everything sorted soon, or SQ may well take them to the cleaners in terms of compensation, if they haven't already of course.
 
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RE: Singapore Will Keep A380 Order

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:17 pm

SQ should be happy that FedEx has cancelled, since it may now be able to obtains some of it's planes faster.
 
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RE: Singapore Will Keep A380 Order

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:20 pm

my bets on FED EX returning to A380 in the future. The need the load capacity it offers , no matter how many T7's they buy

as for SQ , correct , they've invested a lot of money , time and pride to give up now.
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RE: Singapore Will Keep A380 Order

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:25 pm

Quoting Anax (Reply 3):
my bets on FED EX returning to A380 in the future

Maybe, but possibly only pax to freight conversions.
 
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RE: Singapore Will Keep A380 Order

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:55 pm

I didn't know whereelse to ask this so will ask here...

Will there ever be a different version of the a380 other than the 800 version. And if so, will it be larger or smaller?

Also, I'm glad SQ are keeping their a380. I'm confident that the a380 will prove itself once given time.
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RE: Singapore Will Keep A380 Order

Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:01 pm

I think there was/is a plan for a -900 version eventually. It will be stretched version, rpoviding that the airlines need it and the economics are right. IIRC, the wing on the A380 is designed to be strong enough to support a stretch. They wouldn't make it any shorter - it looks squashed enough as it is!!
 
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RE: Singapore Will Keep A380 Order

Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:19 pm

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 5):
Will there ever be a different version of the a380 other than the 800 version.

Leahey also talked about a 800R longer range version that would come a couple of years after the normal 800 went into service but we'll have to see about that now.
 
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RE: Singapore Will Keep A380 Order

Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:58 pm

This strory has been updated and adds that Korean Air will retain their order;

Deutsche Lufthansa AG, with 15 planes on order, said it has no plan to change its decision. Korean Air Lines Co., which has ordered five A380s also reiterated it will buy the planes.

Same link, should be updated

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RE: Singapore Will Keep A380 Order

Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:26 pm

Many of the airlines that have ordered the 380 are in no position to cancel. They have planned routes and expansion on larger capacity isssues as well as slot restricted airports.

They have to just deal with delays and try to squeeze A for all they can in terms of compensation or reduced cost for the frames. For many of the airlines the 380 fits a niche route market. The only way some would jump ship is if the 748 could push 400+ passengers and offer increased efficiency but then again it is close to the same timeframe as the 380. Perhaps if B jumped on the issue and offered some good discounts they could convince some to jump ship but I see this as doubtful.

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RE: Singapore Will Keep A380 Order

Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:32 pm

Quoting Anax (Reply 3):
my bets on FED EX returning to A380 in the future. The need the load capacity it offers , no matter how many T7's they buy

You may be right, but then why would they cancel them instead of just delaying them. It is notable that they are staying clear of the 748F however.
 
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RE: Singapore Will Keep A380 Order

Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:34 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 10):
You may be right, but then why would they cancel them instead of just delaying them. It is notable that they are staying clear of the 748F however.

My guess is that they went for the T7F because the 748F delivery timetable would offer them little advantage over waiting for the 380F's that they cancelled.
They will have a good number of T7F's in service before even the most sanguine delivery schedule would get them the other alternatives. I wouldn't rule out the 748F for them altogether, though. UPS is taking new 744F's for a reason. Given the "me-too" nature of these 2 competitors' requirements, the capacity may be required so 748F's cannot be ruled out.

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RE: Singapore Will Keep A380 Order

Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:44 pm

Quoting Anax (Reply 3):
my bets on FED EX returning to A380 in the future.

yes, but they can also buy 748Fs, instead!!!
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RE: Singapore Will Keep A380 Order

Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:46 pm

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
According to report from Bloomberg, Singapore Airlines said it'll keep its A380 order after FedEx cancelled them.

It didn't say whether it'll take extra 9 from the LoI it signed from July 2006.

2 Months ago Fedex said they were keeping their's. I would expand on that point but it speaks for itself. Gumflappin' ain't worth **it.
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RE: Singapore Will Keep A380 Order

Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:54 pm

Are we going to have a thread every time an airline doesn't cancel an order?

This would be news if there had been some actual danger of an SQ cancellation. If MH makes such as statement it will be worthy of discussion.
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RE: Singapore Will Keep A380 Order

Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:59 pm

Quoting Joni (Reply 2):
SQ should be happy that FedEx has cancelled, since it may now be able to obtains some of it's planes faster.

Following this logic to its limit, should SQ be happy if every other order gets cancelled? I think the answer is "non", since spare parts cost would be astronomical and resale value would be next to nil. So, even in the context of a cancellation of a mere 10+10 frames, I do not think there is joy in the hearts of SQ employees over the FX cancellation.
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RE: Singapore Will Keep A380 Order

Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:09 am

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 14):
Are we going to have a thread every time an airline doesn't cancel an order?

No, that wouldn't be a good idea. Where would it stop.

However, SIA made her comments in light of the FX A380 cancellation. More than 280 'insignificant' people (no intention to sound rude, you get my point?) have posted comments on this cancellation, without objection. Why make an exception, an object te comments and a thread regarding these comments, for an airline that sets standards in the industry?
 
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RE: Singapore Will Keep A380 Order

Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:53 am

SQ decided the A380 will work well for them and are keeping their order. FX decided the A380 won't work for them and have decided to cancel.

What's so difficult?
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RE: Singapore Will Keep A380 Order

Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:07 am

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 14):
Are we going to have a thread every time an airline doesn't cancel an order?

TeamAmerica:

I certainly hope not; these "cancel/won't cancel" threads get wearisome after awhile, especially since they fall strictly according to party lines. The same can be said for the "airline X will buy787/A350" threads, where the various factions rush to attack or defend based on the latest snippet from whatever VP, manager or salesman makes a statement. I'm always amazed at what people have to say about a plane that hasn't entered service yet and one that isn't even offered. crazy 

Although I know that the "B" camp would love to see the various "prestige" carriers order the 787(as would I), I suspect that the folks running those carriers are circumspect enough to wait for Airbus' offering while at the same time prodding them not to abandon that troubled program. If Airbus does dump A350(which I believe would be financially sound but strategically suicidal), the folks at Boeing who know full welll what the LH's & EK's are doing will not be generous or kind when those carriers come knocking. As we all know, "you play the hand you're dealt".  wink 

As for A380, the various carriers who are the natural customers for it, have invested alot of money and created plans around it are just not going to cancel. Why would they unless circumstances at Airbus dictate that they do?
The various other carriers whose business case may not be so strong are the ones who might bail on A380 although I have to admit that FedEx surprised me  eyepopping . I thought they were solid, especially given previous FedEx comments about A380F. Sort of makes one wonder about the UPS case as well, especially since there are alternatives here.

Just some random thoughts.

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RE: Singapore Will Keep A380 Order

Thu Nov 09, 2006 6:00 am

Quoting Anax (Reply 3):
my bets on FED EX returning to A380 in the future. The need the load capacity it offers , no matter how many T7's they buy



Quoting Timboflier215 (Reply 4):
Quoting Anax (Reply 3):my bets on FED EX returning to A380 in the future
Maybe, but possibly only pax to freight conversions.

Precisely, as the 380F will never be built. Airbus will need to focus on whatever the 350 Big Body becomes (IMO, I think Airbus will go with Kryptonite.) The 380F program will be the sacrificial Lamb.

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RE: Singapore Will Keep A380 Order

Thu Nov 09, 2006 6:51 am

Certainly every single airline that has order the A380 did it for a combination of prestige and growth plans.

I personally don't think that SIA did it mainly for the pride as some posters above have suggested. The ones who have done so are probably those which have ordered a few.

The Singapore - London route was one of the most pressing reason for the A380. SIA already operates thrice-daily flights using B744s on this route and while it is probably able to obtain a fourth daily frequency, it was not happy with the unattractive (and consequently unpopular) time slot into and out of LHR. The only growth possible was with the introduction of the A380.

Similarly, flights going to and/or through NRT were similarly constrained. No new slots are expected at this airport till sometime after 2009 or 2010 at the earliest.

SIA like other A380 airlines are also very excited about the space that the A380 has in the cabins. While you will not see 800 seats cramped into them, SIA sees this as an opportunity to differentiate its product vis-a-vis other airlines by providing much more personal space in all three classes of travel. And Qantas with a similar low-density configuration will certainly be travelling down the same path (and has even engaged an artist to design its interior from nose to tail).

Prestige and pride . . . certainly. But more importantly, many of the airlines that have ordered the A380s have done their mathematics and found that it adds to the bottomline. It isn't a case of a bunch of rich kids with billions of dollars in thier wallet.

It certainly isn't a repeat of the situation a couple of decades ago when airlines from Africa orders a single B747-200 to add to their fleet of clunky old narrow-bodied jets and props.

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RE: Singapore Will Keep A380 Order

Thu Nov 09, 2006 6:52 am

Certainly every single airline that has order the A380 did it for a combination of prestige and growth plans.

I personally don't think that SIA did it mainly for the pride as some posters above have suggested. The ones who have done so are probably those which have ordered a few.

The Singapore - London route was one of the most pressing reason for the A380. SIA already operates thrice-daily flights using B744s on this route and while it is probably able to obtain a fourth daily frequency, it was not happy with the unattractive (and consequently unpopular) time slot into and out of LHR. The only growth possible was with the introduction of the A380.

Similarly, flights going to and/or through NRT were similarly constrained. No new slots are expected at this airport till sometime after 2009 or 2010 at the earliest.

SIA - like other A380 airlines - is also very excited about the space that the A380 has in the cabins. While you will not see 800 seats cramped into them, SIA sees this as an opportunity to differentiate its product vis-a-vis other airlines by providing much more personal space in all three classes of travel. And Qantas with a similar low-density configuration will certainly be travelling down the same path (and has even engaged an artist to design its interior from nose to tail).

Prestige and pride . . . certainly. But more importantly, many of the airlines that have ordered the A380s have done their mathematics and found that it adds to the bottomline. It isn't a case of a bunch of rich kids with billions of dollars in thier wallet.

It certainly isn't a repeat of the situation a couple of decades ago when airlines from Africa order a single B747-200 to add to their fleet of clunky old narrow-bodied jets and props.

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RE: Singapore Will Keep A380 Order

Thu Nov 09, 2006 6:53 am

Quoting Anax (Reply 3):
my bets on FED EX returning to A380 in the future. The need the load capacity it offers , no matter how many T7's they buy

Oh, I think 30 777's would more than make up for the 10 A380's.
 
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RE: Singapore Will Keep A380 Order

Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:30 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 17):
SQ decided the A380 will work well for them and are keeping their order. FX decided the A380 won't work for them and have decided to cancel.

What's so difficult?

It can't possibly be true? The 380 can't possibly work for anyone, now can it??  Wink.

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RE: Singapore Will Keep A380 Order

Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:42 am

Quoting Dank (Reply 23):

It can't possibly be true? The 380 can't possibly work for anyone, now can it??  Wink.

I guess you are right...no arguments there.. Wink

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