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McDonnell Douglas DC 8 -- A Tribute By Wings.

Sat Nov 25, 2006 5:55 pm

McDonnell Douglas DC 8 -- A Tribute By Wings.


Well here you have it, my 7th Tribute and the first for the McDonnell Douglas family of aircraft. I decided to make the DC-8 my first Tribute form the Douglas family of aircraft as I believe that it is sometimes misunderstood. So I hope that with the following information everyone can get a better understanding into the history of this magnificent airplane.



The Douglas DC-8 is a four-engined jet airliner, manufactured by the Douglas Aircraft Company, (McDonnell Douglas) between 1958 and 1972, of which 556 frames were delivered. The DC-8 would also mark Douglas first entry into the manufacturing of a jet powered airliner. The DC-8 along with it's main rival the B707 would represent a significant chapter in the evolution of commercial air transport design in it's era. So much so that it helped mold aviation transport as we know now.



During the 1950's, The Douglas Aircraft Company continued to be the most successful of the aircraft manufactures. This fact was attributed to the success of the piston engined DC-6 and it's successor the DC-7. Due to the various incidents involving the DeHavilland Comet, many airlines lost interest in jet powered aircraft, and so Douglas believed that they were heading into the right direction with the manufacturing of propeller aircraft.

With the USAF requirement for a tanker in the early 1950's, Douglas secretly began jet transport project definition studies in 1952, and by mid-1953 had decided on something very like the final form: an 80-seat, low-wing aircraft with four Pratt & Whitney JT3C turbojet engines. The Douglas Company were confident that the USAF would award the tanker project to two aircraft manufactures like it did on previous occasions involving transport contracts. In May 1954, the USAF circulated its requirement for 800 jet tankers to Boeing, Douglas, Convair, Fairchild, Lockheed, and Martin.

The USAF tanker evaluation would be completed in just four months, with an initial order for 29 KC-135, from Boeing. This initial order would become the first of a total of 808 tankers that was acquired by the USAF, of which all coming from Boeing. Douglas protested to Washington, due to the fact that the other competing companies didn't have enough time to complete their bids, but with no success.

Due to the loss of the USAF tanker contract to Boeing, Douglas had been left to fund the DC-8 program with it's own resources. With the program already having commenced Douglas decided that it was better to press on with the DC-8 program. After consulting with various airlines, The proposed DC-8 would suffer various alterations. The fuselage was widened by 15 inches (380 mm) to allow six-abreast seating and make it slightly wider than the 707. This led to larger wings and tail surfaces and a longer fuselage. The DC-8 program would become one of the most expensive ventures ever undertaken by a single company in that time, with Donald Douglas providing $450 million towards the program from his personal resources.



The DC-8 program was officially launched in July 1955. Initially the DC-8 wa offered with four versions, with all being based on the same fuselage, 150 ft 6 in (45.9 m) long airframe with a 141 ft 1 in (43 m) wingspan. The main differences between the versions would be in the type of power plant and fuel capacity. In October 1955 Pan American, became the launch customer for the DC-8, with an order for 25 frames. Other major's would also opt for the DC-8 early order from United,National, KLM, Eastern, JAL, SAS, Delta, Swissair, TAI, Trans-Canada and UAT.

In Early 1958 Douglas had sold 133 DC-8s as against Boeing's 150 707s, a substantial achievement under the circumstances. Despite this achievement the DC-8 would fall behind it's closet rival the B707 which would end up selling nearly twice as many frames.

In April 1958 the first DC-8 rolled out from the Douglas Long Beach factory. In August 1959 the FAA awarded certification the DC-8. The DC-8 entered revenue service with both Delta Air Lines and United in September 1959. By March of 1960, Douglas had reached their planned production rate of eight DC-8s a month.



DC-8 MODELS:

Douglas Philosophy into the DC-8 was to provide various versions with the same basic airframe differing only in engines, weights and details. In contrast, Boeing's rival 707 range offered several fuselage lengths: the original 44 m 707-120, a 41 m version that sacrificed space to gain longer range, and the stretched 707-320, which at 46.5 m overall had 3 m more cabin space than the DC-8.

DC-8 Series 10
Designed for U.S. domestic use and powered by 60.5 kN Pratt & Whitney JT3C-6 turbojets.
DC-8 Series 20 Higher-powered 70.8 kN Pratt & Whitney JT4A-3 turbojets allowed a weight increase to 125 tonnes.

DC-8 Series 30 Designed for intercontinental routes, the three Series 30 variants combined [img]JT4A engines with a one-third increase in fuel capacity and strengthened fuselage and landing gear.

DC-8 Series 40 The first turbofan-powered airliner in the world, the -40 was essentially the same as the -30 but with 78.4 kN Rolls-Royce Conway turbofans for better efficiency, less noise and less smoke.

DC-8 Series 50 The definitive short-fuselage DC-8 with the same engine that powered the vast majority of 707s, the JT3D. Many earlier DC-8s were converted to this standard.

DC-8 Jet Trader Specialised freighter versions of the DC-8, based on the Series 50.



SUPER SIXTIES:
In April 1965, with Douglas having booked less then 300 frames, Douglas gave another breath of life into the DC-8 program by announced the launch of a longer fuselage DC-8, which would allow the ability to transport up to 269 passengers. Three new models were launched, which would be known as the Super Sixties. 262 stretched DC-8 were produced before production ceased in 1972.

DC-8 Series 61 Designed for high capacity and medium range. It had the same weights and engines as the -53, and sacrificed range to gain capacity.

DC-8 Series 62 Long-range version. It had a much more modest stretch of just 2 m (with 1 m plugs fore and aft), the same JT8D-3B engines as the -53 and -61, and a number of modifications to provide greater range.

DC-8 Series 63 was the final new build variant and entered service in June 1968. It combined the aerodynamic refinements and increased fuel capacity of the -62 with the very long fuselage of the -61, and added 85 kN JT3D-7 turbofans.


SUPER SEVENTIES:
The DC-8-71, DC-8-72, and DC-8-73 were modified conversions, replacing the JT3D engines with 98.5 kN CFM56-2 high-bypass turbofans. The Super Seventies were a great success: roughly 70% quieter than the 60-Series and, at the time of their introduction, the world's quietest four-engined airliner. As well as being quieter and more powerful, the CFM56 was roughly 20% more fuel efficient than the JT3D, which reduced operating costs and extended the range. All three models were certified in 1982 and a total of 110 60-Series DC-8s were converted by the time the programme ended in 1986.



CHARACTERISTICS:



CREW: 3 flight crew

PASSENGERS:
(DC-8-10) 179
(DC-8-50) 189
(DC-8-63) 259



POWERPLANT:

DC-8-30 4X Pratt & Whitney JT4A-9 turbojets (67,200 lb)
DC-8-10 4X Pratt & Whitney JT3C-6 turbojets (54,000 lb)
DC-8-40 4X Rolls-Royce Conway 509 turbofans (70,000 lb)
DC-8-63 4X Pratt & Whitney JT3D-7 turbofans (76,000 lb)
DC-8-73 4X General Electric/SNECMA CFM56-2-C1 turbofans (88,000 lb)

ACCIDENT INVOLVING DC-8:

Hull-loss Accidents: 74 with a total of 2257 fatalities
Other occurrences (hull-loss): 6 with a total of 0 fatalities
Criminal occurrences (hull-loss, excl. Hijackings): 2 with a total of 73 fatalities
Hijackings: 46 with a total of 2 fatalities

INTERESTING FACTS:

-The DC-8 was easily the largest airliner in it's era and remained so until the Boeing 747 arrived in 1970.

-DC-8s is that the first airliner to exceed the speed of sound (albeit in a shallow dive) was actually a DC-8, on August 21, 1961 at Edwards Air Force Base. The aircraft in question was a DC-8-43 later delivered to Canadian Pacific Air Lines as CF-CPG.



In 1973, Braniff International commissioned the renowned artist Alexander Calder, to paint one its McDonnell Douglas DC-8-62 jets. The project was named "Flying Colors" and was designed as a 157-foot flying work of art, created and publicized to focus attention on Braniff's South American destinations.

SOURCES:

www.airliners.net
www.boeing.com
www.wickipedia.org
http://aviation-safety.net
http://www.aerospaceweb.org

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I hope that everyone has enjoyed taking stroll down memory lane of the DC-8.

Regards,
WINGS

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Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:41 pm

That was great, really interesting, shame I never got to fly a Diesel 8 before they all went to the freight dogs!
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Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:44 pm

Thanks for the memories. Standing under those great wings always gave a feeling of flight and power the 707 never quite did. Pure footage. My first International jet flight was on one of Northwests DC8s from Anchorage to Tokyo. Perhaps someone can tell me something about this flight I've wondered. I have a slide I took through those great wide windows (back when the rows matched the windows) showing a liquid that looked clear from the wingtip just before we got to the Aleutians. I'd later assumed this was water or a water/alchohol mixture that was no longer needed for take off and was dumped for weight savings. Can anyone verify that?

Another thing besides the windows I liked was the individual seat lamps just behind and over your shoulder instead of on the overhead. A boy my age barely reached a 707s.
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Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:05 pm

Thank you for writing the tribute! As always very interesting!
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Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:30 pm

Thank you for your time and work on this tribute of this classic. McD sure made the DC-8 so good that they could be improved with stronger engines and still make money in their old age when many aircraft are long scrapped. That a significant number still fly as freighters everyday including by UPS in their simple and nice brown on white and DHL/Airborne in their eye catching red on yellow, is a fine living honor for this model of aircraft. One critical way the DC-8 as you note was better than the 707 was that it was a bit wider, important for use in long haul. I have been crammed into transatlantic 707's and to me the DC-8 was slightly better. Even today, the DC-8 still looks good.
Don't forget that a number of Charter pax airliners had these aircraft after they were sold off by their original owners. One example was Transamerica who operated them for many years including in the early to mid-1980's for scheduled charter service between the USA and Shannon, Ireland. I was on one of those DC-8's JFK-SNN-JFK in 1984.
 
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Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:46 pm

Despite the fact that the DC-8 didn't sell as well as the 707 the plane did continue to be popular for many years, especially with foreign airlines with large DC-8 fleets like JL (which operated them well into the 1980's). I've flown the DC-8-50 series planes three times, all on JL (San Francisco-Honolulu, Honolulu-Tokyo, and Osaka-Taipei).

Today, the DC-8 Super Seventy freighters continue to do yeoman service for UPS, and will not likely be retired soon.  Smile
 
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Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:19 pm

I know from the great tribute provided by WINGS that the tanker order for the USAF went to Boeing. However, does anyone know if the USAF still operated the DC-8 in any capacity? It was common "pork-barrel" politics to do so back in those days.

Thanks!

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Sun Nov 26, 2006 1:18 am

Another great, thoughtfully well illustrated, tribute.

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Sun Nov 26, 2006 1:36 am

Quoting GDB (Reply 7):
Another great, thoughtfully well illustrated, tribute.

Douglas built 'em extra strong.



Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
I hope that everyone has enjoyed taking stroll down memory lane of the DC-8.

Also my Thanks for a nice tribute. Yup, As we have discussed many times here , Douglas built them to last...and last they have and will continue to do so for years to come!
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 1:41 am

My last ride on the DC-8 in 2000. Same aircraft, same place as depicted in the photo. I'd love to know if this bird is still flying?

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Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:18 am

Quoting Scalebuilder (Reply 6):
I know from the great tribute provided by WINGS that the tanker order for the USAF went to Boeing. However, does anyone know if the USAF still operated the DC-8 in any capacity? It was common "pork-barrel" politics to do so back in those days.

The USAF never had a DC-8 but the Navy did use an ex-United DC-8-54AF, as an EC-24A.
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:27 am

How many pax DC8s are left, including VIP? They're all DC-8-72s right? There's a Swiss one if I remember correctly, and the Aramco was sadly broken up recently. Shame there's no -73 paxs left. I would have liked to have seen one. Only DC8 I've ever seen at all was an Air Canada Cargo -73 when I was quite young in Halifax and that's it.
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:34 am

I always like your Tributes , thank you!
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:49 am

Thanks Wings! Great post!

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
In Early 1958 Douglas had sold 133 DC-8s as against Boeing's 150 707s, a substantial achievement under the circumstances. Despite this achievement the DC-8 would fall behind it's closet rival the B707 which would end up selling nearly twice as many frames.

Can you speak to why this was? Was it because MD originally had not intended to offer stretched versions, so they lost out early on in the orders war? Because I heard it was superior to the 707 in a number of areas (though I cannot remember what they were.) I heard there was some issue with regard to timing or something, not inferiority, that led to this bird selling only half of what the 707 did? Any insight?
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:54 am

As I have said before...great work, Wings! I'm still, however, waiting for your tribute to the Convair jets!!!!  bouncy 
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:34 am

Unfortunately, the first ever DC-8 built doesn't exist anymore. It lay rotting in the desert before being broken up. Such a sad end to such a great airplane.

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Sun Nov 26, 2006 5:38 am

I flew a DC-8 only once, an extra section UA rolled out for HNL-ORD. After the meal service we encountered MAJOR turbulence and people were puking all over the place. What a woozy bunch of pax we were when we disembarked at ORD. The F/A's were just as nauseus as we were but handled the situation with professional aplomb. Too bad my only DC-8 experience was that one, hardly the plane's fault tho, she got us home safe and sound!
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 7:48 am

Love your tributes. Silly question but what are those openings in the nose section of the air craft ? Are they air intakes ? As far as I remember I never had the chance to fly on a DC-8

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Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:38 am

Great tribute to an awesome aircraft
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:12 am

Good Job !! i have had the honory of flying a UA DC-8 from SEA-IAD in the early 90's...nice ride w/the new engines!
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:38 am

Wings, thanks for this thread.
I flew on the 8 numerous times. I flew them across the Atlantic from
JFK to LUX many times on Icelandic. Also did a round trip from JFK to
Shannon on Trans-America. Other flights were on EA from BDA to Newark,
Montreal (Mirabel) to Vancouver on CP and my favorite of all was from
Clark AFB in the Philippines to Travis AFB onboard Air Lift International.
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 11:57 am

I just have to say that working the ramp the UPS DC-8's were by far the most beautiful aircraft to roll on by - The sleek, windowless fuselage, the huge, practically silent new engines, not to mention the 10PM departure meant my shift was almost over!

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Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:10 pm

Thanks again Wings - I love these threads!!

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 9):
My last ride on the DC-8 in 2000. Same aircraft, same place as depicted in the photo. I'd love to know if this bird is still flying?

Still flying with ATI, but hauling cargo now as a CF - i could probably book you on this plane still, as long as you dont mind going in a carton (im a freight forwarder...)

Quoting Irobertson (Reply 11):
How many pax DC8s are left, including VIP? They're all DC-8-72s right? There's a Swiss one if I remember correctly, and the Aramco was sadly broken up recently

Just 4 i think (Jet Avn, Brisair, Mia & Gabon Gov't) - there are quite a few 50 & 60 srs still flying as freighters. I was going to do a whole series of 'classic jets still flying' but it didnt seem to popular - operators I have of the DC8 with main bases as follows: (feel free to ask for any more info or update)

Heavylift Int'l SHJ (1), Cygnus Air MAD (3), Jet Aviation Business Jets ZRH (1), Tampa Cargo MDE (2), Arrow Panama PTY (2), Saudi Aramco Aviation DMM (1 ? broken up?), ABX Air (DHL) ILN (16), Arrow Cargo MIA (4), Astar Air Cargo CVG (9), ATI LIT (21 - 1 std ROW), Int'l Air Response IGM (2 - 1 std VCV), Murray Air YIP (3), NASA opb University of ND (1), UPS SDF (46 - 6 std ROW), BETA Cargo MEA (2), Skymaster A/L MNE (3), United Arabian A/L KRT (1), Bismallah A/L DAC (1), Republic of Gabon LBV (1), Brisair AGP (1), Aeropostal Cargo de Mexico TLC (1), Mia A/L OTP (1), African Int'l A/W MSE, OST & JNB (5), Expoair CMB (1), MK A/L MSE & OST (12 - 1 std MSE & 3 std FZO), Transair Cargo Service FIH (1) & Silverback Cargo Freighters KGL (2).
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:13 pm

As a kid I flew the FI DC-8 super 60's from ORD-KEF-LUX often. I really loved the big windows but often got one with a limited view due to the fact that the windows despite being very large were spaced pretty far apart and FI squeezed as many pax on those birds as possible! The last time I flew one was in '82. I could tell that FI bird needed to go to pasture but was still thrilled to fly it and walk across the ramp in LUX.
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 1:56 pm

Very nice tribute my friend! I really enjoyed reading this. I am so glad that here in SJO we still have had the pleasure of receiving DC-8's, and most importantly, 60 series still fitted with their original engines, from Arrow Air and AeroPostal Carga de Mexico. We also used to recieve 70 series from ATI but they have been replaced by boring 762's from ABX Air  . Here are four photos of these birds and the Arrow Air did one of the most amazing takeoffs from SJO, rotating after the piano keys!! enroute to Managua (MGA):


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Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:17 pm

Thanks for the tribute. I flew the DC-8 quite a few times on UA and DL. My last flight on a DC-8 was on UA IAD-SFO in 1991. It was the last time I had a comfortable seat in coach.  Smile
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:38 pm

I flew the Finnairs DC-8 (charter) Helsinki-Vancouver-Helsinki, back in 1978 when I was a little boy... that was so exiting. Lot of Nordic immigrants in British-Columbia in Canada.


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Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:40 pm

A great tribute to my favorite civilian airliner. Ahh, someday!
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 6:54 pm

Hmmm, an Arrow Air DC-8-63(F) in enroute to SJO, estimated time of arrival is 7:20am local, should I chase it? You bet I will! Expect some recent shots of a classic DC-8 later today!
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 7:20 pm

Thanks again Wings. I had few flights in DC8s but much preferred them to 707s.  praise 
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:36 pm

Quoting Bps3458 (Reply 17):
Silly question but what are those openings in the nose section of the air craft ? Are they air intakes ?

Ram air intakes for cooling the airconditioning packs, I think.
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 11:12 pm

The DC-8 was certainly a major influence on those of us here at ATL in the early days of the jet era.
Both DL and EA had fleets of them and we eventually saw them in PA and NA colors as well.

I have so many fond memories of the 8's.
On the early models the seats were so comfortable and the reading lights were over your shoulder on the corner of your headrest----fresh air nozzles on the seat back in front of you.

Extra large windows (but you sure had to chose your seat carefully or you might get a large section of cabin wall!) were wonderful.

I loved to get a window seat right in front of the leading edge of the wing. The engines were both in plain view right outside. You could look down and to the rear and see all the action of the reversers,etc.
Which brings me to one of my favorite memories of the 8's.

The inboard engines could be reversed in flight and were a VERY effective speed brake and way to loose altitude!

I looked forward to every descent. The roar of those engines with reversers extended was awesome. The pods would jerk and swing in all directions with the forces of the reverse airflow and the forward motion of the aircraft.
Oh, and if you were at a low enough altitude to be in clouds with rain it was even better!

In the old days a walk through the terminal at ATL would never have been complete without the "cry of the DC-8's". Those pneumatic starters on the JT-3D's were so distinctive.
Whenever DL had a push, it was great to hear those cries coming from everywhere as multiple 8's lit their fires.
Oh the memories!

"Wings" thanks again for your good work. It is so nice to see some of these old birds again.

I can still hear those old Pratts singing at take-off.
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 11:19 pm

Thanks Wings for another great post
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RE: McDonnell Douglas DC 8 -- A Tribute By Wings.

Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:57 am

A very nice tribute to a very nice passenger transport aircraft. I always found the DC-8 to be more comfortable than the Boeing 707, although that may reflect the internal seating arrangements of the airlines that I flew. My memories of the DC-8 are especially fond because of their association with some of my first trans-Atlantic jet flights, during summer jaunts in my university student days in the late 1950s and early 1960s. With a student Eurail pass in my pocket and a copy of "Europe on 5 Dollars a Day" in my backpack (how many others here can remember those days?). I am surprised that no one here has yet mentioned one of the DC-8's idiosyncracies - the fact that it was very stiff and heavy on the controls. When I was a USAF officer in the mid-1960s, my next-door neighbor was a test pilot who went on to a career as a commercial airline pilot when he left the air force. He told me several times that the DC-8 was "very stiff" on the yoke. And I believe it is correct that it was deliberately designed that way so that the "feel" of the controls would be similar to the DC-4s and DC-6s that many commercial pilots were transitioning from (please don't flame me if I'm remembering incorrectly; it was a long time ago). In any event, thanks for a nice tribute.

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P.S. When can we look forward to a tribute to the Sud Aviation Caravelle? It surely deserves one. The Caravelle is widely considered to be the first truly successful jet airliner design, opening up short and medium range routes that had previously been served only by piston engine aircraft. And a total of 279 Caravelles were built, with Sud Aviation's break-even point at the 200 mark. The Caravelle was thus the first jetliner design to make a clear profit for its manufacturer, something that wasn't matched again until the 1970s.
 
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RE: McDonnell Douglas DC 8 -- A Tribute By Wings.

Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:07 pm

Well first of all, let me start by thanking everyone for the kind comments. I'm glad to read that you all have enjoyed my latest tribute thread.

I opted to make tribute to the DC-8 as I believe that it is very misunderstood. If we take a closer look into the history of this particular airplane we start to get a better understanding as to all the difficult challenges this airplane had to go through. Had the DC-8 been also chosen for the USAF tanker program, I'm sure that the DC-8 success would have been even more impressive.

Once again thank you all for the kind words. It sure means alot to me. Smile

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RE: McDonnell Douglas DC 8 -- A Tribute By Wings.

Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:31 pm

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
DC-8 Series 62 Long-range version. It had a much more modest stretch of just 2 m (with 1 m plugs fore and aft), the same JT8D-3B engines as the -53 and -61, and a number of modifications to provide greater range.

Minor Errata:
The -62 was type certificated with the -3Bs and the -7s, but the -7Bs were also introduced the stramlined nacelles. The wing of the -62 and the -63 are identical. The inboard leading edge was a fuel tank that added to the range.
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RE: McDonnell Douglas DC 8 -- A Tribute By Wings.

Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:09 pm

Excellent and very interesting work WINGS ! Thanks for taking the time to make these tributes !
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RE: McDonnell Douglas DC 8 -- A Tribute By Wings.

Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:00 pm

Great tribute wings! Realize the Dc8 with a gorilla on the tail I saw at AMS a few months ago must be >33 yrs old. Some more interseting DC8 pics:

DC8 360 cockpit
http://www.dc8.org/photos/images/cockpit360.mov

Wide cockpit picture:
http://www.dc8.org/photos/images/cockpit-wide.jpg

Experiencing the DC8 like no man before.


Saudi DC8 VIP/Hospital ship
http://www.dc8.org/library/unusual/saudi.php

Source:
http://www.dc8.org/
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RE: McDonnell Douglas DC 8 -- A Tribute By Wings.

Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:20 pm

Thank you for a very enjoyable reading WINGS. You ad something quite nice to www.airliners.net. I am a McDonnell Douglas fan, growing up with a father who worked for SAS I was cheering on Donald Douglas's company all the way untill Boeing bought them.

When I see the DC-8 in the third picture, I wonder how it would have looked like if Douglas decided to use the fuselage cross section of the DC-8 to compete with head on against the 737 and the 727. (I know of the DC-9  Wink ) Just look at the number three picture in WINGS 1.post on this thread with 2 powerful CFM56 engines or V2500 engines. IMHO that plane would look much nicer than the 737.
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RE: McDonnell Douglas DC 8 -- A Tribute By Wings.

Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:42 pm

I have never flown on the DC8 although I see them flying or hear them flying over daily. I live on the approach course to 25 at TOL and BAX/ATI DC8's land here every day. It's always nice to see them coming in. The DC8 has been a great workhorse for aviation for passengers in the early days and currently for freight. I regret not flying on one in 1988 from DTW-ORD when I had the chance, I chose the DC10 instead.

I have some close up personal experience from a DC8 disaster as well. I remember waking up at 3:27 am on the morning of February 15, 1992 to a horrific sound that I will never forget. I jumped out of bed and looked out my window only to see a huge flash fireball moving across the field across the street from our house. It was BAX flight 805 and it had gone down in a field about 2 miles north of TOL. All four men onboard were killed.

The aircraft was completely destroyed as it had nose dived into the ground and cartwheeled with the engines being thrown the farthest nearly 1/2 mile from the initial impact. The wreckage which laid there for just over 2 months was under 24 hour rent-a-cop security until the clean up was completed in late April.

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RE: McDonnell Douglas DC 8 -- A Tribute By Wings.

Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:34 pm

Fantastic tribute as usual Wings. We've come to expect this from you now, so you're starting to set the bar at an impossibly high standard  Wink

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RE: McDonnell Douglas DC 8 -- A Tribute By Wings.

Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:35 am

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 13):
Thanks Wings! Great post!



Quoting Aerialportvet (Reply 18):
Great tribute to an awesome aircraft

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Great thread (yet again) Wings..thanks for taking the large amount of time to make the post and the photo links so we can learn and enjoy... Smile

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 22):
Still flying with ATI, but hauling cargo now as a CF

Flying out of SJC every month, I have the good fortunate of seeing one every month.... Smile


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RE: McDonnell Douglas DC 8 -- A Tribute By Wings.

Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:23 am

Quoting Bps3458 (Reply 17):
Silly question but what are those openings in the nose section of the air craft ? Are they air intakes

No such thing as a silly question. Well you are correct they are infact air intake scoops.

What's interesting and most people don't even know is that the very early study for the DC-8 (Skybus) was completly different to what Douglas ended up offering.



If you would like read further into this, just click on the following link.

http://www.dc8.org/library/Skybus/article.php

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RE: McDonnell Douglas DC 8 -- A Tribute By Wings.

Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:41 am

Maybe Discovery Wings should take your tributes and make them into TV programs, so we can have Discovery Wings again. Great work. Thanks. That's one aircraft along with the A340 that i am yet to fly in.
 
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RE: McDonnell Douglas DC 8 -- A Tribute By Wings.

Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:14 am

Great tribute- my DC8 love affair was all cargo with 12 years at Bax Global in Ops Control. We opertated, at various time, up to 16 owned/leased diesel 8's, including 5 -63 and 11 -71's. We also frequently utilized Kalitta and American International DC8's. which were a mix of 50, 60 , and 70 series variants Also had Arrow and most of the ATI fleet in our system at one time another. Have fond memories of this beautiful bird, from cargo hauling capacities, jump seat rides, and near heart attacks from a -63 sliding off an ice covered taxi way in TOL, and 50 series departure that included the cargo door popping open beyond full canopy on departure, and a 50 series that had an aileron cable snap on final approach to TOL one starlight lit autumn evening in TOL. What a great airplane!
 
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RE: McDonnell Douglas DC 8 -- A Tribute By Wings.

Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:29 am

Great tribute as always WINGS! Thanks for your excellent work on these.
 
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RE: McDonnell Douglas DC 8 -- A Tribute By Wings.

Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:40 am

I love the DC8, luckily it is relatively common in Miami, and when I'm at south beach lying in the sand I can always hear when one of the 60 series planes is flying by, those 4 little turbofans make alot of noise. The 70 series planes are probably the most beautiful jet airliners, IMO, but they are very quiet compared to their low-bypass brethren.
 
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RE: McDonnell Douglas DC 8 -- A Tribute By Wings.

Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:02 am

Once again thank you all for the excellent feedback.

Quoting Kamboi (Reply 43):
Maybe Discovery Wings should take your tributes and make them into TV programs, so we can have Discovery Wings again. Great work. Thanks. That's one aircraft along with the A340 that i am yet to fly in.

Well the best chance that you may have, flying on the DC-8 is inside a box.  Smile In regards to the A340, I'm sure that you easily manage to achieve that goal.


Just out of curiosity, would anyone have a source/link as to the real number of DC-8's that are currently in service?

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RE: McDonnell Douglas DC 8 -- A Tribute By Wings.

Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:17 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 47):
Just out of curiosity, would anyone have a source/link as to the real number of DC-8's that are currently in service?

I found this one (numbers for august 2006), but cannot say anything about the reliability of these numbers...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_DC-8#Civilian_Users_of_DC-8

BTW, a huge amount of links (manufacturers, airports, airlines, organisations and others) offers
http://www.physik.uni-wuerzburg.de/~pschirus/aviation/
The page is available in German only.



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RE: McDonnell Douglas DC 8 -- A Tribute By Wings.

Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:19 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 47):
Just out of curiosity, would anyone have a source/link as to the real number of DC-8's that are currently in service?

Hi Wings - see my post 22 (was taken from the latest JP Fleet List).
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