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Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:32 pm

Hey A.netters,

Just wondering, what is the biggest aircraft used on the shortest route? Let the games begin....
 
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Fri Nov 24, 2006 5:20 pm

DL ATL-SAV on a 757. I am sure this is not even in the top 10, but a lot of plane for a short flight.
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Fri Nov 24, 2006 5:21 pm

LHR-FRA, British Airways, Boeing 767-300
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Fri Nov 24, 2006 5:28 pm

Years ago I have flown ZRH-LRH and back on a MD-11.
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Fri Nov 24, 2006 5:39 pm

DOH-BAH: A333 (QR), 772 (BA), 744 (BA), QR A332
DOH-DXB: A346 (QR), 77W (EK), 777-all types (EK), A330 (all types, QR, EK)

very common in the Arabian Gulf region with EK and QR to be flying short routes and big aircraft.
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Fri Nov 24, 2006 5:43 pm

Some of those Japanese domestic routed that they operate with 747's??
 
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Fri Nov 24, 2006 5:48 pm

Along with the Japanese routes, the SIN-KUL (and other SIN - Malaysia flights) operated by SQ are using 777 aircraft. (Less than an hour some of the flights)
 
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Fri Nov 24, 2006 6:06 pm

Not a big aircraft as such but a very short route, I have flown NAN-SUV (FIJI) many times in Air Pacific B737-700/800. The flight time is 14 minutes from t/o to touchdown.

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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Fri Nov 24, 2006 6:10 pm

I few years ago I flew DEN - ORD on a UA 777. I believe UA were also using the 777 on the ORD - IAD route at one time as well, if not still.
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Fri Nov 24, 2006 6:17 pm

Best one i have done is SIN-KUL-SIN with Singapore Airlines. They use a 777-200 for a 40 minute flight  Wow!

Must be somewhere near the top for shortness of flight by size of aircraft.
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Fri Nov 24, 2006 6:19 pm

AMS - LHR on a A330.

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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Fri Nov 24, 2006 6:21 pm

SYD-MEL/BNE with the B744, A333, B763
 
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Fri Nov 24, 2006 6:34 pm

DUB-SNN Aer Lingus A330.
 
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Fri Nov 24, 2006 6:49 pm

EZE-MVD is not even 30 minutes, I swear to you. It goes by so fast. AA and UA use a 763 on it daily. I don't know how long SYD-MEL is but UA also uses a 744 (I assume QF too). That's probably really short on a really huge plane. By the looks of it, however, the Gulf has everyone beat.
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Fri Nov 24, 2006 7:24 pm

SIN - BKK
SQ B744

SIN - CGK
SQ A345

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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:01 pm

HKG - KHH gate to gate is around one hour. Dragonair sometimes use A330 for the route. YYZ - YUL / YOW are sometime similar and regularily served by B767.
 
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:19 pm

think AMS-LHR beats all...

We had (Both BA and KL) 767's 777's and even 747's

now its KL A330, which obviously is big for a 280? Km route...
 
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:31 pm

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 12):
DUB-SNN Aer Lingus A330.

That's got to be the biggest and shortest I've ever been on. (OK they do continue on to the US)
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:24 pm

Quoting Helvknight (Reply 17):

That's got to be the biggest and shortest I've ever been on.

I've flown SNN R06 to DUB R10 in 17 minutes.
 
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:32 pm

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 16):
think AMS-LHR beats all...

When Sabena was still around, it used to fly between Kinshasa's N'Djili International Airport (FIH) in the Democratic Republic of Congo and Congo's Brazaville International Airport (BZV) twice weekly with B743. Although the flying time was about 20 minutes, the distance between the 2 airports is just 32 miles as they are basically located at both sides of the river. I guess that must have been one of the shortest regularly schedules widebody flights.
 
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:47 pm

I believe TG uses this short route to keep up the required amount of monthly takeoffs/landings

lifting this from a clients itinerary:

3 TG 215 Y BKKHKT 773 SNACK 1:20
NON-SMOKING


4 TG 222 Y HKTBKK 747 SNACK 1:25
NON-SMOKING
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:48 pm

I think we should come up with a scale.

Number of miles divided by the number of seats. The lower number = the bigger plane used for the shortest route:

For instance, DL ATL-MCO on the 767-400...

403 miles divided by 285 seats = 1.41 miles per seat.

Air Lingus DUB-SNN even less:

121 miles divided by 327 seats = .37 miles per seat.

I think any flights listed should be bookable; I don't think you can book SYD-MEL on UA, but I could be wrong.
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:59 pm

Long ago...
AM DC-10-30 MEX-ACA
Single class seating capacity of 345
190 miles
0.55 miles per seat
1.816 seats per mile
This was a short hop in the JFK-MEX-ACA route.

[Edited 2006-11-24 14:12:58]

[Edited 2006-11-24 14:15:03]
Let's go UPN-DWN
 
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:47 pm

Quoting Ag92 (Reply 14):
SIN - CGK
SQ A345

Also 772 and 773.
 
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:52 pm

Quoting Fanoftristars (Reply 21):
Air Lingus DUB-SNN even less:

121 miles divided by 327 seats = .37 miles per seat.

I think any flights listed should be bookable; I don't think you can book SYD-MEL on UA, but I could be wrong.

And i think any flights should be 100% single sector operations - multiple sectors distort things.

SNN-DUB may be possible on an EI A330, but you know damn well that the vast majority of people have actually flown considerably further on those services.

SQs SIN-KUL service, or LHR-AMS is a single segment flight and therefore is a true reflection of a large aircraft on a dedicated service, where all the seats are for that service, and not just a segment of a multi-sector flight, or a positioning flight.
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:53 pm

Quoting Fanoftristars (Reply 21):
Air Lingus

Aer Lingus
 
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:16 pm

Flew Toronto to Ottowa on a Zoom 767 on Sunday night. 25 minutes airborne, all the way up to 33,000 feet and back. The performance of a lightly loaded 767 is amazing.

Also flew AMS-CDG on a Varig Scud in Jan, very short flight, lovely.

Since the 707 was built for medium and long haul (and also to show off), I'm going to put Tehran-Mashad on a Saha 707 last month, 53 minutes in the air.
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:32 pm

About 8-9 years ago UAL use to fly their DC-10's from DEN to COS not sure of the distance, also NWA use to fly a 747 between ORD and DTW.
 
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:42 pm

DL MCO-ATL 777 and 767

with around 11 frequencies a day
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:52 pm

TG flies BKK-CNX (50 mins) on 744 (some seasons)
TG flies BKK-HKT (1.10mins) on 744
MH flew KUL-SIN (40 mins) on 744 (not sure about now)
SV flies JFK-IAD (35 mins) on 744
JL flew NGO-NRT (45 mins) on 744 (not sure about now)
 
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:55 pm

Maybe we should impose that no connections are allowed that use large aircrafts only for scheduling reasons, such as SIN-CGK (just to move the A345 which otherwise would wait for the next trans-pacific flight) or DUB-SNN (government-imposed subsidization of SNN)). These are somehow statistical mavericks.

I think the real interesting ones are these HND-KIX (maybe even shorter one's?) flights with high density 744s (550 seats) that come with a mile/seat ratio of 0.49 ...

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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Sat Nov 25, 2006 12:03 am

LTU A332/A333 KVA-SKG (91mi.) in Greece
 
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Sat Nov 25, 2006 2:37 am

MEA regularly operated their LCA flight with A330s. Flight time is around 35 minutes minutes... 1.93 miles per seat
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Sat Nov 25, 2006 4:29 am

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 8):
777 on the ORD - IAD route at one time as well, if not still.

They are now currently at the 763.

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 28):
DL MCO-ATL 777 and 767

with around 11 frequencies a day

Not all 11 are with 777s and 767s. And I belive they stopped flying with the 777 from MCO to ATL. It is now between 757, 763, 764s. Mostly 763s.
 
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Sat Nov 25, 2006 4:44 am

Not a regular flight, but my shortest:

OX 999 DMK-BKK B747SR (19 miles)

563 seater, flight time 7 minutes.
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Sat Nov 25, 2006 4:53 am

Here's the top 5 in the United States according to the formula miles divided by seats:

Airline Route Equip Miles Seats Miles/Seat
AS PSG-WRG 734 31 144 .22
HA SJC-SMF 763 94 260 .36
NW DTW-FNT 320 56 148 .38
NW OGG-KOA 753 91 224 .40
NW HNL-OGG 753 101 224 .45
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Sat Nov 25, 2006 4:59 am

LH A300 FRA-MUC 187mi / 162nm  wave 
300 319 320 321 332 733 734 735 738 753 763 F27 M83
 
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Sat Nov 25, 2006 5:35 am

ZRH-MAN, SQ 747-400 (1h20m). Did this flight back in May - the climb rate of a zero-fuel/half empty 747 is astounding!

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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:08 am

KCLE - KCAK Ernest Angley Ministries 747SP, 40 miles,

does this route when coming from international destinations to go to customs at KCLE before going to KCAK
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:17 am

LGW-DUB British Airways 777-200 (due tech 737's) x2 days!
 
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:36 am

For the return trip to France we have made a stopover between Abidjan( ABJ ) and Paris( CDG ) in Lome. ABJ-LFW(lome) is 50mins and the aircraft was a B777 from Air France.
I will go to Abidjan in December and i will fly an airfrance A330 and we will have a stopover again.
Emirates flight between Accra and Abidjan is very short(35mins<>) and i think the aircraft is a B777
 
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:49 am

Quoting A300605R (Reply 36):
LH A300 FRA-MUC 187mi / 162nm

Damn, you beat us.  Wink FRA-HAM is also pretty short at 223 nm still air distance and very occasionally gets an A330 on a revenue flight, along with the usual mix of AB6s and narrowbodies. I'm sure FRA-MUC gets also a share of A330s but those could be more positioning flights where they take advantage and fly the positioning flight as a revenue flight, and not substitutions as is likely when an A330 flies FRA-HAM.
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:50 am

DL ATL-FLL with 757 and 767-300 with over 10x daily
AA DFW-ORD with a 777
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:57 am

CDG-LHR AF 747-400

filler filler filler
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:07 am

From the past do i remember flying:

Stockholm - Gothenburg with DC10 on a 40 min flight.

Stockholm - Mariehamn (Finland) with DC9 on a 15 min flight.

Stockholm - Borlänge with F28 on a 20 min flight.

Stockholm - Oslo with 747-200 on a 50 min flight.

Stockholm - Copenhagen with 747-200/DC10/767 on a 1 h 10 m flight.

Stockholm - Karlstad with 737-300 on a 25 min flight.

Stockholm - Helsinki with A300 on a 50 min flight.
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And now: (For example 2006)

Athens -Thessaloniki with A300-600 on a 55 min flight.

Madrid - Tenerife with A340-300 on a 2 h 45 m flight.

Madrid - Las Palmas with A340-300 on a 2 h 45 m flight.

Alger - Marseille with A330 on a 1 h 15 m flight.

Frankfurt - Hamburg with A300-600 on a 1 h flight.
 
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:15 am

Hi

VN Rotation from SGN to DAD with 767 or 777! Around 1h.
Or what about SV flight 184 from FRA to GVA with 777 every friday.

anything else?
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:17 am

Quoting FLLspoter (Reply 42):
DL ATL-FLL with 757 and 767-300 with over 10x daily

What about ATL-MCO, which was once served with a 777?

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 43):
CDG-LHR AF 747-400

AFAIK, BA also flies LHR-CDG on occasion with a 747.
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:23 am

BWIA

POS BGI A340

Back in the 90s they had L1011 on the 15 min flight from POS to TAB
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:27 am

Buenos Aires-Montevideo 0:40m KLM-743 (not anymore), United 763, American 763 and Air France 747 (not anymore).

Buenos Aires-Iguazu 1h 45m Aerolineas Argentinas A340
Buenos Aires-Ushuaia 3h 40m Aerolineas Argentinas Boeing744
 
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RE: Short Routes/ Biggest Aircraft

Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:32 am

AI flights from Chicago to Bangalore usually land in Bombay first and usually half of the plane empties there. It is operated a new flight with new cabin crew from Bombay to Bangalore. It usually lasts around 40 minutes and must list among the shortest routes with 747 as the equipment.

What about domestic flights in Japan where 747s are used in high density configuration ?

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