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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:43 am

CO Welcome i hope to come and remain and take some shots of B772
 
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:54 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 41):
Is Hawaii being downgraded to 757s this summer out of LAX?

They need that 764 to go to GUM or back to EWR.
I would think that MAD will get 777 service again. Both BRU and MAD preformed very well when they had 777 service.
 
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:57 am

OK but what time CO will arr and dep from ATH because DL & OA have the same time dep & arr from ATH & JFK i think one departure at 20:00 is missing from ATH to arr at JFK about 23:20 i think for EWR have to depart from ATH at 09:00 also CO have to make codeshare with A3 for Greek Domestic & Transit Connections with Romania,Bulgaria & Cyprus because this countries dont have direct access with JFK or EWR,next winter season will be a battle for NYC 3 airlines i think they will servive because as you now how many Greek's libes in NYC and in the outskirts.
 
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:38 am

I wish BOS had a direct to ATH....
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:46 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 14):
if no more rocket launcher attacks on US interests



Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 22):
The Embassy attack of last week probably isn't great news, either.

Stupid mis guided left wing students carried this attack out and it does not represent 99.9% of the Greek nation!! So I wouldnt be worried . Americans are still safer in Greece than they are in the USA!!!
 
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:49 am

Quoting B737900er (Reply 51):
Both BRU and MAD preformed very well when they had 777 service.

BRU never had CO 777s. They've had the DC10 starting in 1999 and went from there to the 752, 762 and 764.

Good to see the 777 for BRU. The EWR route from BRU will see a significant increase in number of seats offered with CO's upgrade and the new Jet flight coming from Mumbai and continuing to EWR.
 
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:53 am

This is great news for all frequent flyers between Athens and NYC. Lets do not forget that about 40% of the PAX including myself prefer to take the trip on British Airways via London or KLM via Amsterdam or with Lufthansa. The reason for that is the limited offering by Delta and Olympic ( both are flying at the same time in and out Athens.
The particular segment has potential and i do not think that are going to be capacity problems at the low season for three flights per day.
 
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:48 am

Quoting Junction (Reply 5):
With a 767-200ER. Must be too far for the 752.

I would think so... ATH is over 4800 miles.... A 752 (non-ER w/o winglets) at BEST is going to get you 2900 miles with a full compliment of fuel, people, and bags....



When I went to ATH in '00....great trip.... DL was flying 763's on the route non-stop from JFK....and that was into the OLD airport....
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:35 am

it is always nice to welcome a new carrier in ATH. Ladies and gentlemen get your cameras ready!

As for the embassy attack , Americans are safer in Ahens than anywhere in the US. At least our children , don't go to school with guns , if you get what i mean.
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:04 pm

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 26):
Will be Athens the only new european city for CO in 2007?

CO has been know to spread out the announcement over a weeks. So I would not be suprised if there is more to come.
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:44 pm

The 767 that will operate the EWR-ATH route is not coming from the EWR-BRU route. Brussels is served with a 767-400. ATH will be flown with a 762.

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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:35 pm

CO announces new EWR-ATH daily non-stop service

CO announced it will launch daily nonstop flights between EWR and Athens, Greece (ATH), effective June 7, (eastbound), subject to government approval.

“We look forward to offering travelers something none of our competitors can match - award-winning, year-round service from New York’s only hub airport to Greece, with quick and easy same-airline, same-terminal connections from cities throughout the Americas,” said Marketing Executive VP Jim Compton.

CO’s EWR-ATH flights will be operated with 174-seat Boeing 767-200ER. CO Flight 104 will depart EWR daily at 5:30 p.m., arriving at ATH at 10:20 a.m. the next day. The return CO flight 105 will depart ATH daily at 12:20 p.m., arriving at EWR at 4:30 p.m. the same day.
 
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:16 pm

Quoting OA412 (Reply 46):
By the way, do you have a linke to the DOT filing, as I'd be interested to read it. Thanks.

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/436050_web.pdf

Happy reading
 
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:18 pm

Any international operations are surely welcome. I hope there will be two or three more, but somehow think maybe added frequency may take up available units.

I find it a little odd that ATH is added when the market looks so seasonal, going to 3 weekly flights in the long off-peak season. I believe I read a post that said the market was heavily tourist oriented, which could mean low yield, fewer BF customers. Low yields and the 174 seat 762 don't seem to be a good match.

Regarding the 3 weekly off-peak frequencies, maybe CO will retrofit or do some heavy maintenance during the off-season and 3 frequencies could be done without use of an aircraft as aircraft from their 5 day/week markets could be used for ATH. Is there another possible use of the aircraft in the wither season, like added service to Brazil or EZE?

If the aircraft were available all year, I'd think CO would have chosen a more year around market
 
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:38 pm

Probably a far shot (for now, anyways) but the military is slowly building up on Guam this year and through next year. Perhaps that extra 777 will serve IAH-HNL-GUM on CO/CS 1 and 2?  crossfingers   optimist 
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:08 pm

Quoting Cafa (Reply 61):
CO’s EWR-ATH flights will be operated with 174-seat Boeing 767-200ER. CO Flight 104 will depart EWR daily at 5:30 p.m., arriving at ATH at 10:20 a.m. the next day. The return CO flight 105 will depart ATH daily at 12:20 p.m., arriving at EWR at 4:30 p.m. the same day.

Will Have the same arrival & departure time with OA & DL
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:51 pm

Quoting CuriousFlyer (Reply 47):
MRS, LYS, NCE? France could do with more competition!

Good point. I'd be surprised if they couldn't make a seasonal 752 work to either LYS or NCE. Not sure about MRS.
 
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:32 am

Keep in mind that this service is actually only daily from June-August (three months). The bulk of it will really only be 3 times a week from November all the way to March. Although its great to announce service it seems CO is taking a very conservative approach. Anyone recall what USAirways schedule looks like?


"The frequency of the service will be reduced to five flights weekly during September/October and April/May and to three flights weekly from November-March due to the traditional seasonal reduction in demand."
 
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:35 am

Quoting Cba (Reply 66):
Good point. I'd be surprised if they couldn't make a seasonal 752 work to either LYS or NCE. Not sure about MRS.

Add Bordeaux to this list as well.
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:10 am

Quoting Style (Reply 67):
Anyone recall what USAirways schedule looks like?

US758 PHL ATH 1600 0855+1
US759 ATH PHL 1125 1535
 
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:19 am

Quoting B737900er (Reply 51):
They need that 764 to go to GUM or back to EWR.

They don't need to send a 764 to LAX for any of that. A 752 (with less J) could work if they really need the 764 elsewhere, though there are cargo issues there.

CO fly IAH-HNL and EWR-HNL on a 764, and then GUM-HNL, HNL-NGO, HNL-SYD. Using the 764 on the HNL-LAX-HNL turn uses up 15 hours of block and turn time, and since there are no 764 mainline domestic LAX flights, it's not used for repositioning. You could do the same kind of turn EWR-EU-EWR (roughly) and get the same utilization out of a 764.

Anyone have a list of the current (winter) 764 routes? I can't think of all them, but think I got most of them:

EWR-BRU
EWR-FRA
EWR-HNL
EWR-GRU
EWR-MAD
IAH-AMS
IAH-HNL x2
LAX-HNL
HNL-NGO
HNL-GUM
HNL-SYD
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:43 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 70):
CO fly IAH-HNL and EWR-HNL on a 764, and then GUM-HNL, HNL-NGO, HNL-SYD

CO does NOT fly to SYD, though they do fly from GUM to CNS.
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:03 am

Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 71):
CO does NOT fly to SYD, though they do fly from GUM to CNS.

Sorry, I was thinking of HA's HNL-SYD 767 flight.
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:06 am

Quoting Junction (Reply 5):

Not to mention, an 11 hour flight on a 757 i imagine would be bruttle
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:31 am

Quoting COEWR2587 (Reply 73):
Not to mention, an 11 hour flight on a 757 i imagine would be bruttle

11 hours in coach is torture on most aircraft!
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:56 am

Quoting COEWR2587 (Reply 73):
Not to mention, an 11 hour flight on a 757 i imagine would be bruttle

We had 9:45 coming back from TXL yesterday. Non-stop for the record (and nay sayers).

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 70):
Anyone have a list of the current (winter) 764 routes? I can't think of all them, but think I got most of them:

2x daily GUM-NRT, as well.

Air Mike flies GUM-CNS on the 738, thrice weekly.
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:04 am

Quoting Cafa (Reply 61):
“We look forward to offering travelers something none of our competitors can match - award-winning, year-round service from New York’s only hub airport to Greece, with quick and easy same-airline, same-terminal connections from cities throughout the Americas,” said Marketing Executive VP Jim Compton.

Hmm, it seems to me that DL offers award-winning service year-round from a hub in New York (and it's actually in NY). CO's press releases are off the mark again.
 
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:13 am

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 76):
DL offers award-winning service

What award did DL win?
 
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:21 am

I cannot understand why IAH-EZE does not get upgraded to a 777. Twice in the last few months I have been unable to purchase a revenue BF ticket, and just yesterday I looked to purchase a revenue BF ticket with a return on Feb. 25, and BF is already sold out on February 25! Almost six weeks out! This route needs at least a 764 and could fill a 777 with revenue BF passengers regularly (lots of oil traffic between IAH and EZE).
 
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:22 am

Quoting St530 (Reply 78):
I cannot understand why IAH-EZE does not get upgraded to a 777. Twice in the last few months I have been unable to purchase a revenue BF ticket, and just yesterday I looked to purchase a revenue BF ticket with a return on Feb. 25, and BF is already sold out on February 25! Almost six weeks out! This route needs at least a 764 and could fill a 777 with revenue BF passengers regularly (lots of oil traffic between IAH and EZE).

probably is an equipment issue. You need two 772's to operate EZE.
 
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:29 am

I just assumed the IAH flight parks for the day and awaits the return the same night. I thought that's what they were doing with the current 772 that temporarily goes one day a week (departs IAH Thursday returns EZE Friday). Is that not correct?
 
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:33 am

Quoting St530 (Reply 80):
I just assumed the IAH flight parks for the day and awaits the return the same night. I thought that's what they were doing with the current 772 that temporarily goes one day a week (departs IAH Thursday returns EZE Friday). Is that not correct?

yes, the 772 sits in EZE for a day but one thing is to do it during the European winter but something completly different is to do during Nnrthern hemisphere summer.
 
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:37 am

Quoting St530 (Reply 80):
I just assumed the IAH flight parks for the day and awaits the return the same night. I thought that's what they were doing with the current 772 that temporarily goes one day a week (departs IAH Thursday returns EZE Friday). Is that not correct?

Yes, it mirrors our EWR-GRU flying. The aircraft stays the day till the evening departure north to the US.

The trip leaves on the evening of day 1, arrives day 2 (stays the day), leaves day 2 and arrives back in the US day 3 at o'dark thirty.

The aircraft is gone about 30+ some-odd hours from base.
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:43 am

IAH-EZE needs two aircraft, but one of the aircraft in that package is available in IAH from 0615 to 2100. Most likely, if upgraded, CO would place a 764 on the IAH-EZE route, but would require 764 IAH-EWR positioning flights. The 764 aircraft seem to get substantial maintenance time in HNL. If EZE is seasonal with the southern Summer being peak, then it would make sense for CO to flip-flop the 762/764 between European and EZE depennding on the time of year.

However, a 772 could be used and require only one aircraft, but it would need to swap out with the NRT aircraft and probably miss important maintenance.

Current 772 at IAH normal day
from NRT 1350 - 1045 to NRT next day (this aircraft can be used to swap out on below turns)
from LGW 1400 - 1600 to LGW
from CDG 1630 - 1840 to CDG
from LGW 1630 - 1855 to LGW
Note: if LGW and CDG aircraft are turned as shown, they would eventuallly need maintenance, probably at EWR the following day.

Potential IAH 772 operation using net of one 777 for IAH-EZE route
from EZE 0615 - 1045 to NRT
from NRT 1350 - 2100 to EZE (this aircraft can be used to swap out on below turns)
from LGW 1400 - 1600 to LGW
from CDG 1630 - 1840 to CDG
from LGW 1630 - 1855 to LGW

Note: if LGW and CDG aircraft are turned as shown, they would eventuallly need maintenance, probably at EWR the following day.

To make this work, 772 maintenance would be lessened and turn arounds tightened. If CO hired out a maintenance check at EZE (12:20 ground time in EZE), that might help.
 
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:53 am

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 76):
Hmm, it seems to me that DL offers award-winning service year-round from a hub in New York (and it's actually in NY). CO's press releases are off the mark again.

Where is this award winning service from DL? DL cannot match, not even close, the amount of awards CO has gotten in the past years.
 
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:58 am

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 76):
Hmm, it seems to me that DL offers award-winning service

BWHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAAHHAHHAHAH!!!!!!
award-winning huh. LOL
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:00 pm

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 76):
Hmm, it seems to me that DL offers award-winning service year-round from a hub in New York (and it's actually in NY).

So I guess everyone in NYC, Long Island, Westchester etc.. are Buffalo Bills fans. Because using that rationale NY only has one NFL franchise (Buffalo Bills) and New Jersey has two (Giants and Jets).

[Edited 2007-01-18 04:00:52]
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:43 pm

The fact that JFK is in New York versus New Jersey is absolutely worthless to people living in areas that are reasonably accessible to both airports (as tens of millions do in the tri-state area). The relative ease of transportation between New York and New Jersey in this region make this point completely unmarketable as well. Nobody in their right mind even takes that into consideration when planning travel.

It's not like New York and New Jersey are different countries, although they might as well be!
 
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Sun Jan 21, 2007 7:01 am

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 85):
BWHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAAHHAHHAHAH!!!!!!
award-winning huh. LOL

Since when is being a bankrupt airline still flying considered award-winning?
 
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Sun Jan 21, 2007 7:46 am

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 32):
The only expansion from IAH is a second AMS flight.

The second AMS from IAH is seasonal and has been a few year running now.
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:40 pm

Ever since Homeric Tours dropped their seasonal charter service, looks like the mainline legacies are starting to look at ATH a bit closer now. I mean, how much competition is DL and OA? CO/US could out perform them on this route hands down. IMHO of course...  angel 
 
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:58 pm

Quoting OA412 (Reply 43):
OA is a sinking ship and I see this new flight hurting them most of all.

OA will survive. I'm ready to purchase my ticket to Greece..... with OA!  yes 

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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:14 pm

Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 71):
CO does NOT fly to SYD, though they do fly from GUM to CNS.

Do we not still hold the authority to fly to SYD and AKL?
 
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:19 pm

I know that when I flew GRU-EWR in early October, it was a PACKED 767-200...any chance that could be changed to a 777, freeing up a 762 for some new European or African route?
 
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:23 pm

Quoting SW733 (Reply 93):
I know that when I flew GRU-EWR in early October, it was a PACKED 767-200...any chance that could be changed to a 777, freeing up a 762 for some new European or African route?

It would probably go to a 764 perhaps?

BTW...several coworkers and friends of mine, including myself and my fam are planning on taking this first flight to ATH in June...how much longer until gov't approval?
 
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Sat Jan 27, 2007 4:40 am

Looks like the DOT approved CO's application for EWR-ATH. Here's the link: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf100/445051_web.pdf
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Sat Jan 27, 2007 6:37 am

Quoting Style (Reply 84):
DL cannot match, not even close, the amount of awards CO has gotten in the past years.

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Well, it's about time the DOT did something resembling speed involving this route case.
 
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RE: CO Slates EWR-Athens

Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:05 am

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 96):
Well, it's about time the DOT did something resembling speed involving this route case.

You're kidding, right?

DOT granted the application in eight working days, which was short of the normal 15-day waiting period for answers, after CO certified there would be no answers.

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