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starstream707
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US Carriers To Brazil

Sun Nov 19, 2006 3:04 pm

Why do all the U.S. majors (DL, AA, CO, UA) fly to Sao Paulo (SBGR) instead of say Rio De Janero (SBGL) or Brasilia? I figured Rio would be the bigger tourist opportunity. It seems all those flights go to MIA or the east coast somewhere like JFK. Didn't BN(Braniff) have flights to LAX also? How come no flights go out of IAH down there? (If they do I didn't seem them on flightaware) Any info would help. Thanks!
 
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RE: US Carriers To Brazil

Sun Nov 19, 2006 3:16 pm

Because GRU is the main business center. GIG is not far behind in second.

Most traffic is not tourist.

Quoting Starstream707 (Thread starter):
Didn't BN(Braniff) have flights to LAX also?

Varig did until recently.

Quoting Starstream707 (Thread starter):
How come no flights go out of IAH down there?

CO 93 (B764) IAH-GRU-GIG (GRU-GIG leg allows for connecting pax from CO 31 coming from EWR)

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RE: US Carriers To Brazil

Sun Nov 19, 2006 3:20 pm

Sao Paulo simply put is the largest city in Brazil both population wise and the business capital of the nation in addition to being the most populous city in South Americas, and one of the largest in the world.

While Rio indeed is more attractive for tourism, the US carriers focus on the overall greater demand for both business, cargo the larger Sao Paulo market drives.

As Brazil is a limited entry market carriers serve Rio either via a Sao Paulo stop or a secondary independent flight once after having already established in Sao Paulo.

As far as your Braniff question, I dont believe they ever had Brazil rights.
Brazil was in Pan Am's sphere instead.
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RE: US Carriers To Brazil

Sun Nov 19, 2006 6:47 pm

Yes Ameican also flies (flew) to Belo Horizonte did they not?
 
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RE: US Carriers To Brazil

Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:13 pm

Braniff did serve both São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro. They were served from LAX via LIM. There was also a nonstop JFK-GIG flight towards the end I believe and some routes from Panama City. However, Pan Am was the main U.S. carrier to Brazil with flights from JFK and MIA.
 
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RE: US Carriers To Brazil

Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:33 pm

Americans carriers flying to Brazil, I believe we have:

American Airlines
3 or 4 daily(?) MIA-GRU, B763 and B772
daily JFK-GRU-GIG, B772
daily DFW-GRU, B763
twice daily MIA-GIG, B763

Delta
twice daily ATL-GRU, B763
daily JFK-GRU, B763
daily ATL-GIG, B763

Continental
daily IAH-GRU-GIG, B764
daily EWR-GRU, B762

United
twice daily IAD-GRU (one of the flights goes on to GIG)
daily ORD-GRU
All flights on the B763

Quoting ZKNBX (Reply 3):
Yes Ameican also flies (flew) to Belo Horizonte did they not?

CNF was dropped in 2004 after 10 years of AA operation there, always via GIG or GRU. CO also flew DC-10s (I believe EWR-GIG-CNF) and so United in the 90s on the B763 via GIG or GRU.
AA also flew to POA very shortly around 1997 or 1998.
 
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RE: US Carriers To Brazil

Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:08 pm

Do not forget that LAX was served by VP and RG, VP dropped it in 2000 and RG dropped it last year. It is expected that RG will resume the flights to LAX in the near future.
 
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RE: US Carriers To Brazil

Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:22 am

CGH and GRU also has far better connections to the rest of Brasil and South America at this time than GIG or SDU can offer. Possibly it will be better connections in the future from the Rio area if TAM continues to expand there.
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RE: US Carriers To Brazil

Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:29 am

Prior to 9/11, American Airlines flew nonstop JFK-GIG with a 767-200ER along with the daily nonstop JFK-GRU.

Continental also flew nonstop EWR-GIG. The route was dropped after 9/11 and never came back.

The flight was discontinued.

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RE: US Carriers To Brazil

Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:06 am

I can tell you this, AA's load factors to Brazil are VERY good. Overall running 90+% LF year round now. These LF got a great boost with the collaps of Varig. Good for AA, sucks for non-rev.
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RE: US Carriers To Brazil

Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:46 am

Quoting BSBIsland (Reply 5):
so United in the 90s on the B763 via GIG or GRU.

United was non-stop, MIA-CNF.
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RE: US Carriers To Brazil

Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:09 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
United was non-stop, MIA-CNF.

I clearly remember it wasnt.
 
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RE: US Carriers To Brazil

Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:13 am

Does anyone know how CO 93 is doing load factor wise? Is it a good route for CO? Will EWR ever get upgraded to a 764? It seems CO has the smallest marketshare of the carriers on the NY/NJ-Brazil flights. Does CO have any plans for Brazil? Capacity boost? I know CO is short on longhaul aircraft but if it were available, would GRU/GIG see an upgrade from CO? Also would AA ever go all 777 to GRU? What about DL are they looking at sending any 764s down there? How is UA doing in Brazil? Any chance they would ever abandon GRU/GIG? I know their latin american presence is quite weak. Lots of questions!!

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RE: US Carriers To Brazil

Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:17 am

Quoting BSBIsland (Reply 11):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
United was non-stop, MIA-CNF.

I clearly remember it wasnt.

It clearly was:

UNITED AIRLINES TO SERVE MIAMI-BELO HORIZONTE; EXCLUSIVE NONSTOP FLIGHTS TO BEGIN JUNE 13
From: PR Newswire | Date: February 14, 1995
PR Newswire

CHICAGO, Feb. 14 /PRNewswire/ -- United Airlines announced today it will begin scheduled service to a new Brazilian destination -- Belo Horizonte, the capital of the state of Minas Gerais and the country's fourth largest city.


http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-16455115.html
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RE: US Carriers To Brazil

Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:58 am

Quoting 767-300ER (Reply 12):
Does anyone know how CO 93 is doing load factor wise?

Very well. Around 85% as per CO Brazil.

Quoting 767-300ER (Reply 12):
Is it a good route for CO?

For sure, high yields due to oil and other business. They use to send the 764 only during the peak season, and nowadays they run the flight year-round with 764.

Quoting 767-300ER (Reply 12):
Will EWR ever get upgraded to a 764?

I don't think so, the NY market is too competitive and during the last 12 months, although lost Varig, Tam introduce 2x daily flights and also Delta runs a new daily flight.

Quoting 767-300ER (Reply 12):
Does CO have any plans for Brazil? Capacity boost? I know CO is short on longhaul aircraft but if it were available, would GRU/GIG see an upgrade from CO?

CO faces shortage on longhaul and also on US-Brazil bilateral frequencies. IMO they could fly IAH-GIG, IAH-GRU and EWR-GRU-GIG, but they need more frequencies!

Quoting 767-300ER (Reply 12):
Also would AA ever go all 777 to GRU?

All 777 i doubt. But DFW could be upgraded. AA904/905 GIG-MIA IMO could also be upgraded to 777 year-round.

Quoting 767-300ER (Reply 12):
What about DL are they looking at sending any 764s down there?

DL could upgrade GRU-ATL to 764 year round, and even GIG-ATL during the peak season. It's on their short term plans (next year).

Quoting 767-300ER (Reply 12):
How is UA doing in Brazil? Any chance they would ever abandon GRU/GIG? I know their latin american presence is quite weak. Lots of questions!!

UA is doing good in Brazil, around 5 points better than worldwide average. I doubt they ever abandon GRU or GIG as the routes to Brazil are profitable.

Quoting 767-300ER (Reply 12):
Lots of questions!!

And all replied  Smile

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RE: US Carriers To Brazil

Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:07 am

I've flown the CO IAH-GRU flight and it was 85% full. I'm flying on Delta from ATL in January, so we shall see how full it is then. I wish it was a 764 instead of the 763.
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RE: US Carriers To Brazil

Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:08 am

I think any airline should restart LAX service as soon as possible. LAX is a great market and, if I am not wrong, it always had good yield for the airlines which operated the route.

Any thoughts about it?
 
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RE: US Carriers To Brazil

Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:01 pm

Quoting Md94 (Reply 15):
I'm flying on Delta from ATL in January, so we shall see how full it is then. I wish it was a 764 instead of the 763.

I flew Delta JFK-GRU a couple of weeks ago on the 763 and was actually impressed. I usually fly Business on United but the seats in Delta's Business Elite had new leather seat covers, five more inches pitch than United, great food and service plus my aircraft had the new touch screen digital entertainment system. It really made United's product look tired. You shouldn't be disappointed with the 763 id they're using the same equiptment out of ATL.
 
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RE: US Carriers To Brazil

Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:11 pm

Quoting Jrosa (Reply 16):
I think any airline should restart LAX service as soon as possible. LAX is a great market and, if I am not wrong, it always had good yield for the airlines which operated the route.

Ocean Air will fly LAX very soon.

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RE: US Carriers To Brazil

Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:30 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 18):
Ocean Air will fly LAX very soon.

I really hope that Ocean Air does it non-stop, instead of stopping in Bogota or connecting with any of the Avianca flights.

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