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Major Delta Fleet Redeployment 10/1

Wed Jul 12, 2000 4:20 am

Effective Immediately Oct. 1, 2000 the following changes to Delta's Fleet Deployment:

MD-11 & 767-400ER Service will begin between MCO and ATL as the L-1011s are taken off this route. MCO hasn't seen a scheduled MD-11 in many years. The MD-11 flight is 1964 and the 767-400ER is 908.

Initial 767-400ER Flights:
ATL-MCO, MCO-ATL
ATL-MIA, MIA-ATL
ATL-FLL, FLL-ATL
ATL-TPA, TPA-ATL


The MD-11s are being moved back to more domestic service to hopefully speed-up the retirement of the L-1011 as Boeing cannot build enough aircraft to handle Delta's schedule at this point.

At Farnborough we can expect a lot of things to happen. One will be a massive order for more 777s or 767s as Delta needs them now.
 
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RE: Major Delta Fleet Redeployment 10/1

Wed Jul 12, 2000 4:29 am

One thing that Delta might be seriously looking at if they can't get the 767 fast enough is to buy a whole bunch of 757-300's. Given that Delta has been known to buy 757's in large order batches, if Delta decides to get the 757-300 they could order as many as 50 or more planes in one order.
 
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RE: Major Delta Fleet Redeployment 10/1

Wed Jul 12, 2000 4:35 am

Why would Delta be able to acquire the 757-300 any faster than the 767's ?
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RE: Major Delta Fleet Redeployment 10/1

Wed Jul 12, 2000 4:42 am

Not to say there is a HUGE demand on the 767 line, but the 757 line isn't exactly busy and delivery schedules for the 757 may be more flexible. However, I kinda doubt they would order the -300, but who knows.

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Send Some Our Way

Wed Jul 12, 2000 6:32 am

Send some of those widebodies our way!
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Delta use to have a significant presence at IAH. I use to fly the 757s ATL-IAH and DFW-IAH back in 95-97. Back in the 80s and early 90s we had 767s and L1011s from Delta. Now we only have MD80s, 727s, 737s and a slew of EMB120s and CRJs. Delta only flies HOU-ATL, IAH-ATL, and IAH-SLC. Comair and ASA take the remainder of the flights to DFW and CVG as well as some ATL flights. What's goin on with Delta here at IAH? Competition can't be that fierce.
HOUSTON, TEXAS
 
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RE: Send Some Our Way

Wed Jul 12, 2000 6:48 am

Drerex7, IAH is not a Delta Hub, and usually widebodies are held at the hubs (hence the filtration of smaller cities fly to the hub to fill the widebody). Remember DL serves IAH and HOU in about the same capacity. CO has a very large presence and also DL does not have the aircraft to allocate to a lower fare market. The yield fares and demand are stronger and much needed in other markets.
 
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Tritanic

Wed Jul 12, 2000 6:53 am

I know this already. I don't really want DL widebodies, but DL has scaled back their services here tremendously.
As far as the 757s go-Birmingham and Nashville aren't DL hubs either but they have 757 flights.
DL has a lot of nonhub large aircraft flights. I just want to know why the scaleback in Houston. I already know about the hub and spoke system -- I work for Continental.

Thank's anyway though.
HOUSTON, TEXAS
 
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Tritanic

Wed Jul 12, 2000 6:53 am

I know this already. I don't really want DL widebodies, but DL has scaled back their services here tremendously.
As far as the 757s go-Birmingham and Nashville aren't DL hubs either but they have 757 flights.
DL has a lot of nonhub large aircraft flights. I just want to know why the scaleback in Houston. I already know about the hub and spoke system -- I work for Continental.

Thanks anyway though.
HOUSTON, TEXAS
 
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RE: Tritanic

Wed Jul 12, 2000 7:08 am

Well, the load factors do not demand it, especaily with service at least every two hours between IAH and ATL.....like I said the yield fares are very low, and Delta usually uses these aircrafts for the 689 mile trip.

I see that you brought up BHM......here's an example of a 757 that leaves BHM for first flight.....BHM-ATL-SAN-ATL-BHM for an overnight......Notice how the 757 is used primarily as a long haul for a day....

Here's an example of a IAH fisrt flight..... IAH-ATL-SDF-ATL-BWI-DFW....

Delta does the same for a small city like SAV...in which the 757 flies that very short first leg than ends up in SAN or LAX.....

Most of the reason is because of CREW allocation and rest. One crew can fly that whole list starting from IAH based on their legal time, but when you include Long Haul flights they usually will start a short hop before going coast to coast.
 
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RE: Major Delta Fleet Redeployment 10/1

Wed Jul 12, 2000 7:27 am

I have spent two days spotting in Atlanta this week on my holiday, and I noticed that the Tristar has already been withdrawn from many routes, I think there are only 10 to 12 active now.
I was scheduled to fly a DL Tristar on 4 July to Fort Lauderdale, but because of the holiday they changed the 11.50 AM flight to a MD-88. After I explained that I had especially booked this part of my trip as my farewell tribute to the (DL) Tristar, luckily, they wanted to change my ticket to the 5.25 PM flight which still was a Tristar (therefore my day at ATL). It was a wonderful flight in an endangered kind of aircraft.
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RE: Major Delta Fleet Redeployment 10/1

Wed Jul 12, 2000 11:32 am

Delta has a lot of 767-200's that will soon need to
be replaced and the 757-300 is a logical solution.
Many if not all of the DL 767-200's are used on
domestic, short-haul routes, they date back to
1981 or 1982.

As for Delta's presence in Houston, this is a
Continental fortress hub (Intercontinental),
with 552 daily departures including Co EX,
and Delta has a sizeable presence at DFW.
I don't see the logic of them expanding at
Houston, nor do I believe they will do this.

ContinentalEWR
 
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RE: Major Delta Fleet Redeployment 10/1

Thu Jul 13, 2000 1:29 am

Just wanted to back up tritanic withi his statement about load factors on atl-houston being low. i know for a fact that they are very low, and rarely bring in full loads. they need to decrease service to about a total of 6 flights daily...

I hope delta orders more 777s, and eventually fly them to japan, from atlanta, and to china from jfk,cvg if they ever get the routes. Also i hope they start flying the 764s to lax and sfo from atlanta. Sad to see the tristars go though
 
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RE: Major Delta Fleet Redeployment 10/1

Thu Jul 13, 2000 1:49 am

Very sad indeed to see the Tri Stars go. Whoever suggests ordering 757-300s to replace 762s...please no! A widebody is far more comfortable than a 75...but of course...if economics warrant, the 753 might be better. Does anybody know the fuel efficiency difference between the 2?

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