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Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:02 pm

Since the year 2006 is nearing its end I wanted to ask you what was the most surprising order or aviation related news for you this year ?
Mine was the announcement of Air Berlin to order a huge number of Boeing 737s since they still have plenty of A320s to be delivered.
Also the merger of DBA and AB caught me by surprise.
Another surprising order for me was the last order of TUI for 65 Boeing aircraft.
I was also surprised of LH ordering more A340-600s.
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:20 pm

Well for me the most surprising order would have to be Singapore Airlines for the following,

9x A388
19x A333
20 x A350X + 20 options.

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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:23 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 1):
Well for me the most surprising order would have to be Singapore Airlines for the following,

9x A388
19x A333
20 x A350X + 20 options.

I was surprised about their commitment to the A350 since they have ordered 787s before but I was not so much surprised about additional A380s.
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:26 pm

Frontier Airlines Holdings purchasing 10 Q400's for a new subsidiary, Lynx Aviation
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:27 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 2):

I was surprised about their commitment to the A350 since they have ordered 787s before but I was not so much surprised about additional A380s.

Actually I think that it was 19 A333 that took everyone by surprise.

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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:32 pm

For me it was FEDEX cancelling their A380Fs and ordering 777Fs.
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:42 pm

Mine was Lufthansa ordering the 747-8I!
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:49 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 4):
Actually I think that it was 19 A333 that took everyone by surprise.

IMO, what's interesting about SQ's deal to lease 19 A333s directly from Airbus is that it seems to be linked with compensation/penalties associated with the delayed A380 deliveries, rather than firming the order for the A350.

see: http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_U...any_info/press_release/NE_7206.jsp
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:52 pm

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 7):

IMO, what's interesting about SQ's deal to lease 19 A333s directly from Airbus is that it seems to be linked with compensation/penalties associated with the delayed A380 deliveries, rather than firming the order for the A350.

Why would that be the case when both the SQ CEO and Airbus have mentioned that they expect the A350X order to be firmed up within a month?

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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:16 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 8):
Why would that be the case when both the SQ CEO and Airbus have mentioned that they expect the A350X order to be firmed up within a month?

Merely because a firm order for A350 doesn't appear to be a condition precedent for going forward with the A333 leases, and that there isn't any mention of the A350 order in the press release I linked. Nothing in the form of dispositive evidence, just my interpretation of the available "tea leaves."
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:17 am

Quoting Columba (Thread starter):
Mine was the announcement of Air Berlin to order a huge number of Boeing 737s since they still have plenty of A320s to be delivered.

 checkmark ..that took me from out of nowhere...

Quoting WINGS (Reply 1):
20 x A350X + 20 options.

I agree....I wasn't expecting that so soon....it was a surprise to me...

Quoting Columba (Reply 2):
but I was not so much surprised about additional A380s.

Agree...

Quoting WINGS (Reply 4):

Actually I think that it was 19 A333 that took everyone by surprise.

Actually, given that SQ needed the additional lift due to the unfortunate A380 delays, the need for additional A330's didn't surprise me.

Quoting JAL (Reply 6):
Mine was Lufthansa ordering the 747-8I!

That was one which I was surprised also...but it does make sense given that they needed something in between the A380 and A346.

My biggest surprise of 2006 was the FX cancellation of the A380F and the subsequent purchase of the B777F...I would have thought the worst action FX would have taken would have been to get some late payment penalities from Airbus..not an outright cancellation.
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:33 am

Quoting Columba (Thread starter):
Since the year 2006 is nearing its end I wanted to ask you what was the most surprising order or aviation related news for you this year ?

Since you opened it up to aviation news, for me it has to be the entire A380 debacle:
  • Billions of euros wiped off the books.
  • Insider trading scandals.
  • EADS offices raided by police.
  • CEOs fired, hired, fired and hired again.
  • Customer relations severely strained.
  • The "one europe" fairy tale smashed.
  • Airbus's core competency found lacking.
  • Truth being kept hidden by exaggerations if not outright lies.
  • Recovery to take years if not decades.
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:50 am

My Top 5 "order" news bits:


1.

Quoting KingCavalier (Reply 3):
Frontier Airlines Holdings purchasing 10 Q400's for a new subsidiary, Lynx Aviation

To most of us Coloradoans, this was the biggest order-news of the year.


2.

Quoting JAL (Reply 6):
Mine was Lufthansa ordering the 747-8I!

This was my favorite news bit...alas, we will be flying the 747 for many more years.


3.

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 5):
For me it was FEDEX cancelling their A380Fs and ordering 777Fs.

This was the most earthshaking news...though, I believe FedEx will see how UPS does with the massive a/c, then after further studies, make a decision to "go or no-go" the A380 once more...


4. The Air Canada 787 order was BIG news.

5. Sidenote news: The PAL selection of 773ER was big for an ex-Boeing customer.
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:51 am

Quoting Revelation (Reply 11):
Since you opened it up to aviation news, for me it has to be the entire A380 debacle:

* Billions of euros wiped off the books.
* Insider trading scandals.
* EADS offices raided by police.
* CEOs fired, hired, fired and hired again.
* Customer relations severely strained.
* The "one europe" fairy tale smashed.
* Airbus's core competency found lacking.
* Truth being kept hidden by exaggerations if not outright lies.
* Recovery to take years if not decades.


You forgot:

* A380 meets every expectation
* Instead of cancelling airlines ordered or took options for extra planes.
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:54 am

Quoting DIA (Reply 12):


4. The Air Canada 787 order was BIG news.

That was in 2005.

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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:54 am

Quoting DIA (Reply 12):
4. The Air Canada 787 order was BIG news.

Sorry, but according to Wikipedia that happened April 25, 2005...
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:56 am

Quoting Revelation (Reply 15):
Sorry, but according to Wikipedia that happened April 25, 2005...

I live in the past more often than I should... Wink *sigh*

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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:59 am

I'll go ahead and replace my #4 with:

4. The Royal Jordanian order/interest in the 787.
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:04 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 9):

Merely because a firm order for A350 doesn't appear to be a condition precedent for going forward with the A333 leases, and that there isn't any mention of the A350 order in the press release I linked. Nothing in the form of dispositive evidence, just my interpretation of the available "tea leaves."

Well according to the following article, it suggests the opposite. Both Mr Leahy and Mr Chew seem to be quiet confident in reaching a deal within a month.

I would expect this order to be firmed up at the industrial launch of the A350X.

Singapore Airlines (SIA) has delivered an early Christmas present to Airbus, firming up a follow-on order with the troubled manufacturer for nine additional A380s as well as a lease agreement for 19 A330-300s. Its regional subsidiary SilkAir has ordered up to 20 A320s and SIA says it also expects to firm up a proposed deal for up to 40 A350s within a month.

Airbus chief operating officer customers John Leahy, who was also at the signing ceremony, says that "we expect to sign it [the firm A350 order with SIA] within the next month".

SIA chief executive Chew Choon Seng confirms that he expects the deal to be signed within a month for delivery from 2013 following the recent launch of the A350 programme by Airbus, adding: "The agreement on the A350s is being worked on right now. Certainly we intend to proceed with the 20 [firm orders] plus 20 [options]."


http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...+leasing+19+A330s+and+placing.html

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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:04 am

Quoting BR076 (Reply 13):
You forgot:

* A380 meets every expectation

Not even close to correct. It surely didn't meet SQ's "First to fly in 2006" expectation. It still hasn't met parity with 747s wake vortex, which was an important goal. Give it up BR, it's impossible to polish a turd! 2006 was a disaster for the A380, hopefully 2007 will be better.

Quoting BR076 (Reply 13):
* Instead of cancelling airlines ordered or took options for extra planes.

Actually they did both.
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:12 am

1) LH opts for the 748, which combines to 67 total 747 orders for the year!
2) AB going for additional 737!!!

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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:16 am

Quoting KingCavalier (Reply 3):
Frontier Airlines Holdings purchasing 10 Q400's for a new subsidiary, Lynx Aviation

 checkmark   checkmark   checkmark   checkmark 

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 5):
For me it was FEDEX cancelling their A380Fs and ordering 777Fs.

 checkmark   checkmark   checkmark   checkmark 

I would add TAM's order of 777's.
 
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:24 am

LH 748's was the most surprising to me. I was pretty confident they'd follow SQ and QF and convert their A388 options to orders and add A346s.

SQ's A333 lease was not surprising in that it was driven by both the A388's delay and SQ's own mistake in not taking 77Ws earlier in order to wait to showcase the new Business Class product on the A388 and their mistake in delaying in ordering the 787 which pushed deliveries past the time they planned to get rid of their 744s and 772s that the A388, 77W and 787 were tasked to replace.
 
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:26 am

Quoting JAL (Reply 6):
Mine was Lufthansa ordering the 747-8I!

Here, here!  praise 
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My hope is that after Luftansa starts flying these beautiful birds, word will spread and we'll see many other 744 operators eventually replace their existing fleets with 748i's, especially BA. I can't wait to see the 748i in BA colors!

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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:34 am

Quoting 777DadandJr (Reply 23):
I want so bad to see this plane succeed.

I think you can sleep well at this point. I believe CX, BA, QF, EK among others will order this a/c soon enough.
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:51 am

Quoting DIA (Reply 24):
I think you can sleep well at this point. I believe CX, BA, QF, EK among others will order this a/c soon enough.

I consider CX and BA to be very strong possibilities, but why would EK order 748i's with 43 A380s, plenty of 777s, and soon another 100 or so A350/787s already on order??????
 
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:56 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 18):

My intent wasn't to suggest that SQ's LOI to order the A350 wasn't going to be confirmed eventually. I meant that firming the order for the A350 didn't appear to be a condition precedent for concluding the A330 lease deal, since the lease was concluded before a firm order for the A350 has been made. Therefore, IMO, based on the pendancy of the A350 order, and the language of the SQ press release, the favorable deal for leasing the A350s seems to be more directly linked to compensation/penalties for the A380 delays rather than premised upon ordering the A350.
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:02 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 25):
but why would EK order 748i's with 43 A380s, plenty of 777s, and soon another 100 or so A350/787s already on order??????

The "Gap" for lack of a better word. EK has already stated a renewed interest in the 748i, and has already ordered the 748F. So in my estimation, they are a very likely candidate in this arena. The A380 delays may have added fuel to this fire as well.

I don't see the A350s/787s factoring in this equation. the 748i would be on routes where the A380 is just a bit too much, but the 773ER is too little...or the A380 too heavy (or unsupported by airport facilities), therefore requiring a 747 to meet max demand.
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:04 am

I think how BA sold BACON soo quickly after just starting it up to FLYBE!! I mean it hadnt operated for more than a year and then they sell if off whithout giving it time to see if it would be profitable!!
seems like they just wanted to get rid of there domestic services and some of there european flights from smaller UK airports!
 
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:23 am

Quoting Columba (Reply 2):
I was surprised about their commitment to the A350 since they have ordered 787s before but I was not so much surprised about additional A380s.

SQ took their LoI for the A350 in July, nearly 90 days before they ordered the B787 on 10 Oct 2006.

Quoting EI321 (Reply 25):
why would EK order 748i's with 43 A380s, plenty of 777s, and soon another 100 or so A350/787s already on order??????

Expansion. BTW, EK have neither the A350 nor the B787 already on order.

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 26):
My intent wasn't to suggest that SQ's LOI to order the A350 wasn't going to be confirmed eventually. I meant that firming the order for the A350 didn't appear to be a condition precedent for concluding the A330 lease deal, since the lease was concluded before a firm order for the A350 has been made.

Yes, you were clear, as well as correct. Whether or not the A330 deal was linked to the WhaleJet deal is speculative. That they were signed together is strong evidence, but it isn't proof. We know absolutely that the A330 wasn't linked to an A350 deal, because the A330 deal was signed without an A350 order. That's proof positive.
 
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:26 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 30):
Expansion. BTW, EK have neither the A350 nor the B787 already on order.


I did say 'soon' though, ie they will soon order them.
 
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:30 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 31):
I did say 'soon' though, ie they will soon order them.

Sorry, I missed that. Anyway, my guess is that EK will order the B747-8I SuperJumbo before ordering any A350s or B787s.
 
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:04 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 30):
Quoting Columba (Reply 2):
I was surprised about their commitment to the A350 since they have ordered 787s before but I was not so much surprised about additional A380s.

SQ took their LoI for the A350 in July, nearly 90 days before they ordered the B787 on 10 Oct 2006.

Hi Zvezda

Well that's not completely correct. On the 14th of June SQ announced it's intention to acquire the B787-900. The following month on the 21st of July SQ announced it's LOI for the A350X.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/news/2006/q2/060614b_nr.html

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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:17 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 33):
Well that's not completely correct. On the 14th of June SQ announced it's intention to acquire the B787-900. The following month on the 21st of July SQ announced it's LOI for the A350X.

Hi Wings,

That doesn't in any way contradict what I wrote. There is a huge difference between a LoI and an order. A LoI is like deciding to study at university. An order is like having the diploma in hand.
 
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:18 am

TAM ordering 777-300ERs
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:36 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 34):

Hi Wings,

That doesn't in any way contradict what I wrote. There is a huge difference between a LoI and an order. A LoI is like deciding to study at university. An order is like having the diploma in hand.

You are correct that an LOI is in no way or form the same as an firm order. The fact still remains that SQ placed it's LOI for the B789 one month prior to it's LOI for the A350X.

Singapore Airlines Orders 20 Boeing 787-9s
14 June 2006


Singapore Airlines has signed a Letter of Intent to purchase 20 Boeing 787-9s, with purchase rights for another 20 of the same aircraft.

At current manufacturer catalogue prices, the value of the 20 firm aircraft is US$ 4.52 billion.

Deliveries will be scheduled between early 2011 and mid 2013, and will be for fleet renewal as well as to cater for growth.


http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_U...any_info/press_release/NE_2606.jsp

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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:42 am

Quoting DIA (Reply 12):
5. Sidenote news: The PAL selection of 773ER was big for an ex-Boeing customer.

That would have been really big for them had they finalized it into a firm order. Well, there is still time before Dec 31 for it to qualify.
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:00 am

Not very significant to world aviation, but most surprising for me was Excel Airways pulling out of Humberside after their first operating season had gone so well and 2007 flights had been put on sale
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:32 am

The most surprising news?

Airbus pulling the plug on the A350 Version 4 and replacing it with a whole new design.
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:53 am

I'd say the biggest surprise was Skybus order for 65 A319s at the end of October. I'm calling it a vapor order from paper airline.
 
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:09 am

How soon we forget.

QF going all the way with the 787 with up to 115 aircraft including options/purchase rights, and not ordering any 777's or splitting the order with A350's as was widely suspected it would do.
 
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:12 am

Quoting Aussie747 (Reply 41):
How soon we forget.

QF going all the way with the 787 with up to 115 aircraft including options/purchase rights, and not ordering any 777's or splitting the order with A350's as was widely suspected it would do.

According to Wikipedia, that happened December 13, 2005...
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:15 am

One of the biggest surprises for me was the order for 4 Boeing 777-300ERs by TAM of Brasil! Never saw that one coming!
 
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:58 am

#1 has to be US going after DL. Who saw that coming on the heels of the HP merger.
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:26 am

for me it's LH and the 747i
 
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:34 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 35):
TAM ordering 777-300ERs

Agree 100%, an all-Airbus customer with firm orders on A350, bought the 77W and will use the M11 during some time!

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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:35 am

Quoting SJUSXM (Reply 44):
#1 has to be US going after DL. Who saw that coming on the heels of the HP merger.

 checkmark   checkmark   checkmark   checkmark 

to go one further......

Even though we all know it needs to happen, just all the merger talk after the proposed merher between US/DL. With the CO/UA talks and FL/Midwest.
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:46 am

For me, it was how bad things got for Airbus. Here's to a better 2007.
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:01 am

The most suprising news for me was definately the 10 month additional A380 delay recently announced.

As for order, for me it was FX's 777F order combined with the A380 cancellation.
 
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RE: Most Surprising Order/news In 2006?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:47 am

Good lord, NO contest:

FedEx cancelled their A388Fs and bought 777Fs.... the next 5 days of that were insanity here. haha

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