NW 757 Getting Tossed In The Wind Like A Kite

airportopz · Fri Dec 15, 2006 5:36 am

I know that the narration is annoying, but I had to share because this would definately wake me up. Some of you try to act hard core when it comes to not being afraid during flying situations. Many of you act like any irregular operation is "no big deal". But I bet you'd grab you arm rest if the wind tossed you around like it does this aircraft. Enjoy. Go here for the link... NW 757 landing at SEA...

http://www.weather.com/multimedia/vi...oll26&from=vid_brws2&tab=3&nav=141

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UAL777UK · Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:52 am

Yikes...that looked scary!

af773atmsp · Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:19 am

I would not like to be on that plane at that moment.

EWRCabincrew · Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:21 am

Quoting Airportopz (Thread starter):
Some of you try to act hard core when it comes to not being afraid during flying situations. Many of you act like any irregular operation is "no big deal".

When you have been in the industry a while and weathered (pardon the pun) many irregular operations, it does become "no big deal". If this is your first time, then it is a "big deal". Everything is relative to the person involved.

I am not hard core, but it takes A LOT to phase me, honestly, that landing would not have. It would, however, be something to talk about.

Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing. Ask any pilot.

My

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bbobbo · Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:31 am

Someone already posted a link to that video (same clip, different news broadcast) here:

Aborted Landing Video

The two other links in that thread are more hairy than this one, in my opinion.

captainsimon · Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:35 am

I was on a UK internal flight from Stansted to Blackpool and we had a very strong runway crosswind at BLK, the pilot aborted for a go around.

Landed OK on second approach.

jcf5002 · Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:36 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 3):
I am not hard core, but it takes A LOT to phase me, honestly, that landing would not have.

Alright tough guy... I don't care who you are, that was definitely something to be concerned about... From the looks of it, as he's climbing away, the right gear is jiggling, seeming that it touched down. Regardless, that pilot earned his full pay that flight!

Jeff

AlitaliaMD11 · Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:41 am

I experienced a landing like this at SCQ back in August 2004 in an Air Europa 737-800. Extremely high winds, low clouds, and heavy rain was more or less the cause. The 737-800 came right to the end of the runway but we were blown all over the place on approach and on touchdown right down till the end of the runway.

We even made it to the news as well! Wink

EWRCabincrew · Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:44 am

Quoting Jcf5002 (Reply 6):
Alright tough guy... I don't care who you are, that was definitely something to be concerned about...

Sometimes you have to take a persons background in to account when dealing with situations. I have been a flight attendant for as long as you have been alive (Damn!, I am 42. Am I old that old, already?). I have had more than my share of rough landings. You get used to it. Really. Was it a wild ride, yes. Concerned, no. But again:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 3):
Everything is relative to the person involved.

Quoting Jcf5002 (Reply 6):
Regardless, that pilot earned his full pay that flight!

The pilot did a phenomonal job. Just as would be expected.

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zmatt1 · Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:49 am

Impressive power up by the 757. weightlifter

Great plane in a tight spot.

Zmatt

AirframeAS · Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:50 am

As Peter Boyle would say: HOLY CRAP!

Sounds like fun to me.... Silly

trojanAE · Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:52 am

That must be REALLY scary for the passengers. I'm far from an expert but shouldn't the pilot have initiated a go-around earlier rather than waiting till the wheels were bouncing all over the runway?

1rocco · Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:00 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 8):
Sometimes you have to take a persons background in to account when dealing with situations. I have been a flight attendant for as long as you have been alive. I have had more than my share of rough landings. You get used to it. Really. Was it a wild ride, yes. Concerned, no. But again:

I dont care how long you have been a flight attendant. A landing like that IS something to be concerned about. If it was bad enough that the pilot coudn't safely land the plane and had to go around it was probably something YOU should have been concerned about. I hope you were doing your silent review. It amazes me how some f/a's become so complacent. Scared, maybe not. Concerned, you should have been. Just my .02

EWRCabincrew · Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:05 am

Quoting 1rocco (Reply 12):
I hope you were doing your silent review. It amazes me how some f/a's become so complacent.

Thank you for your concern. I always do my 30 second review (what CO calls it). 100% of the time, every take off, every landing. Always expect and plan for the unexpected.

I stand by what I have said. Smile

ABQopsHP · Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:09 am

Like some of the statements above, the crew did a good job. Ive had some wild flights and landings myself. Not trying to act jaded, but Im sure I would have grabbed the armrest on that one myself. However when you're in a jumpseat the perspective is a bit different than when your a pax. But yes it definately gives you something to talk about when the trip is over.

Queso · Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:57 am

Quoting Zmatt1 (Reply 9):
Impressive power up by the 757. Great plane in a tight spot.

That's what I was going to say. Gotta love the 757 in a situation like that. When the pilot says "JUMP!", it doesn't stop to ask how high!

legacytravel · Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:57 am

I have to go check my shorts after that landing. splat

Those pilots earned their check with that landing. It appears that they were close to losing that plane? I could be wrong but my guess is they would have lost the machine if they did not power back up and go around.
Mark in MKE

crownvic · Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:20 pm

Is it me or does the video appear to be sped up????

JAAlbert · Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:28 pm

Quoting Airportopz (Thread starter):
Some of you try to act hard core when it comes to not being afraid during flying situations. Many of you act like any irregular operation is "no big deal". But I bet you'd grab you arm rest if the wind tossed you around like it does this aircraft.

Oh please, save the school marm lecture!

Quoting Queso (Reply 15):
Gotta love the 757 in a situation like that. When the pilot says "JUMP!", it doesn't stop to ask how high!

one of the best things about the 757, its rocket power!

SJC-Alien · Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:06 pm

KOMO-TV had this view.....

http://www.komotv.com/home/video/4911216.html

filejw · Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:24 pm

Not that big of a deal.If you don't like the way things look just go-around. In a 757(and I've flown that A/C) its even easier than most.

jetboy757 · Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:03 pm

I flew into Seattle that very morning from Anchorage at about 6:10 am. The captain had informed us that there was windshear, but he did not specify low level windshear. As we were about 600 feet from touchdown, the plane dropped, everyone started screaming. I thought I was going to die. The pilot continued the approach while the plane was rocking back and forth. I remember thinking gosh, he can't possibly land right now as we were about 100 feet from touchdown. He finally landed and the whole cabin started clapping. Our turbulence was way worse than that 757, we were in a 737-800.

AirframeAS · Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:06 pm

Quoting Jetboy757 (Reply 24):

I would have LOVED to be on your flight, man! Silly

kiwiandrew · Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:14 pm

I guess none of you have flown in or out of WLG - that film clip wouldn't have made the news there - in fact I don't think any of the WLG locals would have bothered with a second glance at that approach - just routine ops Big grin

gunsontheroof · Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:19 pm

Yeah...the wind kind of sucks here right now. Incidently, it also prevented me from taking off from DEN in FS9 when it caused my power to go out for a brief moment!

WMUPilot · Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:20 pm

You guys keep getting hit with those those horrible Pacific storms. Those pilots sure are earning their wings the past week!

CO7e7 · Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:46 pm

Quoting Jcf5002 (Reply 6):
that pilot earned his full pay that flight!

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 8):
The pilot did a phenomonal job.

I bet you the pilots were sweating bullets! Great job though!

airplaneboy · Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:49 pm

I worked a flight into SEA Monday afternoon and it was a ROUGH one. The captain mentioned that landing conditions were borderline, and that we were close to going around. I thought we were going to go around as I was getting jolted around in the back pretty good. We encountered some moderate turbulence on departure Tuesday morning. It seems like flying conditions in SEA haven't improved much.

Fly safe!

Stjuard · Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:43 pm

Well, there is a video of TAP A321, much more dramatic than this. This NW landing although bumpy is not really scary.

BoeingOnFinal · Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:50 pm

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 29):
I bet you the pilots were sweating bullets! Great job though!

Yeah, and it's a good thing that the pilots have some "fear" in them. Makes them sharpen up and do a good job, instead of having a "I don't care" attitude :p

cumulus · Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:42 pm

This video been tossed about before here, but always a good watch. These boys did a good job with a heavy crosswind, and that's some "kick" with the rudder on touchdown!

cumulus · Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:54 pm

And of course this one!

airtran717 · Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:42 pm

Quoting TrojanAE (Reply 11):
That must be REALLY scary for the passengers. I'm far from an expert but shouldn't the pilot have initiated a go-around earlier rather than waiting till the wheels were bouncing all over the runway?

I was a flight attendant right up until a year ago. But I too, have had my share of rough landings. As far as the go-around... looks like to me that the nasty stuff was not until the last couple of hundred feet. Hard to know just what you can expect until you get to that point. You can get reports all day long, but the wind can, and does change. It's just hard to say. I think he did a great job and even the second approach was dicy. Full throttle power ups are not a big deal... the curiosity is there until he can get back in the pattern and talk to the cabin. From the inside that is all you see and hear, but you have one of two reasons for an abort that close... wind like in this case, or a previous landing has not left the runway quick enough. It happens a lot more than you hear about.

717

EWRCabincrew · Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:44 pm

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 26):
that film clip wouldn't have made the news there - in fact I don't think any of the WLG locals would have bothered with a second glance at that approach - just routine

Especially the vid of that last one. Damn near, if not scraped, the tail.

pilotdude09 · Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:03 am

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 26):
I guess none of you have flown in or out of WLG - that film clip wouldn't have made the news there - in fact I don't think any of the WLG locals would have bothered with a second glance at that approach - just routine ops

So true, ive seen some great footage from a fellow spotter of Saabs and Beech 1900d's getting thrashed around as well as the 737 in and out of Wellington, its incredible what the pilots get used to.

Corsair1107 · Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:15 am

i bet there were some queasy folks getting off that flight...

dc1030guy · Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:22 am

Quoting Cumulus (Reply 30):
This video been tossed about before here, but always a good watch. These boys did a good job with a heavy crosswind, and that's some "kick" with the rudder on touchdown!

What are you talking about??? That was anything but a good landing! First off, the approach wasn't stabilized. Second, it looks like they never put any cross-control in to counter the wind ... hence, they never stopped the drift when they touched down.

I'm sorry, in my opinion, as a pilot, this was a very unsafe approach and landing.

supa7E7 · Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:50 am

Quoting Jetboy757 (Reply 21):
As we were about 600 feet from touchdown, the plane dropped, everyone started screaming. I thought I was going to die.

That sounds so scary. Even the most battle tested FA might lose their cool at 600ft.... very bad.

Worst turbulence i have experienced (somewhere over Delaware at FL110 on a stormy, bumpy night) the A319 plunged maybe 150 feet... Pilots were announcing, then boom, this turbulence, screams in back, and the pilots weren't heard from for 20 minutes... they were busy flying... Smile

Every FA probably has a scary story. This was just a routine challenge for a good FA or deck crew.

EWRCabincrew · Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:55 am

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 37):
Quoting Jetboy757 (Reply 21):
As we were about 600 feet from touchdown, the plane dropped, everyone started screaming. I thought I was going to die.

That sounds so scary. Even the most battle tested FA might lose their cool at 600ft.... very bad.

The person in question is not a FA, though for him, his flight was scary nonetheless. Maybe overreacted, but scary, still.

jcf5002 · Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:03 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 8):
Sometimes you have to take a persons background in to account when dealing with situations. I have been a flight attendant for as long as you have been alive

Sorry to get people jumping on you about "I don't care how long you've been a flight attendent" and all. I was not reffering to you when I said "I fon'y care who you are..." I just meant that in an all-encompassing sense.

Wind shear is nothing to fool around with, which is what seems to have struck that 757. I once landed a Cessna 172 in higher-than-approved x-winds a la 28kts gusting to 36 and that was one of the scariest experiences in my short flying career thus-far, but I didn't realize it until after the fact.

As far as the crew is concerned, (besides a little seat-pucker) they probably weren't too concerned until after they landed because they had a job to do and were focused on getting that job DONE. EWR... I'm glad you have a good sense of trust in your pilots, thats absolutely necessary and a big help to them. I know I'd have a problem with giving my life into someone's hands EVERY DAY. Hence why I am a pilot, usually I'll have some control over my destiny.

Cheers!

-Jeff

super80 · Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:08 am

Did old HKG - Kai Tak have something like these ? I think I watched some videos like those above before ??? Am I correct ?

EWRCabincrew · Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:17 am

Quoting Jcf5002 (Reply 39):
Sorry to get people jumping on you about "I don't care how long you've been a flight attendent" and all. I was not reffering to you when I said "I fon'y care who you are..." I just meant that in an all-encompassing sense.

I am good with that. You post something here people need to say something about, you are fair game. My posts included. No need to apologise at all. No offence taken, here. Smile

I thoroughly understand your point. Well taken, too.

Quoting Jcf5002 (Reply 39):
Wind shear is nothing to fool around with, which is what seems to have struck that 757

I am not a pilot, but would still agree with you 100%. Pilots have a lot to contend with when variables start to stack up.

Quoting Jcf5002 (Reply 39):
EWR... I'm glad you have a good sense of trust in your pilots, thats absolutely necessary and a big help to them. I know I'd have a problem with giving my life into someone's hands EVERY DAY

It is a sense of trust that crosses back and forth between cockpit and cabin crews. Until I sit in the pilots seats, I have no choice but to trust them to make the best judgement. It is an essential part of crew resources.

Thank you for your feedback, Jeff, I do appreciate it.

Cheers,

Bill

tockeyhockey · Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:07 am

my father is a vietnam veteran and was a naval aviator. he always said to me when i was a kid and we were in bad turbulence "look kid, it could be worse. they could be shooting missiles at us".

that always calmed me down.

707lvr · Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:40 am

Last night the SEA tower controller mentioned that it looked like only 757's were getting down. Everybody else was going around, some several times. One guy said, the last time, "We're going, and we're not coming back!"

PH-TVH · Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:51 am

Every landing you can walk away from is a good landing.
Every landing wich lets you use the plane again is a great landing.

ZRHnerd · Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:07 am

Amazingly, this vidoe even made it into German Television primetime news. Good job by the crew, exactly what they were trained for.

threepoint · Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:18 am

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 23):
I guess none of you have flown in or out of WLG

WLG's legendary (in NZ) winds are a little-known phenomenon elsewhere. Somewhere on the web lurks a video (taken from a vantage point on a hill abeam the runway) of all manner of planes large and small struggling to land there during high winds. Each does a good job.

Quoting Dc1030guy (Reply 36):
What are you talking about??? That was anything but a good landing! First off, the approach wasn't stabilized. Second, it looks like they never put any cross-control in to counter the wind ... hence, they never stopped the drift when they touched down.

Oh dear - here we go - another armchair critic. What you didn't see from your chair in front of your computer is everything that occurred prior to that approach into LGA. I wasn't there either, but I bet the pilots were considering other traffic, ATC instructions in congested airspace, the departing flight off the same runway (hence the wide arced approach) and any other combination of factors. Considering the obvious direct crosswind (watch the rubber tire smoke), they did a good job of landing damn close to centreline with the airplane tracking straight down the middle. Don't sling arrows until you try the same thing under the same conditions.

USADreamliner · Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:18 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 3):
When you have been in the industry a while and weathered (pardon the pun) many irregular operations, it does become "no big deal". If this is your first time, then it is a "big deal". Everything is relative to the person involved.

I am not hard core, but it takes A LOT to phase me, honestly, that landing would not have.

Oh, you are so butch EWR, would you protect me next time? lol

EWRCabincrew · Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:29 am

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 47):
Oh, you are so butch EWR, would you protect me next time? lol

Being 'no big deal' doesn't make me butch. Just expectant of the unexpected.

Big grin

BA787 · Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:47 am

Scary shit, would be quite funny to watch I suppoose

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