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Saddams 747SP

Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:13 am

Has there been any activity regarding the SP which was aquired new for Saddam Husseins personal transport in 1982 and hardly flown in the 8 years before UN sanctions banned it from flying? I assume its still desert-parked in Tunisia. But its a few years since Saddams cruel regime was defeated, so what intentions does the owner (arguably the current Iraqi government) have with it. Flight-hour wise this aircraft is almost like new, even if its technology is somewhat outdatet being a very generous fuel consumer.
 
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RE: Saddams 747SP

Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:21 am

http://www.747sp.com/History.asp?22858

Wow,only 1900 hours and 688 cycles. I'm sure 15 years in the desert sun wasn't kind to the rubber!
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RE: Saddams 747SP

Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:21 pm

Wouldn't this be a prime "target" for some large executive transport operators?

This is really a unique aircraft and, with large business jets orders we are seeing lately, it could be a matter of real prestige to have this plane in the fleet. One could say it's almost new!
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RE: Saddams 747SP

Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:26 pm

Let Mr. Zalamai Khalilzad use it Big grin
 
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RE: Saddams 747SP

Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:58 pm

I really could use this baby!  (If it were fixed up, of course)

Once or twice a year I travel from my hometown (Fort Wayne, IN (FWA)) to London, UK, for schooling at King's College London. (I'm studying to be a craniofacial-anomalies research doctor). A private 747SP would make this trip non-stop. When not in my own use, it could be used to bring family and friends over to London to visit me. I have so many people at home wanting to visit me here in London, especially my mother. When not in use, it could also be chartered out and earn money for me. (A great way to pay off mounting student loans!)

I think a 747SP of mine would look great in this smart livery, wouldn't you agree? The photos below are of a large 747-100 model I custom-painted, but imagine this livery on a 747SP instead!





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RE: Saddams 747SP

Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:11 pm

Here we go!  Big grin


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RE: Saddams 747SP

Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:29 pm

Quoting United_fan (Reply 1):
I'm sure 15 years in the desert sun wasn't kind to the rubber!

Wouldn't the fact that the aircraft was stored in the desert be actually beneficial to the state of the frame? I mean as in storing in Mojave or Marana.
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RE: Saddams 747SP

Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:24 pm

I was told that Iraqi crew went to Tunisia at times to perform some engine run ups...i cannot confirm it though...
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RE: Saddams 747SP

Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:25 pm

Quoting SmithAir747 (Reply 4):
Once or twice a year I travel from my hometown (Fort Wayne, IN (FWA)) to London, UK, for schooling at King's College London. (I'm studying to be a craniofacial-anomalies research doctor). A private 747SP would

make a GREAT mobile hospital facility where good folks like yourself could go into areas of the world and make available your skills and expertise to handle medical situations that can't be taken care of by the local people. Kings College could probably pick this plane up for a reasonable price (since Great Britain was one of the coalition that "liberated" Iraq, they could probably arrange to get it for a steal... pun intended.)
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RE: Saddams 747SP

Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:35 pm

Quoting SmithAir747 (Reply 4):
SmithAir747

Nice model. BA had a very similar scheme in the world tails livery series, you might be interested in it.
 
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RE: Saddams 747SP

Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:42 pm

Quoting AirMalta (Reply 7):
I was told that Iraqi crew went to Tunisia at times to perform some engine run ups...i cannot confirm it though...
malcolm

Yes that is true, but AFAIK it is not done anymore
 
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RE: Saddams 747SP

Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:52 pm

Quoting Jerald01 (Reply 8):
make a GREAT mobile hospital facility where good folks like yourself could go into areas of the world and make available your skills and expertise to handle medical situations that can't be taken care of by the local people. Kings College could probably pick this plane up for a reasonable price (since Great Britain was one of the coalition that "liberated" Iraq, they could probably arrange to get it for a steal... pun intended.)

YES! That's a great idea too--why didn't I think of that before? Big grin

There is a great need in the developing world for cleft lip, palate, and craniofacial surgery for the unfortunate children who have these conditions. I am fortunate to have had such advanced care during my childhood in the US for my Treacher Collins syndrome. Unfortunately, many children worldwide have no such care.

Usually, these kids are abandoned or isolated from society because of their deformities. There is simply no adequate medical care in large parts of the world for these disfigured children. Due to the superstition surrounding facial appearance and disfigurement, these children do not have much of a life to look forward to.

There are a few organisations in the US and possibly in Europe who specialise in providing craniofacial and cleft surgery for children in the developing world, such as Smile Train and others. In fact, one of my former surgeons (who headed up the craniofacial institute at St. Louis Children's Hospital when I was a patient there) has gone into areas of Central America and provided craniofacial surgery there.

Like the ORBIS DC-10 that is used for eye surgery, a specially fitted out Boeing 747SP (like the aforementioned ex-Saddam one) would be useful for a "flying hospital" specialising in craniofacial and cleft surgery. There is more than enough room on the main deck for a complete surgical suite, preoperative holding area, and post-anaesthesia recovery (PAR) unit. The rest of the plane (fore main deck and upper deck) could be used for medical seminars/training and transport of personnel between stations. The belowdecks holds could provide storage and other necessary uses (maybe even an internal airstair system). A 747SP has the long legs for going where it needs to and could land just about at any reasonable airport in the developing world.

How about that?

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RE: Saddams 747SP

Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:55 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 9):
Nice model. BA had a very similar scheme in the world tails livery series, you might be interested in it.

I loved that particular scheme myself--the Irish "Colum" World Tail scheme! In fact, that was the inspiration for the design on my model's tail (besides my pride in my Irish-American heritage).

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RE: Saddams 747SP

Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:33 pm

True,being stored in the desert is good for the plane,but you'de have to repalce all rubber seals,tires and hydraulic lines. Not to mention the engines,which the above picture aren't covered and are probably full of sand. I doubt this plane will fly,also there's the issue of who 'owns' it .
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RE: Saddams 747SP

Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:12 am

I don't have the issue handy but, Airliner World had pics of it (747SP) along with a 732 and 4-6 727's all stripped of engines at Bagdad. One of the 727's was destroyed in the initial attack of the airport. An IL76 is also pictured. All pics were taken at Bagdad, I believe it was an issue from late 2002. Finding the 732 at Bagdad was a suprise according to the article as it's existance was previously unknown until found at the airfield. The article was titled Bagdad Int'l.

The engines were removed from the planes to show the UN and US that they were not airworthy under the imposed sanctions.

Some of the fleet was flown to Amman before the first Gulf War........not sure of the status on these aircraft.

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RE: Saddams 747SP

Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:42 am

Quoting Acabgd (Reply 6):
Wouldn't the fact that the aircraft was stored in the desert be actually beneficial to the state of the frame? I mean as in storing in Mojave or Marana.

How much work will this bird need to be fully airworthy if at all possible and economical? I would image far more than the equivalent of a D check?
 
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RE: Saddams 747SP

Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:11 am

This aircraft was not one of the aircraft parked in Baghdad...it has been stored in Tunisia (Confirmed with the databse pictures post 2004). The 747 shown at Baghdad was an Iraqi Airways 747, not the executive jet owned by Saddam Hussein.
 
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RE: Saddams 747SP

Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:45 am

The Iraqi 747SP in Baghdad has/had a stripped out flight deck from the pics.
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RE: Saddams 747SP

Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:59 am

Iraqi Airways will soon take 4 or 5 B734s....My friend runs Teebah Airlines and they was flying with them however since 9L is banned from EU they no longer operates with 9L registry infact they changed to J2.I was told that Iraqi was also interested to go on the EC registry in Spain however I think they went on Djibouti.
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RE: Saddams 747SP

Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:37 am

Aircraft ferried to Amman b4 first war.............excluding the 707 and the 732.


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RE: Saddams 747SP

Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:42 am

I actually saw the Iraqi 747SP VIP at TOE three years ago in December.
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RE: Saddams 747SP

Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:44 am

Perhaps we should just 'hang' it from a museum somewhere. Know what I mean Brian?
 
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RE: Saddams 747SP

Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:47 am

A Qatari sheik gave Saddam a 747 as a gift sometime during the 90's I remember seeing this in the news. Does anyone remember anything of this sort?
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RE: Saddams 747SP

Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:54 am

There were two different Iraqi SPs. The original one was from the early 1980s which was a VIP aircraft. The second one was an ex-airliner (I think Mandarin) that was donated by a Qatari in the early part of this decade and was used on passenger services by Iraqi Airways.
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RE: Saddams 747SP

Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:03 am

Quoting A300 (Reply 23):
There were two different Iraqi SPs. The original one was from the early 1980s which was a VIP aircraft. The second one was an ex-airliner (I think Mandarin) that was donated by a Qatari in the early part of this decade and was used on passenger services by Iraqi Airways.

Thanks A300. I was talking about the latter I specifically remember from the news that a Qatari businessman/Sheik gave the plane to Saddam as a present.
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RE: Saddams 747SP

Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:16 am

There were a few 747s at BIAP when I first arrived here. They were just parked off to the side, melting away in the desert heat.

We climbed all of them. Went inside, went up to the cockpit, stood on the wings... it was the first 747 that I actually got to go down into the cargo hold. Not a place many 747 passengers ever get to see.

Unfortunately almost all of them have deteriorated to the point where they're no longer useful - except for perhaps scrap metal. Iraq is littered with the hulks of abandoned aircraft. 747s, 727s, MiG29s, MiG21s even a few Tu-16 Badgers! I took the HSI off a MiG29 as a "souvenir."  Silly


Here are some images. BIAP:
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B747SP:
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Wing surfing on a B727:
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g52/UH60PilotIraq/Iraq%202/524.jpg

The remains of an aircraft:


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RE: Saddams 747SP

Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:17 am

Could do with a bloody good paint job!!!
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RE: Saddams 747SP

Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:35 am

[quote=SmithAir747,reply=4][/quote I want to wish you all the best with your chosen surgical field.God bless you,and if & when this wonderful cause can be a reality,I'm sure many of us on A-net,would love to contribute!  angel 
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RE: Saddams 747SP

Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:21 am

The SP is just about as clean as AF planes  Wink
 
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RE: Saddams 747SP

Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:21 am

I dont understand but because the B747SP one of those donated from Gulf Air Falcon was operational a few months before the Iraqi War....I saw some photos on some magazines only a few months before the strike..
any help pls?
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