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Jawed
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Direct Honolulu-Minneapolis Flight By NWA

Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:27 am

I was surprised to find a direct HNL-MSP flight by Northwest Airlines. What is the history of this flight? When did it start, and what machines has it been serviced by? Currently I believe it is A330, but may have been DC-10 in the past.

Are there any other longer direct HNL flights from east of Chicago? I couldn't find a direct JFK flight.
 
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RE: Direct Honolulu-Minneapolis Flight By NWA

Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:30 am

Don't they do an MSP-LAX-HNL direct both ways? I thought they did an MSP-SEA-HNL direct, too. All with 753's, I think.

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RE: Direct Honolulu-Minneapolis Flight By NWA

Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:37 am

Do you mean "direct" or "non-stop"?
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RE: Direct Honolulu-Minneapolis Flight By NWA

Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:39 am

Day nonstop westbound and long red eye eastbound. Flights 98 and 99. DC-10, 3,971 miles. Several one stops in the offering, too.
 
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RE: Direct Honolulu-Minneapolis Flight By NWA

Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:40 am

There is a MSP-LAX-HNL direct (91 I believe), and a MSP-SEA-OGG direct on 753s.

The non-stop (different vernacular from 'direct'), that is 99/98, operating on a D13 until 1/7/07...at which time it becomes an A333.
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timz
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RE: Direct Honolulu-Minneapolis Flight By NWA

Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:42 am

MSP-HNL nonstop has existed off and on for ... maybe 20 years? NW has been known to show DTW-HNL nonstop in their timetables too.

DL does ATL-HNL and CVG-HNL nonstop, and CO does EWR-HNL. Then there's ORD-HNL and maybe a couple flights to OGG.
 
Jawed
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RE: Direct Honolulu-Minneapolis Flight By NWA

Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:50 am

I meant non-stop, ie no connections between HNL and MSP.

I'm also surprised DC-10 is still serving this flight. I thought NWA was getting rid of DC-10?
 
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RE: Direct Honolulu-Minneapolis Flight By NWA

Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:54 am

I'm surprised how much cheaper MSP-OGG is compared to MSP-HNL...considering that you fly the same MSP-HNL leg en route to OGG.

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RE: Direct Honolulu-Minneapolis Flight By NWA

Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:57 am

I believe when the A330 takes over on the MSP-HNL route, the flight number will change to 809/808.
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RyanAFAMSP
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RE: Direct Honolulu-Minneapolis Flight By NWA

Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:01 am

The non-stops were certainly post-deregulation (Western flew HNL with LAX through flights during regulation). They were operated with 747-100s in the late 1980s (I flew 747-151 N601US on the non-stop in February 1990), and it had downsized to DC-10-30s after the Swissair planes came in 1992. MSP has always kept this trip, where it has been on and off for the DTW hub. It has survived as far as I understand because it is needed to keep the A330-300s deployed on the Japan beach destinations routing back to the European routes (as there are no A330-300 West Coast-Tokyo non-stops).
 
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RE: Direct Honolulu-Minneapolis Flight By NWA

Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:10 am

Quoting Kjet12 (Reply 8):
I believe when the A330 takes over on the MSP-HNL route, the flight number will change to 809/808.

Not according to the NW website. Still shows NW98/99 for dates after January 7/07.
 
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RE: Direct Honolulu-Minneapolis Flight By NWA

Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:20 am

The MSP-HNL non stop has been around a few years but as mostly seasonal.
It has been a 747-200 and a DC 10-40 and 30 over the years.
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RE: Direct Honolulu-Minneapolis Flight By NWA

Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:05 pm

not sure why you would be surprised by this, this route has been around for years and up until the next month or so has been served by the D10 and 747 at times. As far as I know the route has been daily year round for the past few years.
 
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RE: Direct Honolulu-Minneapolis Flight By NWA

Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:10 pm

I remember radio ads on WCCO-AM in Minneapolis: "Northwest Orient. The only airline to offer non-stop 747 service from the Twin Cities to Honolulu."

That was in the 1970's.

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RE: Direct Honolulu-Minneapolis Flight By NWA

Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:14 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10):
Not according to the NW website. Still shows NW98/99 for dates after January 7/07.

The flight number does change to 808/809 but, not until Thursday, February 15.
 
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RE: Direct Honolulu-Minneapolis Flight By NWA

Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:23 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 13):
I remember radio ads on WCCO-AM in Minneapolis: "Northwest Orient. The only airline to offer non-stop 747 service from the Twin Cities to Honolulu."

That was in the 1970's.

I think that as recently as the mid 90's there were still 747's on the route.

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 12):
not sure why you would be surprised by this, this route has been around for years

Exactly. There are flights from almost every state side hub to HNL. There is even a DL flight from SLC. To me that would be much more surprising than MSP.

I have enjoyed the MSP-HNL flight on D10's over the years and will greatly miss them!
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RE: Direct Honolulu-Minneapolis Flight By NWA

Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:24 pm

MSP-HNL originally started out seasonal, then went year-round in the mid-90's. It started out 747-100, then became 747-200 peak/DC-10-40 off-peak, and then finally DC-10-30 once the -40's were retired at the end of 2002.

DTW-HNL operated occasionally during winter/spring break high season as a DC-10-30 for a few years starting in 2000 or so. Last time in operated was Christmas/New Years 2004.

Switches to an A330-300 on 1/8/07, when the last DC-10-30 is retired from scheduled service. The flight numbers change in March to 808/809.

ORD, MSP, EWR, ATL, & CVG all currently have nonstops to Hawaii.
 
timz
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RE: Direct Honolulu-Minneapolis Flight By NWA

Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:05 am

I couldn't find any NW MSP-HNL nonstops before 1985, but it seems Western had a weekly nonstop in the early 1970s.
 
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RE: Direct Honolulu-Minneapolis Flight By NWA

Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:27 am

The nonstops were seasonal from December to March/April for many years using the 747-100 and 200 as mentioned. It only went year round daily when SFO-HNL on the DC10 was dropped I think back in 2001. It has operated twice daily at times during the peak seasons as well. SFO-HNL returned with the 753 in recent years. Another tidbit is SEA-HNL operated as a 747 for many years and occasionaly had a DC10 running a second flight (the summer MSP-FRA was operating). It then became 1 daily DC10 and then sadly one daily 753 only to be supplemented recently with another 753.



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