Airbus 350 XWB Press Briefing...

jdevora · Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:57 pm

Hi

From Airbus 350XWB press release:

Quote:
Note to Editors

Airbus will hold a press briefing at the Méridien (Etoile) hotel in Paris on Monday December 4th at 11h00.

The press briefing will also be streamed on www.airbus.com

Broadcasters can downlink audio and video from:

Date: 04th December 2006
Time: from 09.00 to 12.00 GMT
Satellite: AB2
Transpondeur: F11
Channel: C
Downlink frequency: 12718.5 en X
Symbol rate: 5.632
FEC: 3/4

Even than I'm very curious about watch it live, it is going to be impossible for me at that time.

I'm wondering if those press briefings get recorded somewhere for wach it defered.

If not, could someone record the audio and leave somewhere for listen to it later on?.

Thanks in advance.

JD Evora

Thorben · Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:20 pm

For me it is enough to read the summary in the press.

hb88 · Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:00 pm

I think you'll find it available on the airbus website afterwards.

mauriceb · Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:04 pm

Quoting Jdevora (Thread starter):
Even than I'm very curious about watch it live, it is going to be impossible for me at that time.

Maybe you won't have to miss it, knowing Airbus, there is a big chance that the press-conference will be delayed.

duck

TinkerBelle · Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:23 pm

Quoting Mauriceb (Reply 3):
Maybe you won't have to miss it, knowing Airbus, there is a big chance that the press-conference will be delayed.

That was a low blow.

FL370 · Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:28 am

hahahaha!! that was good Mauriceb.

i wouldn't be surprised if it was delayed!!!

fl370

Stitch · Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:31 am

I hope we get some configuration and dimensional data. I don't expect OEWs or MEWs, but MTOW would be nice to know along with an actual cabin length and width.

billreid · Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:14 am

I hear it wil be overweight.

flydreamliner · Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:51 am

Quoting BillReid (Reply 7):
I hear it wil be overweight.

They all are when they're new.

Motorhussy · Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:16 am

Quoting Jdevora (Thread starter):
Broadcasters can downlink audio and video from:

Provided there have been no wiring issues.

cheeky

glideslope · Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:18 am

Quoting Mauriceb (Reply 3):
Maybe you won't have to miss it, knowing Airbus, there is a big chance that the press-conference will be delayed.

Due to last minute wiring problems...... checkeredflag

trex8 · Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:56 am

nah, the wiring has been sorted out, but there may be some software interface problems!

fridgmus · Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:41 pm

Yowww! The knife is sharp today!!!

scouseflyer · Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:02 pm

Conf underway - will post exciting points.

Started on time!

scouseflyer · Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:12 pm

- Thanked shareholders for supporting long term investment that is important for future of the company
- XWB will be most effiecient and most environmentally friendly plane ever
- 60% advanced materials
- EIS 2013
- RR will be the first engine supplier
- family of -800, -900 and -1000
- very gratefull to existing customers for their patience
- Power 8 must happen
- 50% will be outsourced
- will place some of this work in US $ countries to insulate against $ weakness
- Cost will be between €10 and €12 billion

That was Louis Gallois more to follow

n1786b · Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:16 pm

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 14):
Cost will be between €10 and €12 billion

Wow - that is new! Most previous estimates were up to €10 billion.

- n1786b

scouseflyer · Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:29 pm

- Currently no launch aid aggreed
- A380 nearly certified
- A320 NSR to come along in a decades time

JL now:

- "Frozen industrial launch"
- spec as publicised in summer (wider than A330, 787)
- launching -800, -900 and -1000 (fuel burn 25% lower that 777 but with 15 less seats
- Engines have common core accross all versions

Tom Wenders(?)

- Looked at all sections of the plane and assessed what materials are best for each optimising weight, strength, and cost
- "shell" approach for fuse with 4 shells being attached together to make tubes of up to 16m long. Each shell can be made from material most suitable
- frames in Al, skin is CF
- 14% lighter per seat that 777 (787 is 12% lighter)
- 64m wing-span
- 3degrees extra sweep - allows higher speed (0.85Mach)
- Will have bleed-air
- A380 cockpit technology
- Very quiet - stage 3 - 20 db (whatever that means!)

scouseflyer · Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:31 pm

Quoting N1786b (Reply 15):
Wow - that is new! Most previous estimates were up to €10 billion.

we'll need to sheck that as Louis was a little confusing around this point - he mentioned a €1.5 cost that will be a benefit for the whole company not just the project - it wasn't clear if that was in the €10B or extra.

shamrock350 · Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:33 pm

The new cabin looks interesting, 4 inches wider than the 787 at eye level and it's will be the quietest cabin in the air.

baroque · Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:40 pm

As the gentleman in the helmet used to say in Laugh In, very interesting.

Now we need a set of instructions on how the fuselage is going to be built. Is there a "Lightsaber or a WBP of the fuselages" around?

Retreats behind aspidistra.

scouseflyer · Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:41 pm

Back to JL
- interior wider than a 747 (apparantly)
- big bins
- 9 or 8 accross
- biggest windows of any plane on the market
- Quietest cabin in the sky
- range from Paris - anywhere in N or S America, Africa, Singapore + SE Asia
- weight 2% per seat lower than 787, cost 6% lower per seat and overall cost 8% lower per seat - lower maintenance
- Designed the -1000 to compete with the 773ER
- Uses 25% less fuel than the 773ER with a longer range
- 900 - mid 2013 (JL knows it's late but worth the wait)
- 800 - mid 2014
- 1000 - 2015

R and F to follow later

- Taking orders from today
- A330 sold out till 2010
- A340 sold out till end of 2008

- reckon that there's a market of 5700 over the next 20 years

brendows · Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:47 pm

Some corrections Smile

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 20):
- biggest windows of any plane on the market

The widest windows IIRC, he didn't say the biggest.

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 20):
- 1000 - 2015

Mid 2015.

LH said during the briefing that the A350 would have the widest seats, but that's not true compared to 9 abreast on the 777... (Leahy was also asked by a journalist about that statement now.)

RichardPrice · Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:57 pm

CFRP wing confirmed as well.

scouseflyer · Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:01 pm

Questions now

- In discussions with GE for a 87Klb engine
- expects to lose a couple of customers for the XNB but not many - will renogiate soon
- There is a sales target but JL won't say what it is.
- Currently in discussions with 10 tier 1 risk-sharing partners, will aim to allocate work packages within 4 to 5 months
- Production location has not been decided as of yet
- -900 is $215 million list
- 102 firm orders for the XNB
- 5% risk-sharing with China re-confirmed
- Russia / S Korea still in negotiation

No orders announced / confirmed as of yet

scouseflyer · Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:02 pm

Quoting Brendows (Reply 21):
The widest windows IIRC, he didn't say the biggest.

oops

PanAm_DC10 · Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:02 pm

Mr Leahy

102 legally binding contracts for the model from 10 customers

Some existing customers may cancel

List price is US$215m

Regards, PanAm_DC10

autothrust · Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:03 pm

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 20):
Back to JL
- interior wider than a 747 (apparantly)
- big bins
- 9 or 8 accross
- biggest windows of any plane on the market
- Quietest cabin in the sky
- range from Paris - anywhere in N or S America, Africa, Singapore + SE Asia
- weight 2% per seat lower than 787, cost 6% lower per seat and overall cost 8% lower per seat - lower maintenance
- Designed the -1000 to compete with the 773ER
- Uses 25% less fuel than the 773ER with a longer range
- 900 - mid 2013 (JL knows it's late but worth the wait)
- 800 - mid 2014
- 1000 - 2015

Wow, awesome hope they will archieve it what they promise. 25% more efficient then a 777 thats huge.

LH said the A350XBW looks very compromising, however i think they will order the 787 (as A300 replacement)next year.

BTW: Thanks for updating Scouseflyer, have problems with my mediaplayer.

PADSpot · Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:10 pm

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 20):
- interior wider than a 747 (apparantly)
[...]
- 9 or 8 accross

There are 747s around which seat 10 abreast, right? How can it be wider then?

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 20):
- A330 sold out till 2010
- A340 sold out till end of 2008

They share the same assembly line. Would be interesting to know what exactly the limiting factor is for A330s??

So, how many A330s orders can they accept from now on until the A330/A340 line is shut down for production change-over? I guess 120-150 A330 for 2011-2013? And maybe up to 100 A340s from 2008-2013, depending on how much market share is left to Airbus by the B773ER and B777LR?

Will there be any A340s produced between 2013 and 2015? The entire assembly line mightl be switched to the A350, with no space left for A340s?!

RichardPrice · Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:14 pm

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 27):

They share the same assembly line. Would be interesting to know what exactly the limiting factor is for A330s??

Theres a seperate area for A340 assembly, its not all on the same line.

scouseflyer · Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:14 pm

Going a bit off-track now:
- NSR launch dependant on a new engine that is a big step forwards
- A320 going to 36 ppm and is sold out until end of 2009.

- A380 still on track, no more cancellations at the moment (Still possible though) Certification 13-15 Dec, MSN007 extensive flying next year (is that the non-RR one?

scouseflyer · Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:18 pm

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 27):
So, how many A330s orders can they accept from now on until the A330/A340 line is shut down for production change-over?

I expect that the 330 and 350 will not share the same line. The 330 will at least live on as the F

PADSpot · Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:24 pm

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 30):
The 330 will at least live on as the F

That's an argument which I didn't think of. That line could then produce A340s between 2013 and 2015.

cpairDC10 · Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:26 pm

With all these cost advantages apparently over the 787 are we likely to see production take place in china ???? as no place has been decieded or have I miss read.....

Oykie · Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:26 pm

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 30):
I expect that the 330 and 350 will not share the same line. The 330 will at least live on as the F

Would it not be beneficial for Airbus to develop a more modern assembly line for the A350 like the moving lines at Boeing? And then implement the A330/A340 production onto this site? At one stage Airbus said it would be beneficial for the company that they could manufacture the A350 at the same place as the A330/A340.

gbfra · Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:28 pm

No official decision has been made on the assembly yet but Toulouse shouldn't be a bad guess.

columba · Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:31 pm

Quoting AutoThrust (Reply 26):
LH said the A350XBW looks very compromising, however i think they will order the 787 (as A300 replacement)next year.

I say joint order Wink

columba · Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:34 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 25):
Some existing customers may cancel

Hope it is not an option for US Airways !!

leelaw · Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:35 pm

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 29):
MSN007 extensive flying next year (is that the non-RR one?

AFAIK, there are still RRs on the wings. However, prior to the second and third major program delays there was a plan to re-engine this aircraft to GP power to assist with certification of the GP-variant once route-proving of the RR-variant was complete (Airbus was unable to use MSN007 for RR-variant route-proving as originally planned), it sounds like re-engining to assist with GP certification may still be part of plan.

leelaw · Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:53 pm

scouseflyer · Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:00 pm

I wonder when we'll see the forst sale - I was expecting something today actually - is that normal for a launch briefing?

brendows · Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:06 pm

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 16):
- A380 cockpit technology

It seems like they are deriving many of the systems from the A380, something that makes we wonder what the brake down of the €10-12 billion will be.

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 20):
- Uses 25% less fuel than the 773ER with a longer range

But they quoted the 77W with a shorter range that it actually has... (though, the difference weren't that big.)

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 16):
- Engines have common core accross all versions

They said that the engine on the A358 would be a derate of the engine on the A359, but that the engine on the A350-1000 would need a tech upgrade. Would that mean something like what GE did to the GE90-115, or what? Anyway, if they use the same engine (core) on the A358 and A350-1000, the engines on the former will carry a lot of extra weight for thrust that it won't use...

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 16):
- Currently no launch aid aggreed

A journalist asked about what happened to the loans Airbus received to develop the first A350, but I didn't hear what the Airbus representatives answered, did you Scouseflyer?

PM · Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:06 pm

Is it just me or has today been a bit of an anti-climax? I was rather hoping for some eye-catching orders. Nothing.

gbfra · Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:20 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 41):

Quoting PM (Reply 41):
A journalist asked about what happened to the loans Airbus received to develop the first A350, but I didn't hear what the Airbus representatives answered, did you Scouseflyer?

No, Airbus has not received any government loans for the A350 yet. About two years ago the governments said that they would support the A350 but nothing has happened. The journalist referred to this announcement.

Gallois response was that no scheme for government money exists for the moment. He said that a settlement of the WTO conflict is a precondition for government money in the future, IF they will be in need of.

[Edited 2006-12-04 13:21:51]

brendows · Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:28 pm

Quoting Gbfra (Reply 42):
No, Airbus has not received any government loans for the A350 yet. About two years ago the governments said that they would support the A350 but nothing has happened. The journalist referred to this announcement.

Thanks for answering my question Smile

Revelation · Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:36 pm

Quoting Gbfra (Reply 42):
Gallois response was that no scheme for government money exists for the moment. He said that a settlement of the WTO conflict is a precondition for government money in the future, IF they will be in need of.

If this is an accurate quote, I think this is the most newsworthy part of the press conference. From what I recall, Airbus has yet to admit that the WTO conflict would impact them at all.

scbriml · Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:37 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 41):
Is it just me or has today been a bit of an anti-climax? I was rather hoping for some eye-catching orders. Nothing.

Given the route that was taken to arrive where we are today, it's not too surprising.

I expect some orders to be firmed up in the next few months (QR, SQ) and hopefully some new orders will start to come in next year.

mauriceb · Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:47 pm

Quoting AutoThrust (Reply 26):
Wow, awesome hope they will archieve it what they promise. 25% more efficient then a 777 thats huge

how much better is the 777 compared to the DC-10? i mean c'mon, the 777 is nearly launched 20 years earlier then the A350. But hey, this is how Airbus likes to play the game.

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 45):
I expect some orders to be firmed up in the next few months (QR, SQ) and hopefully some new orders will start to come in next year.

Yeah, so they can replace the 787's they have on order, since they will be about 20 years old by the time the A350 enters service (i forsee more delay's duck

)

scbriml · Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:58 pm

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 46):
i mean c'mon, the 777 is nearly launched 20 years earlier then the A350.

They were comparing the A350-1000 and the 777-300ER. The -300ER was only certificated in 2004, so it's hardly a 20-year old design is it? wink

mauriceb · Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:00 pm

Quote:
They were comparing the A350-1000 and the 777-300ER. The -300ER was only certificated in 2004, so it's hardly a 20-year old design is it?

Well i only wrote 777... anyway, its still 11,5 years of a difference....

bringiton · Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:02 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 47):
so it's hardly a 20-year old design is it?

It would be around a 10 year old design by the time the -1000 flies and would be based on a design which is even older (90's design) . Even regardless of the fact the Leap is quite evident considering that there would be quite significant weight savings through CFRP and other non metal usage , a narrower fues. etc etc , The new engines would also add to the punch !! I dont think anyone seriously doubts the argument that the -1000XWB would be cheaper by quite a healthy margin to operate over the 777 however the difference should come down significantly if you go with a 10 abreast 77W- ,

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