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RE: As Seen From The Tail Camera!

Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:07 am

A few years ago, a Boeing engineer who worked on the 737 told me the biggest danger these personal electronic devices pose is that if turbulence is hit, they might go flying and injure someone.
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RE: As Seen From The Tail Camera!

Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:39 am

Quoting A320ajm (Reply 15):
Can you imagine the panic if all the pax were watching a tail cam of their flight and something went wrong, like tyre burst or engine fire and they could see sparks or smoke!!

IIRC, AA179 had a nose camera, and many passengers were probably watching the video of the ground approaching them. I can only imagine just how horrific that scene must have been.

Also, iirc, that's the reason that nose-cams disappeared in America.
 
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RE: As Seen From The Tail Camera!

Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:42 am

Quoting Airplanenut (Reply 50):
A few years ago, a Boeing engineer who worked on the 737 told me the biggest danger these personal electronic devices pose is that if turbulence is hit, they might go flying and injure someone.

I don't doubt that for a single second, but at the end of the day, passengers are asked not to do it by those who have a responsibility to ensure the safety of the cabin and its occupants, and yet they persist. That is the only point I was trying to make.
 
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RE: As Seen From The Tail Camera!

Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:55 am

IIRC the announcement made, at least last time I flew which was FLL-IAH-SAT about a month ago, was that any device with an on/off switch, including those that transmit a signal, must be turned off when cabin doors close. Devices like ipods, laptops, personal dvd players (anything not transmitting a signal basically) can be turned back on once cruising altitude is reached. This was on CO.

Last time I read something about this mentioned that there are only a handful of devices, mostly older models, that transmit signals that actually interfere with flight ops but since there are so many different devices like cell phones, PDAs, etc out there and more models are released in what seems like a daily basis, testing each one would be impossible so airlines just make the sweeping statement to turn off all of them to avoid any possible interference.
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RE: As Seen From The Tail Camera!

Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:58 am

The 777-300 has ground manuvering cameras in the leading edges of the horizontal tail and one looking at the nose gear from under the fuselage. They are meant for keeping long planes on the taxiways more than pax entertainment. Most of the 777 cameras are only visible in the cockpit.
 
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RE: As Seen From The Tail Camera!

Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:26 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 16):
I recently flew on an Air France 777-300ER which I believe had a nose camera but it was really out of focus so it wasn't that great to watch.

Ugh... never seen any of those working...

The only live camera I ever had is onboard an LX A340 for take-off -front camera-. Cool indeed. Available then on-demand for the whole flight, both front and below, fantastic sea of clouds over the Atlantic. Useless that day for sure! It was off for the landing then.
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RE: As Seen From The Tail Camera!

Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:36 am

Quoting Jimbobjoe (Reply 33):
Quoting Gigneil (Reply 23):
People on board AA191 watched the ground approaching at a high velocity right before they died courtesy of a similar camera.

I don't believe AA has this feature on their DC-10s, or any of their aircraft for that matter. I'm sorry, but I don't think that is an accurate statement.

Quoting YHMYYZspotter (Reply 48):
Interesting that as soon as the gear is raised you can hear the cabin chime.

And there is another post going on right now about that same topic.

I found that interesting too. I happened to notice the chime occurred when the gear retraction sequence was initiated on the A340. Those in the other thread, while talking about the A320, said occurred when the gear is fully retracted. I wonder if this is a discrepancy on the other thread, or a design difference in the A340/330 vs. A320.

Quoting D L X (Reply 51):
IIRC, AA179 had a nose camera, and many passengers were probably watching the video of the ground approaching them. I can only imagine just how horrific that scene must have been.

I highly doubt this is true. I fly AA fairly frequently and have flown on every aircraft type in their current fleet. Even back in the days of the 727, DC-10, Fokker 100, etc., I have never been on an AA aircraft with an external camera. The only aircraft in AAs fleet which even feature personal IFE are the 777, and the 762 in premium cabins. I know for a fact no 757s or 762s feature these external cameras, and they would never show something like this on the general cabin IFE, as it might disturb some passengers. I am not trying to totally destroy your theory, I am just trying to bring to light truth, and prevent rumor. I am sorry, but I think it is highly unlikely that any passenger on any of the 9/11 attack aircraft were watching the disasters unfold on any external video equipment.

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RE: As Seen From The Tail Camera!

Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:07 pm

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 56):
I fly AA fairly frequently and have flown on every aircraft type in their current fleet. Even back in the days of the 727, DC-10, Fokker 100, etc., I have never been on an AA aircraft with an external camera.

I'm sorry, I got the flight number wrong. I'm talking about the 1979 crash in Chicago. I think it was AA191.
 
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RE: As Seen From The Tail Camera!

Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:11 pm

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 56):
I don't believe AA has this feature on their DC-10s, or any of their aircraft for that matter. I'm sorry, but I don't think that is an accurate statement.

Many (most?/all?) AA DC10's had a camera mounted behind glass at the back of the cockpit. This was shown on the big movie screens on the bulkheads. Mostly, you saw the two pilots (or was it just the captain's shoulder?), but there was a so-so view out the windscreen.

In 1985 I watched a night landing at DFW from the next to the last row of coach. Even though I had observed many landings from the cockpit jump-seat, I found it slightly disconcerting to do so from the back of the airplane.

On DC10 jump-seat flights I was cautioned not to hang my coat up in front of the camera.
 
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RE: As Seen From The Tail Camera!

Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:14 pm

Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 17):
"turn off all PERSONAL electronic..."

What if it's COMMUNAL electronics?


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RE: As Seen From The Tail Camera!

Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:16 pm

Quoting PennStation (Reply 58):
Many (most?/all?) AA DC10's had a camera mounted behind glass at the back of the cockpit. This was shown on the big movie screens on the bulkheads. Mostly, you saw the two pilots (or was it just the captain's shoulder?), but there was a so-so view out the windscreen.



Quoting D L X (Reply 57):

I'm sorry, I got the flight number wrong. I'm talking about the 1979 crash in Chicago. I think it was AA191.

My apologies then, fellas. I guess all of my DC-10 experience was post-camera deactivation. I flew on several of the old tri-holers, even got to visit the cockpit of one of the MD-11s. I just never remembered that. Thanks for the correction.
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RE: As Seen From The Tail Camera!

Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:32 pm

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 60):
My apologies then, fellas

Never a problem.
 
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RE: As Seen From The Tail Camera!

Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:50 pm

Flew on ANA 744 JFK-NRT in March 2005, had nose-cam activated for both takeoff and landing. It was great watching the lineup for landing at NRT while still over the Pacific.
 
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RE: As Seen From The Tail Camera!

Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:08 pm

Quoting LeonB1985 (Reply 5):
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 4):
..........and switch off all electronic equipment (during take off and landing) until the fasten seat belt signs are switched off / we have reached our final parking position..................

It seems these rules don't apply to a.net members!

And which seat do you think the anetter was sitting in?

It's mounted on the tail the and placed there by the manufacturer.
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RE: As Seen From The Tail Camera!

Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:22 pm

Thats HOTT! I loved the videos! To bad i could not mount myself to that tail for such a killer view!
 
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RE: As Seen From The Tail Camera!

Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:21 pm

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 63):
It's mounted on the tail the and placed there by the manufacturer.

What is? The handycam?

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