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TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:35 am

Figured I'd share this NYT article with you, dated June 21, 1989. If only? Some model companies (Schabak in particular) actually produced models, I've got one, a -300 version.

COMPANY NEWS; Engines to T.W.A. From Rolls-Royce
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LEAD: Rolls-Royce P.L.C. announced that Trans World Airlines Inc. had chosen its most powerful long-haul engine to power recently ordered Airbus A330 airliners in a deal worth more than $620 million. T.W.A. has agreed to buy 20 of the A330 aircraft and has an option to buy 20 more, making it the largest

Rolls-Royce P.L.C. announced that Trans World Airlines Inc. had chosen its most powerful long-haul engine to power recently ordered Airbus A330 airliners in a deal worth more than $620 million. T.W.A. has agreed to buy 20 of the A330 aircraft and has an option to buy 20 more, making it the largest A330 order to date, worth up to $4 billion.

T.W.A. is scheduled to take delivery of the planes in late 1994. The contract between T.W.A. and Airbus Industrie, the European consortium, was signed today. The aircraft-engine combination is likely to be used on longer A330 flights over the Atlantic, Rolls-Royce said.
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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:41 am

Can you scan and post?


Great historical reference though!
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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:03 am

Just imagine what a TWA A330 would look like flying the Parkway visual into JFK.

Does anyone have a rendering of the A330 in TWA colors?

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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:18 am

I remember reading it at the time. Got all excited. Never happened...  Sad
 
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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:37 am

I remembered when it happened-and knew at the time (as most did) that these orders were about as solid as the Primarus 787 orders
 
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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:56 am

TWA paint on a A330. That would be cool. I think that is a cool looking plane and I thought the last TWA scheme was the best. Too bad things never worked out.

On another TWA never was note. In one of the scenes in Burt Lancaster's office in "Airport" there is model of a TWA SST. That would be a cool model to have.
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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:12 am

Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):
Some model companies (Schabak in particular) actually produced models, I've got one, a -300 version.

I have that one also, along with a Continental A-340.

It would have been great to see both of those become a reality.
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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:46 pm

I have the A330 TWA in schabak too, but it was the Old colors  Smile
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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:50 pm

I should show you my early 90's books on aviation fleets, that is a sight to behold. It show EK with 12 airplanes only, the NW WB orders, Cargolux with only 8 747s, etc.
 
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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:56 pm

I have great photorealistic renderings of both the TWA A330 and the DC-10. Obviously, both are in the old color scheme, because the new one would not be introduced until 1996, whereas the Airbus order dates back to 1989, and the marketing of the DC-10 to the seventies. Some day, when I have more time on my hands (and a decent scanner), I'll put them online.

The A330 pic was issued by Rolls Royce, the DC-10 pic by McDonnell Douglas. Back in the seventies, when TWA was in the market for a mid-sized widebody, MDD created the pic as part of of a marketing effort, to pitch the DC-10 against the L-1011 - to no avail, as we all know. Nonetheless, the pic looks great.

Btw, the TWA SST exists as a model - in the twin globe c/s.

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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:25 pm

Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 9):

I would love to see those photos once you have to time to put them up.
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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:28 pm

Quoting Jeremy (Reply 6):
I have that one also, along with a Continental A-340.

Hey, me 2, I've got both of them as well! And when I visited the AA Flight Academy, I was in Chief Pilot Cecil Ewell's office, and he had a model of an A340 in AA colors! I was like, whoa! This was about 10 years ago.

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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:29 pm

Couldent find an A330 but I found an A340


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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:41 pm

R. E. G. Davies' book about TWA, TWA - an Airline and its Aircraft, has great illustrations by Mike Machat of the Concorde and Boeing SST in the "double globe" scheme, and a Caravelle in the 707 delivery scheme, with the red arrow cheat line, but with plain TWA (no globe) on the rudder.
 
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Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:14 am



An MSFS A330-200 in TWA colors... Best thing I found...
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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:44 am

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 7):
I have the A330 TWA in schabak too, but it was the Old colors

same here, seem to be quite a few of us  Wink
 
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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:52 am

I remember when I was a kid seeing a news clip in the UK about TWA having ordered A330s. I was only about 9 or 10 but I've always remembered it - especially as I never heard any other reference to it since, until this post.
 
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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:33 am

Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):
Some model companies (Schabak in particular) actually produced models, I've got one, a -300 version.

Schabak tends to make many models right after an order is placed rather than waiting until delivery. I have an NWA 330 from the first order back in the 90's. There are quite a few others that I have seen that never came to be
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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:05 am

One of my former professors was also TWA's Chief Pilot for the 767. When the A330 deal was announced, he was the first TW pilot to be sent to France to receive training. He was checked out in it and rearing to go when Icahn pulled the plug on the deal. Oh what could have been...

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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:46 am

Quoting Jeremy (Reply 6):
I have that one also, along with a Continental A-340.

Continental did have solid orders for the A340, however when Gordon Bethune (former Boeing man) took over the company, he nixed those and opted to wait for the triple 7.
 
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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:54 am

TWA A330 in red cheat-line livery, anyone?

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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:20 am

Wow. That would have been great - a TWA A330. I wonder if TWA had actually acquired them, then would it still be around today?

Fuel for thought,

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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:35 am

At the time the A330 was by no means a runaway success, and RR were desperate for customers to stay in the big fan business! I bet TWA got a good price from both  Wink
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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:45 am

TWA still had 20 A330's on order, along with 50 A318's according to Airliners Magazine in the Sept/Oct 1999 issue. It states a delivery date on May of 2003 for the first of the A330's. Obviously, AA cancelled orders for both aircraft as well as the remaining 717's..
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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:49 am

Quoting SparkingWave (Reply 21):
Wow. That would have been great - a TWA A330. I wonder if TWA had actually acquired them, then would it still be around today?

I think that the A330 would have caused more problems for TWA. Those early A330s don't exactly have the best range, Aer Lingus can get theirs from Dublin to Chicago but thats about the furthest. Considering that in 1989 TWA had a much larger transatlantic network too with many cities probably just out of A330 range (Athens, Tel Aviv).

Personally I would have thought the 767-300 would have made more sense for TWA (actually didn't they end up getting some in the nineties) since they already had 767-200s
 
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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:53 am

Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):
dated June 21, 1989

I didn't even know the A330 was ready for orders that long ago. Airlines still make a big deal when they put one in service today (NW & BR come to mind).
 
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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:51 am

Quoting JuniorSpotter (Reply 20):
TWA A330 in red cheat-line livery, anyone?

Looks like one of their L-1011's sans number 2 engine, plus winglets.
 
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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:41 am

I seem to remember that TWA was pretty serious about an A320 order as well.....Anyone else?
 
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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:41 am

Quoting JuniorSpotter (Reply 20):
TWA A330 in red cheat-line livery, anyone?

You have to love the classic colors of a great airline!

I however would have loved to have seen a TWA or a PanAM 772 or 773 or even a 787 that would been great!

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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:41 am

I thought they had converted the A330 order that had been deferred indefinitely to A318s at some point.
 
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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:58 am

The A330 order was changed to the 50 confirmed A318 and 100 A320 family options order when Compton came on as CEO. TWA and Frontier were to be the launch customers of the A318 while TWA and AirTran were launch customers for the 717.
 
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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:24 am

TWA kept on deferring the orders due to its bankruptcies. By 1988 they had overtaken Pan Am across the Atlantic as the largest carrier and were looking for aircraft to replace the 747s and L-1011s. I do remember reading that TWA was unhappy that the A330-300 could not make it to ATH, TLV and even would have issues with FCO.

As for the routes this plane wast to fly, I think JFK, ORD and BOS to LHR, JFK and BOS to CDG, JFK to FCO and MXP, JFK-MAD and JFK-FRA were probably the ones they had in mind. Below is the original article about the order.


T.W.A. Announces An Airbus Order By The Associated Press

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LEAD: As expected, Trans World Airlines Inc. said it planned to modernize its fleet by buying up to 40 jetliners from Airbus Industrie, the four-nation European consortium, for more than $3.6 billion. T.W.A.'s chairman, Carl C. Icahn, said the airline would place firm orders for 20 A330 twin-engine planes and take options on an additional 20 of the wide-body aircraft.

As expected, Trans World Airlines Inc. said it planned to modernize its fleet by buying up to 40 jetliners from Airbus Industrie, the four-nation European consortium, for more than $3.6 billion. T.W.A.'s chairman, Carl C. Icahn, said the airline would place firm orders for 20 A330 twin-engine planes and take options on an additional 20 of the wide-body aircraft.

Airbus, which is backed by Britain, France, West Germany and Spain, will begin delivering the jets in late 1994 or early 1995, depending on engine selection. T.W.A. intends to operate the A330 on its important North American and trans-Atlantic routes. The plane has a range of 4,600 miles and can carry about 330 passengers.

[Edited 2007-01-10 01:25:37]
 
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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:25 am

Quoting DETA737 (Reply 31):
TWA kept on deferring the orders due to its bankruptcies. By 1988 they had overtaken Pan Am across the Atlantic as the largest carrier and were looking for aircraft to replace the 747s and L-1011s.

I wonder if Juan Trippe rolled over in his grave when that happened?

I'm also guessing that Howard Hughes got out of his grave and took a wizz on Juan Trippe's grave  duck 

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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:50 pm

TWA A330-200 in the company colours from 2001.

 
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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:00 am

The sole reason for the 330 order was to show that Icahn was indeed serious about running an airline. It was all for show.

We knew at the time that those planes would never hit the property.TC
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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:23 am

Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 24):
Those early A330s don't exactly have the best range, Aer Lingus can get theirs from Dublin to Chicago but thats about the furthest.

Aer Lingus fly them non-stop from DUB-LAX and return. I've been on board, and it's a daily service, so I don't know what you're on about...
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RE: TWA A330? How Times Have Changed!

Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:40 am

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 35):
Aer Lingus fly them non-stop from DUB-LAX and return. I've been on board, and it's a daily service, so I don't know what you're on about...

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