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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 6:36 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 99):
Fortunately we only have to wait until tomorrow to see if the LH deal is done - assuming that LH makes the announcement soon after the Board meeting.

For those of us in the US we'll know when we wake up. I'm going to keep my Blackberry on my nightstand and toggle for Boeing news tomorrow when I wake up.
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 6:40 am

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 96):
Nobody can find the pony in the manure pile like you can.

 rotfl  BoomBoom, aren't you the guy that once quoted Shakesphere? One more quote like that and I will have to put you on my respected user list, along with all the other 40+ year old jokers. Geez, pony in the manure pile?? I think I might not stop laughing.
 
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 6:40 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 97):
Rumor has it that LH has decided to go with the 787 (not sure which version) but if true I would think that an announcement will probably come early next month.

Could this even be a launch order for the 787-10?
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 6:41 am

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 92):
Just got off the phone with my wife who, as some of you know, works for them here in New York. Apparently there is confirmation that they have become the launch customer for the new 747 pax version.

Well thats a reliable source ,I´ll say my brother that he enters on LH intranet I´ll inform you If there´s also a confirmation.
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 6:44 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 102):
Could this even be a launch order for the 787-10?

I don´t think , LH will wait until A presents a them the 350XWB .
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 6:47 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 102):
Could this even be a launch order for the 787-10?

Yeah I don't think they'll make an announcement on teh 787 vs A350 until next month. I do personally think they'll order teh 787-10 and they'll be the launch customerr for the plane. I think next year there'll be a lot of 787-10 orders.
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 6:50 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 95):
So, shall we expect a press release from Boeing tommorow?

No, they´ve to wait until LH Board gives the go on , this will be on Wednesday.
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 6:51 am

BTW, the headline on The Wall Street Journal sounds extremely confident: "Lufthansa to Order 20 Being 747s."
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 6:54 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 106):
No, they´ve to wait until LH Board gives the go on , this will be on Wednesday.

Given the time difference between Germany and Seattle, Boeing can still get a press release out after LH's Board has made a decision and they've (LH) announced it.
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 6:56 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 108):
Given the time difference between Germany and Seattle, Boeing can still get a press release out after LH's Board has made a decision and they've (LH) announced it.

Oh you´re right , I thought it was monday
 Yeah sure  Wink
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 6:57 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 109):
Oh you´re right , I thought it was monday

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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:00 am

Here's a good article from Bloomberg about the pending order.:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...=conews&tkr=BA:US&sid=aoLNBd8obZSM
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:05 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 107):
the headline on The Wall Street Journal sounds extremely confident: "Lufthansa to Order 20 Being 747s."

BusinessWeek too !

If this pans out. Then we have just witnessed Boeing taking another piece of the pie !


http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/...=top+news_top+news+index_top+story

Boeing Scores a Jumbo Coup

Lufthansa plans to order Boeing's new stretch version of the 747, in a decision that deals a severe blow to rival giant-plane maker Airbus
by Stanley Holmes


Lufthansa, Germany's largest airline and one of Airbus' biggest customers, is expected to announce Wednesday a firm order for 20 of Boeing's new 747-8 passenger airplanes and 20 options---thus ensuring another two decades of passenger service for the iconic jumbo jet known as the "Queen of the Skies."
 
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:05 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 110):
God forbid. I live for Friday afternoon rolling around!

Here we´ve now 5 days free  Silly This vacation comes at the right time I must say Big grin
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:09 am

True enough!!!! I need a vacation!

So with this order of 20 plus the 3 748I VIP plus the 49 748F, Boeing would have booked 72 748 orders this year. That is assuming that the LH order is a firm order that will be booked. That''s not bad. Plus add in the rumored AirBridge Cargo order and it is possible that they could have 80 748 frames on order by early next year. Not bad for a 40 year old design.

[Edited 2006-12-05 23:14:55]
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:16 am

Quote:
"This is as good as it's going to get," says Teal Co. aerospace analyst Richard Aboulafia. "Boeing was able to get a European based, dedicated Airbus customer to be the first to endorse its new 747 passenger version. It's a blow to the Airbus A380."

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/...=top+news_top+news+index_top+story

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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:17 am

Anyone knows or dare to guess when the B748 will be delivered to LH?
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:17 am

Dec. 5 (Bloomberg) -- Deutsche Lufthansa AG, Europe's second-biggest airline, plans to buy about 20 Boeing Co. 747-8 planes worth $5 billion at list prices, a setback to Airbus SAS, people familiar with the order said.

I'm not sure how this order (if it occurs) would be setback for Airbus. LH has already committed to the A380, and it's not like Airbus has a plane that competes with the 748.

I guess my question is: What airplanes is LH deciding between? The 748 vs. ??? (more A380s? more A346s? 773s?).

I agree with others who believe that this is not a zero sum game (i.e. Boeing wins, Airbus loses). It seems like both manufacturers have products competing in unique markets (vis a vis the A380 vs the 748).
 
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:21 am

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 115):
It's a blow to the Airbus A380

This analyst is stupid or he don´t knows what he´s saying .

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 114):
Boeing would have booked 72 748 orders this year.

Much more than Airbus with the 380

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 114):
Not bad for a 40 year old design.

With new wings , engines , etc.
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:24 am

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 117):
I'm not sure how this order (if it occurs) would be setback for Airbus. LH has already committed to the A380, and it's not like Airbus has a plane that competes with the 748.

Thats it!

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 117):
guess my question is: What airplanes is LH deciding between?

773 or 748

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 117):
I agree with others who believe that this is not a zero sum game (i.e. Boeing wins, Airbus loses). It seems like both manufacturers have products competing in unique markets (vis a vis the A380 vs the 748).

The 748 has 100 less seats than the 380 so it´s a different market.
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:25 am

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 116):
Anyone knows or dare to guess when the B748 will be delivered to LH?

2009 ?
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:25 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 102):
Could this even be a launch order for the 787-10?

Doubtful... that won't be for some time. Like has been mentioned, customers will wait for Airbus to present the A350-Rev. 27 before deciding to order the 7810.  duck 
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:27 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 120):
Quoting Alessandro (Reply 116):
Anyone knows or dare to guess when the B748 will be delivered to LH?


2009 ?

I think Boeing is targeting a 2010 748I EIS.
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:29 am

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 117):
I'm not sure how this order (if it occurs) would be setback for Airbus. LH has already committed to the A380, and it's not like Airbus has a plane that competes with the 748.

The 748 is a plane of a lower seating capacity indeed, filling in the gap LH obviously will have in their fleet between the A340s and the A380s.

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 117):
What airplanes is LH deciding between? The 748 vs. ??? (more A380s? more A346s? 773s?).

I thought it was either 748i or 773ER and it sounds as if LH will take the 748i, which makes sense, since i gives them more flexibility than if they were to go for the 773 (imagine a fleet of A340/773/A380 vs A340/748/A380, which would you rather have to from a capacity point of view?) and leaves the field open for the A340 replacement by either the A350 or 787-10, something the 773ER would actually come to spoil. It simply wouldn't make sense to order the 773ER this late if you are about to commit to its successor almost simultaneously.
 
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:31 am

Sorry to disturb you but a LH spokeswoman just said that NO decision on the B748 has been met to this day.
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:36 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 118):
This analyst is stupid or he don�t knows what he�s saying .

Isn't it obvious?

The more B748 Intercontinentals, the fewer A380 options LH will need.
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:37 am

LHStarAll, Cargolux will take delivery in 2009 of their cargo B748s if all goes according to plan. So I doubt that, 2010 perhaps?
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:42 am

Quoting Gbfra (Reply 124):
Sorry to disturb you but a LH spokeswoman just said that NO decision on the B748 has been met to this day.

Well of course the spokesperson will say that, they will say it until they are told by the board to say otherwise. This is a big day for Boeing. I was in FRA on Sunday morning flying LH and loved how many 744's there were around, and was hoping that someday they would have the 748. Who knew my wish would come true so quickly. This is an early Christmas for Boeing.
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:47 am

Quoting Eatmybologna (Reply 125):
The more B748 Intercontinentals, the fewer A380 options LH will need.

No because , the 748 will be used as a gap-filler between the 346 and the 380 .
And has nothing to do with the 380 .
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:49 am

Seems like every Boeing order is translated into a major blow against Airbus these days according to Richard A. and J. Wallace

http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-...+Aboulafia+blow+airbus&sa=N&tab=nw

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...es+wallace+blow+airbus&btnG=Search

Who pays those guys  biggrin 

Well Boeing better get that 747-8i order tommorow  scared  or we will have a really aggressive admoshere here.  Wink
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:50 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 12):
However, Boeing probably needs something closer to 20 frames just to give the 748I a firm "push" into the marketplace and try and shake loose some more orders.

Sure, but that is not the problem for LH.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 12):
An extra 5% off or so could be enough to sweeten the deal,

As I said: The launch customer is always tipped. In one way oder another ...
 
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:51 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 127):
Well of course the spokesperson will say that, they will say it until they are told by the board to say otherwise.

Could very well be so indeed...

the other plausible option is that... well, LH are indeed not going to order tomorrow as Mr Carl Siegel -LH board member- has also said just this weekend in an interview with Germany's leading business newspaper.
 
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:51 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 128):
the 748 will be used as a gap-filler between the 346 and the 380 .
And has nothing to do with the 380 .

So much for the idea of "abusing' the A380.
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:57 am

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 116):
Anyone knows or dare to guess when the B748 will be delivered to LH?

Most likely mid 2010 or the second half of 2010.
 
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:02 am

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 71):
Unless of course the board meeting tomorrow also gives the green light to some other purchases, in which case the lack of strong rumours in the latest stream of reports on other Boeing products like the 787 or 777 might mean LH will not go for these: A350s look very likely in that case.

Unsubstantiated leaks from within LH have noted the 787 won the latest RFP against the A350, so depending on how the A350XWBCFRP is received...

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 99):
If LH does order the 748i I don't, however, see a rush to order from other airlines.

I don't see a rush, either, but it does give credence to the view that the 748I can serve as a "gap filler" - a view I admittedly have not shared and may have to revise.
 
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:04 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 129):
Seems like every Boeing order is translated into a major blow against Airbus these days according to Richard A. and J. Wallace

It's not just them, pretty much every story I've seen so far frames it as a blow to Airbus:

Quote:
In a major boost for Boeing Co. at the expense of its European rival, longtime Airbus customer Deutsche Lufthansa AG could announce as soon as Wednesday that it will be the first to order the passenger version of Boeing's updated 747 jumbo jet.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB116533937626741258.html

Quote:
Lufthansa plans to order Boeing's new stretch version of the 747, in a decision that deals a severe blow to rival giant-plane maker Airbus

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/...tent/dec2006/db20061205_628913.htm

Quote:
Deutsche Lufthansa AG, Europe's second-biggest airline, plans to buy about 20 Boeing Co. 747-8 planes worth $5 billion at list prices, a setback to Airbus SAS, people familiar with the order said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...=conews&tkr=BA:US&sid=aoLNBd8obZSM

Does anyone have any links to stories from the European media? I'm curious to see if they frame it that way as well.
 
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:07 am

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 130):
Quoting Stitch (Reply 12):
An extra 5% off or so could be enough to sweeten the deal,

As I said: The launch customer is always tipped. In one way oder another ...

Boeing is not been able to sell the 747-500/600,400ERX/-adv/8i/8i stretched for many years and is under thread to loose the 350+ market completely.

Now there is an opportunity to finally sell it to a major flagcarrier and .. Boeing gives a wooping 5% discount (?)

Lets lets make that ..% well you got the picture.
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:08 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 129):
Seems like every Boeing order is translated into a major blow against Airbus these days according to Richard A. and J. Wallace...



Quoting Bbobbo (Reply 135):
It's not just them, pretty much every story I've seen so far frames it as a blow to Airbus...

I wonder if they're all basing their stories off the same original report copy and that language was used there?
 
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:09 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 137):
Boeing is not been able to sell the 747-500/600,400ERX/-adv/8i/8i stretched for many years and is under thread to loose the 350+ market completely.

Now there is an opportunity to finally sell it to a major flagcarrier and .. Boeing gives a wooping 5% discount (?)

Lets make that ..%, well you got the picture.

upset that LH may order Boeing's are ya?
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:11 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 137):
Boeing is not been able to sell the 747-500/600,400ERX/-adv/8i/8i stretched for many years and is under thread to loose the 350+ market completely.

Now there is an opportunity to finally sell it to a major flagcarrier and .. Boeing gives a wooping 5% discount (?)

Lets make that ..%, well you got the picture.

Notice I said "an extra 5%".  Wink

I am sure Boeing didn't charge LH anything close to list for these birds.
 
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:17 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 128):
No because , the 748 will be used as a gap-filler between the 346 and the 380 .
And has nothing to do with the 380 .

OK. I respect your opinion. But isn't that all it really is? Are you privy to LH's boardroom strategy? Do you know for sure that acquiring 748is have no impact on additional A380s?

Maybe LH is comfortable with a capacity amount right in between what the jumbo and super jumbo can provide. So they acquire both types to better optimize their use.
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:21 am

Let's not forget that LH also wants to expand, and there are airports where it's financially not possible to upgrade them to handle an A380, while it can be served with an aircraft up to the size of the 747-8I.
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:26 am

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 92):
This puts and end to the "single manufacturer" talk that some have be espousing lately. What was also reported is that the 787 did in fact win the internal LH RFP, but nothing further then that. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Well, you can count me as one who thought that the chances of Lufthansa buying a Boeing of any sort were about as large as the chances of Southwest buying the A380. If the rumors are true (and if they're in the Wall Street Journal, they likely are), I will be more than happy to admit that I was completely wrong.

What I also find to be interesting is the comment about the 787 winning the internal RFP at Lufthansa. It wouldn't surprise me if Boeing had offered favorable 787 slots to LH, along with launch customer pricing on the 747-8I (and/or -8F models for LH Cargo) as a package deal to LH Group.

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 71):
To some journalists in the states, every Boeing order is a blow to Airbus (and vice versa); reality is the 747-8 is a whole category (almost 100 seats) smaller than the A388 and that as such both planes could very well operate alongside each other.

Well, to some degree, it is a blow to Airbus in that since the launch of the A380, they have had the market for passenger airliners larger than the 747-400 all to themselves. Yes, the 747-8I is significantly smaller than the A380-800, but in the absence of the 747-8I in the market, an operator like LH would have likely ordered a mix of A388 and A346 (or 773ER) instead. Some have suggested that "misusing" A388's on 748I-sized markets might be favorable to some operators. And each order for the 748I makes it that much more difficult for the A380 program to ultimately reach break-even.

I don't think, in this case, that it is a case of "wave-the-flag" or "root-for-the-home-team" journalism; rather, it is pretty clear that follow-on orders from blue chip customers like Lufthansa are important for the health of the A380 program, and an order for the 748I from LH makes a substantial follow-on A380 order significantly less likely in the next few years.
 
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:27 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 138):
Quoting Keesje (Reply 129):
Seems like every Boeing order is translated into a major blow against Airbus these days according to Richard A. and J. Wallace...

Quoting Bbobbo (Reply 135):
It's not just them, pretty much every story I've seen so far frames it as a blow to Airbus...

I wonder if they're all basing their stories off the same original report copy and that language was used there?

If you read all the articles it sure looks like they have been re-written by their authors all with the same original in front of them, something which is not that exceptional really as I have seen it many times before. Unless of course all of them accidentally are so frustrated with the A380 they want to stretch reality a bit and turn this into a 748 vs A380 battle whereas the decision actually is/was between 748I and 773ER for LH, best proof indeed the 748 is a good gap-filler between A340 and A380 like I've always believed it is and I'd love to be able to fly 747s for many decades to go!
 
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:28 am

Quoting Bbobbo (Reply 135):
It's not just them, pretty much every story I've seen so far frames it as a blow to Airbus:

How else would you categorize this? Airbus is undoubtedly beating the bushes trying to add to an A380 order book that has been relatively static for some time. An add-on order from LH, one of Airbus' best customers, would have been a real tonic for the whole A380 program. Instead, Airbus will see Boeing get exactly what was needed for the 748i program: a substantial launch order from a prestigious, tier 1 international carrier. All of a sudden, the 748i will have a whole new degree of credibility which might possibly draw orders away from carriers that may have been considering A380.

Hardly a caveat from the Airbus point of view.

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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:31 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 140):
I am sure Boeing didn't charge LH anything close to list for these birds.

And they wouldn't need too. I'm sure they made money on them and since the -8F is selling quite well. Plus this will bring in other carriers to finally make their decision about the -8i.

This is all up and up for Boeing.
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:37 am

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 117):

I agree with others who believe that this is not a zero sum game (i.e. Boeing wins, Airbus loses). It seems like both manufacturers have products competing in unique markets (vis a vis the A380 vs the 748).

I don't believe that it is a perfect zero sum game either, but there is a limit to how many 400+ seat airliners that airlines can fill. I don't think that it's unreasonable to view an order for A as potential B not ordered, and vice versa. This generally only applies to VLA aircraft, which have a more limited market than other size aircraft.

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 123):
(imagine a fleet of A340/773/A380 vs A340/748/A380, which would you rather have to from a capacity point of view?)

If the 773 is a better moneymaker than the 748, I'd rather have that.
 
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:41 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 143):
I don't think, in this case, that it is a case of "wave-the-flag" or "root-for-the-home-team" journalism; rather, it is pretty clear that follow-on orders from blue chip customers like Lufthansa are important for the health of the A380 program, and an order for the 748I from LH makes a substantial follow-on A380 order significantly less likely in the next few years.

I tend to agree with you. People are citing that the A380 and the 747-8I are in different classes, so they don't really compete with each other. It's true, they may not be perfect substitutes for each other, but they need not be in order to affect each other's markets. For example, Linux and Windows are imperfect substitutes, yet one certainly affects demand for the other.
 
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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:48 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 143):
Well, you can count me as one who thought that the chances of Lufthansa buying a Boeing of any sort were about as large as the chances of Southwest buying the A380. If the rumors are true (and if they're in the Wall Street Journal, they likely are), I will be more than happy to admit that I was completely wrong

Why did you ever believe LH would only buy Airbus? Have they ever publicly said so?

It really is one of those rigid ideas living mainly with US members of this forum that just because LH is German, and Airbus is so too (partially at least), that they would only buy from their domestic manufacturer.

Europe really doesn't work like that: We are used to flying foreign metal (or plastic for the matter) and contrary to the US this doesn't cause much commotion.

I've been to the States many times and the degree of patriotism as in 'buy American' you often see in the USA, simply is non-existent in the EU, incredibly as it may sound to some.

Contrary to Boeing which has many US and Japanese airlines which will not even bother to ask Airbus for a price quote, Airbus does not have the luxury of having some guaranteed customers for their products.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 143):
Well, to some degree, it is a blow to Airbus in that since the launch of the A380, they have had the market for passenger airliners larger than the 747-400 all to themselves. Yes, the 747-8I is significantly smaller than the A380-800, but in the absence of the 747-8I in the market, an operator like LH would have likely ordered a mix of A388 and A346 (or 773ER) instead.

That's true, but I don't think Airbus ever planned on having the emerging VLA market segment entirely to themselves, it was Boeing who decided it was not worth the effort at first...

Quoting ScottB (Reply 143):
It is pretty clear that follow-on orders from blue chip customers like Lufthansa are important for the health of the A380 program and an order for the 748I from LH makes a substantial follow-on A380 order significantly less likely in the next few years.

That would be the case if the decision would have been between more A380s or 748s. However, as far as I understood it, the contest was between 773ER and 748i, so I don't think a decision on this part of LH's long haul fleet renewal/expansion plan will have any influence on a separate decision about exercising (some) of the options on A380s LH hold, because those options are meant to cover expansion in a different field.

Anyway, all this is purely speculative: it might be worth to see WHAT LH's board will order tomorrow IF they order anything indeed, because as far as I can remember there was a thread here a few weeks back saying LH would announce their entire long haul renewal/expansion package early December and it would be a split order. (anybody knows which topic I am talking about?)

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RE: LH Tipped To Launch Pax 747-8

Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:54 am

If news of LH's order of the 747 Intercontinental is accurate, then congratulations to Boeing are very much in order! And, as well, Lufthansa appears to have made a sterling choice that will assure it a prominent place in the hearts of travelers the world over.

In combination with orders already on the books for its new freighter version, the 747 appears destined to continue its unique legacy at the forefront of commercial aviation for decades yet to come. As a Boeing stockholder, I couldn't be more proud.
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