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Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

Hi!

I've been arguing with a guy who I work with about the A345. I'm saying that the A345 is the abbreviation of A340-500 and that both are the same exact plane. He's saying that the A345 and the A340-500 aren't the same plane at all. He thinks that the only owner of the A345 is SIA. He knows that Air Canada's got A340-500 but he told me it wasn't the same plane. I'll show him this thread after a couple of answers.

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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

 Quoting Aircanada333 (Thread starter):I'm saying that the A345 is the abbreviation of A340-500

Yes it is A343 = A340-300, A345 = A345-500, A346 = A340-600
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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

Thanks but everyone please I need more just to prove him
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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

It's very common short-hand to say A345 rather than A340-500. In the sense that they "aren't the same plane at all," I believe your friend is mistaken. SQ and AC might have slightly different models of A340-500 (MTOW, optional equipment, etc) but they are both A340-500 (or A345 if you prefer).

I know many others use a simmilar notation with Boeing models:
737-300 = 733
737-700 = 73G (a tricky one )
747-400 = 744
777-200ER = 772ER
777-300ER = 773ER = 77W (I hate* 77W, but it's still used)

I've also seen the A340-500 and A340-600 collectively referred to as the A340NG, although I see this used less frequently than the notations above.

The 777-300ER and 777-200LR are collectively known as the 777LR, a designation that officially originates in-house from Boeing.

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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

I need as more replies as possible!
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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

 Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 3):777-300ER = 773ER = 77W (I hate* 77W, but it's still used)

You forgot:
777-200LR = 772LR = 77L
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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

I asked an SY flight attendant about the leased HV 737-800 we were on: "Are Transavia 738 interiors identical to Sun Country's?" She played stupid and said, "This is a 737." According to the safety cards, it was a 738.

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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

Just get your friend to have a look at this link on ACs web-site, where it says Airbus A340-500 (345)

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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

Actually your friend is right. They're not the same aircraft.

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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

 Quoting Manni (Reply 9):Actually your friend is right. They're not the same aircraft.

Your kidding right? Cuz if ur not after all the proof we brought, ur mentally hill.
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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

Wasn't that clear enough in my reply? You're absolutely right, the A345 and A340-500 are one and the same aircraft. Are you sure your workmate isn't having a go with you?

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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

 Quoting Manni (Reply 11):Wasn't that clear enough in my reply? You're absolutely right, the A345 and A340-500 are one and the same aircraft. Are you sure your workmate isn't having a go with you?

Ah sorry mate I tought you were talking to me saying that my friend was right and that I wasn't but you said the opposite.

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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

 Quoting Columba (Reply 1):Yes it is A343 = A340-300, A345 = A345-500, A346 = A340-600

Hey you wrote A345-500 instead of A340-500 can you correct it cuz that's kinda what he's thinking.

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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

 Quoting Aircanada333 (Thread starter):Hi! I've been arguing with a guy who I work with about the A345. I'm saying that the A345 is the abbreviation of A340-500 and that both are the same exact plane. He's saying that the A345 and the A340-500 aren't the same plane at all. He thinks that the only owner of the A345 is SIA. He knows that Air Canada's got A340-500 but he told me it wasn't the same plane. I'll show him this thread after a couple of answers.

Why bother arguing with someone so willfully ignorant in the first place?
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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

The guy isn't ignorant, he just didn't knew it.
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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

Look at his age, then you understand...

 Quoting Brons2 (Reply 14): Why bother arguing with someone so willfully ignorant in the first place?
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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

Manni, you are totally right, they're definitely not the same, the one has a blue tail with a golden sign on it and the other is white with a red maple leaf!

 Quoting Manni (Reply 9):Quoting Aircanada333 (Reply 4): I need as more replies as possible! Actually your friend is right. They're not the same aircraft. duck liar
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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

I'm a bit curious as to how this came about.

Most people wouldn't have a clue about what an A340 is. So your coworker obviously knows at least a little bit about airplanes. And I can understand if he knows "A340-500" but not "A345".

But to know the NICKNAME yet not the PROPER name.... It's like knowing "Whalejet" but not that it's an A380. How does that work?

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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

 Quoting KGAI (Reply 18): But to know the NICKNAME yet not the PROPER name.... It's like knowing "Whalejet" but not that it's an A380. How does that work?

How many typical people know that a Jumbo Jet is a 747?

People hear things, and then they relate that to whatever they know - this person probably knows SIA has an A345 because its been referred to as that, maybe in the same conversation about differences between aircraft types.

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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

on another note... why is it that A called the A320 derivatives A318/319/321, but the A340 derivatives A340-500/-600? I kinda liked the idea they followed with the 320-line....
300 310 319/20/21 332/3 343 AT4/7 143 B19 732/3/4/5/G/8/9 742/4 752/3 763/4 77E/W CR2/7/9 D95 E45/70 F50 F70 100 M11 M90

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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

Have a look here, it lists virtualy all aircraft:
http://www.airlinecodes.co.uk/

It just hasn't been updated recently so it misses:

777-300ER (77W)
777-200LR (77L)
737-900ER (what's this one?)
737-900 with winglets (what is this one?)

[Edited 2007-01-12 12:20:57]

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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

 Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 20):on another note... why is it that A called the A320 derivatives A318/319/321, but the A340 derivatives A340-500/-600? I kinda liked the idea they followed with the 320-line....

The 321-100/200 i dont know the real different between?
The 340-500/600 is a lot easier
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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

 Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 20):why is it that A called the A320 derivatives A318/319/321

It's kinda weird. But don't forget there are also A320-100 (the oldest ones) and A320-200. It's the same with the A321-100 and the A321-200. So I could imagine the A320-200 program was started before the A321 program was started.

A340-500 = A345; A340-600 = A346, A346HGW = A340-600HGW

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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

 Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 3):777-200ER = 772ER 777-300ER = 773ER

Wrong

777-200 = 777
777-200ER=772

and then
777-300=773
and you got it right with 777-300ER=77W
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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

 Quoting RootsAir (Reply 24):Wrong 777-200 = 777 777-200ER=772

Do you have any proof of your asserstions? Boeing always states either 777-200 or 777-200ER on their websites to clarify the distinctions between the two ...thus 772/772ER is correct.

Not to mention, the 777 could mean anything in the 777-series, from the 777-200A series to the 77W.....in fact, "777" represents an entire program...so I think you need to come up with some proof before you start making bold asserstions of people being "Wrong"...

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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

It's common knowledge for airnutters!

Airbus 330-200 = A332
Airbus 330-300 = A333
Airbus 340-200 = A342
Airbus 340-300 = A343
Airbus 340-500 = A345
Airbus 340-600 = A346

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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

 Quoting Manni (Reply 9):Actually your friend is right. They're not the same aircraft. duck liar

Yes they are the exact same things, only shorter to type, which is why i use them

731 = 737-100
732 = 737-200
733 = 737-300
734 = 737-734 etc etc. same goes for A340-500 and A345, a346 and a340-600 and so on....
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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

SIA operate the Airbus A340-500 Series aircraft. They have dubbed them "A345 Leaderships" and they operate with just a "Raffles" and "Executive Economy" cabins. The economy cabin seats seven abrest, rather than the 8 more common on airbus twin-aisle aircraft.

Air Canada operate the Airbus A340-500 series aircraft also. As far as I know the only differences between the two airlines is their chosen cabin configuration. AC operate them in a conventional 8 abrest configuration in Y. A passenger could be forgiven for thinking that there was little relationship between them, but they are the same airframe. However SIA would have a longer range due to the lower number of seats in the aircraft.

 Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 25):Not to mention, the 777 could mean anything in the 777-series, from the 777-200A series to the 77W.....in fact, "777" represents an entire program...so I think you need to come up with some proof before you start making bold asserstions of people being "Wrong"...

Sometimes, in airline timetables the use of "777" means that ANY member of the 777 family may operate the flight. HOWEVER where airlines only operate 777-200s "777" can mean non-ER versions and 772 denotes ER. (UA for example)

Usually airlines do not bother to differentiate between -200 and -200ERs, in timetables anyway. Sometimes you might see 77A representing a 777-200, or 77E denoting a 777-200ER. Similarly you could see 772 denoting a 777-200ER.
Airlines who operate 777-300s usually denote the non-ER as 773 and the ER as 77W.

Similarly the 737 is confusing, as some airlines use 737 to mean ANY of 737s, while other use 737 to actually denote the 737-700 specifically. 73G can also be used to specifically denote a 737-700 operated service.

Similarly the A320 Family has a few different ways to be expressed. 32X. or 32A are frequently used where EQV within the airbus family!

It all depends on how the airline loads its aircraft types into its computer systems. There is usually a guide to be found somewhere!

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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

 Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 28):Sometimes, in airline timetables the use of "777" means that ANY member of the 777 family may operate the flight. HOWEVER where airlines only operate 777-200s "777" can mean non-ER versions and 772 denotes ER. (UA for example)

Which doesn't refute my comments of pointing out to the poster that one should back up ones comments with proof before rudely stating "Wrong"...especially when the evidence shows otherwise..

Apropos..you are incorrect about United's TimeTable (United EasySchedule)...

United doesn't state "ER" (or non-ER) on their website..it only states "777".....

 Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 28):Usually airlines do not bother to differentiate between -200 and -200ERs, in timetables anyway. Sometimes you might see 77A representing a 777-200, or 77E denoting a 777-200ER. Similarly you could see 772 denoting a 777-200ER. Airlines who operate 777-300s usually denote the non-ER as 773 and the ER as

I know..that's why I didn't bother making any of those statements...

The point of my post was to refute the poster (reply #24)who stated "Wrong"....
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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

Dear Mr. Aircanada333´s friend: Believe him, the A345 is the same plane as A340-500.
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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

 Quoting RootsAir (Reply 24):Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 3): 777-200ER = 772ER 777-300ER = 773ER Wrong

Says who?

I assure you that I have been on these forums for many many times longer than you have, and I have seen the notation I mentioned more times than I can count.

 Quoting RootsAir (Reply 24):777-200 = 777 777-200ER=772

777 = any 777 family member
777LR = an official Boeing title to the 772LR and 773ER
777-200 = 772A
777-200ER = 772ER
777-200LR = 772LR = 77L
777-300 = 773A
777-300ER = 773ER = 77W
777F = 777F

You're notation makes little sense and I challenge you to find any strong consensus that I am wrong.

 Quoting LTU932 (Reply 5):You forgot: 777-200LR = 772LR = 77L

No, I didn't. There are over 30 Boeing models and I had absolutely NO intention of listing them all. I selectively chose a sampling of Boeing models and choses to omit others.

Please don't accuse me under false pretenses.
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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

 Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 31):777 = any 777 family member

So, I tend to refer to the 737-700/800/900 as the 73N, or 73NG. People at the very least understand it, but does it follow such "guidelines"?

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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

 Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 3):It's very common short-hand to say A345 rather than A340-500.

The reason for 3 character codes is that most booking systems have a 3 character field.

The reason you won't always see all the variants listed is that a booking agent doesn't always care if it's a 777-200 or a 777-200ER since the number of seats is presumably the same.
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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

Hey thanks to everyone I think my workmate will believe me now.

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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

 Quoting MidEx216 (Reply 32):So, I tend to refer to the 737-700/800/900 as the 73N, or 73NG. People at the very least understand it, but does it follow such "guidelines"?

Well, it's not the most logical notation I've seen. If your crowd knows what you're saying, it's not my place to say you are wrong.

My point is simply that the notation I used above is very commonly used, and I was not the one who invented it. RootsAir has no ground to say that I am wrong.I wouldn't use his notation simply because I find it illogical, but I still wouldn't go as far as to say he is wrong either.
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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

You are right. Stop talking to this guy. Too obnoxious!

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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

oh this is so petty

tell ya mate to get a life A340-500 (A345), A340-300 (A343), A330-200 (A332) A330-300 (A333),B747-200 (B742) B747-300 (B743) B747-400 (B744)
and so on.

get the idea now?

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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

Tell your buddy that SIA is the only operator of the B678

He is probably just messin' with you!

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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

If the A340-500 and the A345 are not the same, can you please ask your friend to show us a picture and specifications of the A345 plane.

How old is your friend, 5?

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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

 Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 26):It's common knowledge for airnutters! Airbus 330-200 = A332 Airbus 330-300 = A333 Airbus 340-200 = A342 Airbus 340-300 = A343 Airbus 340-500 = A345 Airbus 340-600 = A346

Why isn't there an A340-400 ?
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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

What did the 747 SP have?

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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

 Quoting BR076 (Reply 40):Why isn't there an A340-400 ?

It was originally planned, and would be a 'simple stretch' of the A340-300, using the same wing and engines. It never came to be, and the larger capacity model was later added in the form of the A340NG.

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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

Some aircraft flight tracking sites use the abbreviations as a easy way to put the aircraft's info down. Just go to some and check it out like the HKG-YYZ route and see if it is an A340-500 and just show it to him.
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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

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RE: Is The A340-500 The Same As The A345?

 Quoting Malmoaviation (Reply 41):What did the 747 SP have?

747SP code is 74L.

Note that carriers often choose to use a generic code (e.g. 737) for all models of the same basic type in schedules rather than showing the individual codes for specific models (e.g. 733, 735, 73G, 738 etc), especially if they operate several types and may interchange them according to demand, or assign different models to different days of the week. Using a generic code simplifies schedule displays by permitting a flight to appear on one line for the entire week rather than on several lines if the model type differed by day of the week but everything else was the same.

In some cases there is only a generic code although there be model variations.

Apart from the official codes, carriers sometimes use their own internal codes to identify specific variations of a certain aircraft type (e.g. with different interior configurations etc.), but as far as I know those unofficial codes will not appear in the major GDS systems which rely on schedule data distributed by the OAG, but they may appear in the carrier's own website etc. Sometimes such unofficial codes are only used for internal operational purposes.

As advised by someone earlier, the following is one of the better public sites for code info:

http://www.airlinecodes.co.uk/ (Aircraft Codes link at top left)

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